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TheApostleSaulSmith

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They only look at numbers. They watched the games and know exactly what you're talking about, but they are in their miserable bubble and when they're in that bubble, they refuse to admit anything positive ever happened.

If they watched the games and didn't see how good Kam was getting before he broke his foot, you can't help them, they don't want to he helped. Let them be miserable.
Point me to one. What was your favorite Kam Williams game?
 

AllBall

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Dude..."finding his rhythm"? That's the month of January up until his injury. I don't get the narratives we try to spread on here. I don't think Kam is necessarily "bad"...but to say these six games make him not a question mark to be a VERY KEY piece on what needs to be a good team. How do those games make him NOT a question mark?

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It was one game. One. He has at least a half dozen games against REALLY FREAKING BAD teams...like KenPom 250+ bad teams...where he was horrible in his conference. That doesn't mean he will be horrible, but surely you can see where one damned game doesn't erase a question mark? For a dude that's supposed to be a starter and a leading scorer? I know if you're from SWMO you know hoops better than that.
Kam does nothing in the paint. He doesn't rebound and avoids contact. His game is predicated on floating around on the perimeter and playing marginal defense.
3 and D guy.
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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Yeah, these guys can't figure out wtf they want.

They want Pope fired, but then they get mad when he doesn't land every top player in the portal.

They obviously don't understand what happens if Pope has a great roster and he wins just enough games next year. Nobody is firing a coach that goes to 2 sweet 16's in 3 years.

These seesaw fans need to figure out what it is they actually want.

You said it correctly, if he doesn't get good players and fails to hit the standard next year, he's out. I don't see the issue. Just relax and let it play out.
Here's what you simpletons can't understand...most of us DGAF about Mark Pope. I want UK to be extremely successful. IDGAF who the coach is, as long as it could be that. It could be Clappy the Clown for all I care, as long as he gets the job done. The only "seesaw" fans I see are the ones that try to rationalize the BS this is currently going on because they have some freaking infatuation with Pope and this perceived legacy. They're also the same ones that fawn over Trent and Travis.

As I type this, I realize Clappy the Clown probably could do better. Sigh.
 

BassProCat

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They only look at numbers. They watched the games and know exactly what you're talking about, but they are in their miserable bubble and when they're in that bubble, they refuse to admit anything positive ever happened.

If they watched the games and didn't see how good Kam was getting before he broke his foot, you can't help them, they don't want to he helped. Let them be miserable.
100% right
 
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TheApostleSaulSmith

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It’s funny ppl think rhythm is all about scoring you tell the ppl that’s actually played or coached bball from the chair watchers
That's fine but with how limited the roster looks, Kam is gonna be like the 3rd or 4th best guy. He will need to score and score consistently.
Do you think he is up to that?
Or would he be better suited as a bench piece?
I mean seriously? Kam Williams? Good lord, people
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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Because Barkley was absolutely amazing and was undersized for his position. Not saying the kid IS good. I’m saying there is precedent for not writing him off.
Lol. I get what you're trying to say...but the precedent you are using is one of the 50 greatest basketball players the world has ever seen.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I can agree with this.

I didn’t like the hire from the beginning but bought in because that was the only choice.

One good thing, if we can call it that, is Pope doesn’t have near the runway Tubby did. Tubby winning the title year one extended his runway by a lot. (I should add that 3 of Tubby’s last five years (03-05) were his three best record wise but fell short in March. The last two were dreadful. Last year reminded me of his last two teams - some good wins, some blowout losses and it being obvious other top teams were way more talented.)

Assuming Pope fails and is replaced, I never want to hire an alum again unless that alum is a guaranteed Pat Riley in his prime type.

I also agree with you that I’d rather have a prick who wins than Ned Flanders with a whistle who is only OK. The AD hire needs to come from outside.
Couldn't agree more. Pope doesn't have the equity that OTSs title bought him. He also didn't have OTSs resume prior to getting the job, but I digress.

Agreed on the AD too. Part of me wonders if Andy getting in the middle of all of this is what has held up the hire in the first place. I know it makes the athletic department look like a crap show (it is), but I think maybe his intervention into all of this could be a good thing.
 
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Woodrow24

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I get why people aren’t happy and venting on the board at this point. Our recruiting has dipped significantly and we have rival schools killing it in the portal. I don’t understand why a few are getting so upset that some of you all are venting on a message board though? I probably have some of the people that go overboard on ignore though, sounds like a few may need to do the same.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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It’s funny ppl think rhythm is all about scoring you tell the ppl that’s actually played or coached bball from the chair watchers
I played at a pretty high level and have coached at a pretty decent HS level for quite some time. What you see as rhythm is the ebbs and flows of a Mark Pope coached team. His teams are wildly inconsistent. That's his consistency. You're choosing to believe Kam had a direct effect on that while choosing to ignore the numbers put in front of you (not just offense, btw). That's a you thing, not an everyone else thing.
 
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KyWideWes

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Kam is a 3&D guy…you expecting him to be the leading scorer then yeah you need lower expectations and he’s a question mark but you can’t deny that’s when the team actually started to look like a team right before he got injured ..it’s more to the game than just scoring.

What Wilkins did did vs UConn & Hurley in a big setting tells me he’s not scared of the big stage and tells me enough that he can produce against SEC comp considering Hurley more than likely had Wilkins as the #1 threat on scouting report. You can have him as a question mark but I really like Wilkins …6’5 and plays at his pace he will be more than ready to produce.
To me Hurley and Oats wanting him is the biggest reason for optimism on Wilkins.
 

BassProCat

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I played at a pretty high level and have coached at a pretty decent HS level for quite some time. What you see as rhythm is the ebbs and flows of a Mark Pope coached team. His teams are wildly inconsistent. That's his consistency. You're choosing to believe Kam had a direct effect on that while choosing to ignore the numbers put in front of you (not just offense, btw). That's a you thing, not an everyone else thing.
First of all that’s where Pope failed in season 2 is he didn’t recruit players to fit the zoom action…that was the starting failure right there. Kam fit that style of offense more so than the offense pope tried to install this past season

Also losing your PG1 before szn started didn’t help at all
 
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welaughatyou

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Dude..."finding his rhythm"? That's the month of January up until his injury. I don't get the narratives we try to spread on here. I don't think Kam is necessarily "bad"...but to say these six games make him not a question mark to be a VERY KEY piece on what needs to be a good team. How do those games make him NOT a question mark?

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It was one game. One. He has at least a half dozen games against REALLY FREAKING BAD teams...like KenPom 250+ bad teams...where he was horrible in his conference. That doesn't mean he will be horrible, but surely you can see where one damned game doesn't erase a question mark? For a dude that's supposed to be a starter and a leading scorer? I know if you're from SWMO you know hoops better than that.
Dude doesn't know hoops at all. He's the moron that posted that Donovan got fired by the Bulls when he clearly was not fired.
 

kyjeff1

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bc his recruiting failings are embarrassing the program on a national level right now. it's bigger than Pope.
Okay, do you want him fired, or not?

If you want him fired, then you should be elated when he "wiff's". Instead, everyone gets upset and pisses themselves.

Just let it play out.
 
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welaughatyou

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Cool. If that happens, we will likely will suck and Pope will be fired.

That’s why I’m not losing my mind on April 22. Outcome is fine either way.

If we’re bad, new coach. If we’re not, we’re not.

Is this where I am supposed to kick and scream and throw a tantrum over something I have no control over?
It's a message board. What else is there to talk about except what is going on in the off season? Things aren't going well so far, so obviously people are going to talk about it. This isn't rocket science. I know you like to act all high and mighty and self righteous like you're above it all. We get it. You whine every day how you're tired of the whining.
 
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KyWideWes

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He wasn’t rebounding, getting assists, blocks or defending against decent teams
He was pretty good on getting into passing lanes but his on ball defense was pretty bad. And the lack of ball handling really hurt our offensive movement. Wilkins is better than Chandler in that area which will help but KW has to improve his dribble to be anywhere near what people are claiming on here.
 
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kyjeff1

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Might wanna educate yourself on the latest signing and the two "players" visiting Friday.
No, you might want to realize that BCG was recruiting Zollo and Euton to be starters, Pope obviously isn't recruiting these guys to be starters. If he does, then you should be happy, because he will be fired.
 
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Tri-Countycat

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Pope knows he isn’t gonna win, Mitch knows he isn’t gonna win, the boosters know he isn’t gonna win, those assistants that left know he isn’t going to win, agents know it, elite players know it, the media knows it although Matt is the only person that has been negative at all. This season is a 5 million dollar cash grab for Pope and a transition year to get a new AD and likely a new president. I honestly don’t even know how much money the boosters are wanting to invest in this year. Everyone says throw a bag, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pope didn’t have much left after saving for Stokes.
 

kyjeff1

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Point me to one. What was your favorite Kam Williams game?
Tennessee and Texas. He got hurt in the Texas game, but he was a lot more assertive in both those games.
At his size and length, he was a matchup problem in both those games.
No, his numbers aren't great, but if you watched those games and didn't see a different Kam Williams, then I can't help you. He was starting to turn a corner.
 

welaughatyou

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Yeah aight bub…tells me you didn’t watch games
You don't know a damn thing about ball. You're the same stupid idiot that posted that Donovan was fired. And when you were called out on it by multiple posters, you still didn't correct it. "Finding rhythm" 😅. Sure, he's the next SGA. He was just hiding it. It's people like you that give us Kentucky fans a bad reputation. They point to people like you when they say how stupid our fans are, when you're definitely in the minority.
 
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BassProCat

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You don't know a damn thing about ball. You're the same stupid idiot that posted that Donovan was fired. And when. You were called out on it by multiple posters, you still didn't correct it. "Finding rhythm" 😅. Sure, he's the next SGA. He was just hiding it. It's people like you that give us Kentucky fans a bad reputation. They point to people like you when they say how stupid our fans are, when you're definitely in the minority.
You really are butt hurt over that Billy D post …grow a pair softy 😂😂
 

welaughatyou

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This needs to stop. Pope is nowhere near as bad as BCG.

I know you are freaking out and need to take out your frustrations by using hyperbolic statements, but both coaches coached 2 seasons, BCG's best season, ended as a 9 seed and he had patterson, Crawford and Bradly. He went to the NIT with Meeks and Patterson on the squad. He was also a drunk that was trying to get with a players girlfriend.

He was also recruiting Vinny freaking Zollo and Dakota Euton. So just stop.

Also, this whole idea that we are in worst shape than we have ever been, again, stop. Kentucky Shame is 10 times worse than a sweet 16 and a 2nd round loss on the NCAAT. If you were a UK fan during those dsys, you know what I'm talking about. Obviously, you weren't a fan back then.

Y'all need to grow up and act like this isn't your first time dealing with adversity.
BCG could actually recruit. Either way, it's between Pope or BCG on who is the worst coach in history. We know you're a Pope fan. You say you are aren't, but you literally defend him like he's a family member. Thank God pussies like yourself haven't been running the program for most of our history.
 

TheApostleSaulSmith

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You don't know a damn thing about ball. You're the same stupid idiot that posted that Donovan was fired. And when. You were called out on it by multiple posters, you still didn't correct it. "Finding rhythm" 😅. Sure, he's the next SGA. He was just hiding it. It's people like you that give us Kentucky fans a bad reputation. They point to people like you when they say how stupid our fans are, when you're definitely in the minority.
that's like the 3rd time you've brought up billy d. we get it
 

TheApostleSaulSmith

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BCG could actually recruit. Either way, it's between Pope or BCG on who is the worst coach in history. We know you're a Pope fan. You say you are aren't, but you literally defend him like he's a family member. Thank God pussies like yourself haven't been running the program for most of our history.
This.
Pope is one of the 2 worst coaches (not counting pre-Rupp) UK has ever had and it's not close. All the others were good to great. The Pope vs Gillispie argument is a close one but it's too early to say. Have to see how Pope's lame duck season plays out
 
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kyjeff1

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Here's what you simpletons can't understand...most of us DGAF about Mark Pope. I want UK to be extremely successful. IDGAF who the coach is, as long as it could be that. It could be Clappy the Clown for all I care, as long as he gets the job done. The only "seesaw" fans I see are the ones that try to rationalize the BS this is currently going on because they have some freaking infatuation with Pope and this perceived legacy. They're also the same ones that fawn over Trent and Travis.

As I type this, I realize Clappy the Clown probably could do better. Sigh.
OMG, this is such an out of touch post.

Nobody, not one single guy on here, is infatuated with Mark Pope. Where do you get this garbage from?

All we're doing, is letting it play out. This is just common sense and obviously, you're short on that.

Pope is getting a 3rd year and those of us with common sense, are just patiently watching everything that's happening. If he gets a bigtime recruit, we're ecstatic, if he misses, well, he's the guy feeling the pressure, not me. Win/win.

If Pope fails next year, I'll shrug my shoulders and wish him farewell, I don't care.

You guys are freaking out and losing your sh*t on here daily. Just relax and let it play out.

Pope has all the resources he needs, 3 years is plenty of time to get this right, he either does, or he doesn't.

No, I don't like seeing insults hurled at Pope, but that's as far as that goes.

I'll say this one more time: IF MARK POPE DOESN'T WIN AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS NEXT YEAR, I WILL PERSONALLY OFFER TO HELP HIM BOX HIS SH*T UP AND LOAD EVERYTHING INTO THE MAYFLOWER TRUCK.

I hope that helps clear things up for you. Nobody is infatuated with Mark Pope. The fact that you think that's true, tells me you are struggling with reading comprehension.
 

kyjeff1

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I played at a pretty high level and have coached at a pretty decent HS level for quite some time. What you see as rhythm is the ebbs and flows of a Mark Pope coached team. His teams are wildly inconsistent. That's his consistency. You're choosing to believe Kam had a direct effect on that while choosing to ignore the numbers put in front of you (not just offense, btw). That's a you thing, not an everyone else thing.
Where did you play? Where did you coach?
 

Lameguy

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Well I may be wrong but McBride may have played at Oklahoma State his Freshman year. He has power 5 experience. Probably would be a decent bench piece but I cringe at the thought of him starting.
He’s played at Oklahoma st, Nevada and James Madison. Looks like he’s improved every year. Considering UK’s situation, you better take him.
 

Cole World

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Tennessee and Texas. He got hurt in the Texas game, but he was a lot more assertive in both those games.
At his size and length, he was a matchup problem in both those games.
No, his numbers aren't great, but if you watched those games and didn't see a different Kam Williams, then I can't help you. He was starting to turn a corner.
In the 9 games he got to play over 20 mpg he averaged 12.6 ppg 🤷🏻‍♂️