Until Zinn gets it done we will continue to be the laughingstock in the B1G unfortunately.
No. 19 Men’s Lacrosse Played on BTN Saturday Night at No. 9 Maryland
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I was responding to Sir Scarlet and the fact that whether we play at SHI or our own lacrosse facility, the fans will show up when we win. Tonight's game was packed at Maryland.
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What a total and utter disaster. Even Caliknight can’t sugarcoat this one. They are a JHU miracle away from having zero wins in the B1G and no wins against quality teams. Brecht’s backyard is LOADED with private and public schools with top D1 talent. DBP, SHP, Delbarton, LVille, CBA, etc. Westfield, Summit, RFH, etc. These kids aren’t buying what RU is selling.
I was not there but on TV the side of the stadium that was shown was empty. I'm sure the other side was pretty full. From TV viewing perspective, game did not have a big time feel to it at all. Same with our stadium.
Now when we play at Yurcak like we did in the year of our final four run that was an amazing atmosphere. I'm not down on what the atmosphere could be like. I just have major reservations on Brecht...and have for a few years.
At Coachella so having more fun than that game was.. Saw the first half. Offense isn’t getting it done. That simple. Bieda needs time to get his recruits in. Not having a crease presence puts so much pressure on outside shooting which we don’t do well. I don’t know who that person is but we don’t pressure the inside and teams just pressure us without fear. We got two quick ones at Michigan that way then got away from it. Two man games are great but there has to movement on the backside.
Plus side is the defense even under constant duress, is sturdy. Just can’t win big games consistently with one side of the ball, as we have seen in football.
Hats off to Maryland. I follow them closely. That was the best game they’ve played all year. They are peaking at the right time.
Plus side is the defense even under constant duress, is sturdy. Just can’t win big games consistently with one side of the ball, as we have seen in football.
Hats off to Maryland. I follow them closely. That was the best game they’ve played all year. They are peaking at the right time.
I'm just a fan, no expert, and I do put my money where my mouth is. I donate often to the program several times a year, to MLAX and WLAX, and do the donations for wins and points. Not enough to have a building named after me but I do get the Alumni invite ever year - though only made like 2 of them.
But I am starting to lose trust in Brecht. One, it does seem like the talent is much less than it used to be. There was a time where it just wasn't 1 or 2 star players, the entire attack unit or defensive unit would be stars. Think back to 2018 when it was Henningburg, Mullins, Mazzone, Rose, and Coyne on attack. They were the top 5 in pts and would finish with 210 pts. This current unit of top 5 may finish with 140 points. In 2018, that defense had Jean-Felix, Rexrode, and Pless as well as Edelmann in goal.
Also, we're not getting the same bang for our buck with the transfers. Each year it seems like we get less and less help from the 1 year rentals.
IDK, we're just not showing any progression and the we can only make excuses for injuries so many times. Willing to give 2023 when Cameron went down right before conference play and 2024 but now? Hard to be well, 4 bad years due to injuries.
But I am starting to lose trust in Brecht. One, it does seem like the talent is much less than it used to be. There was a time where it just wasn't 1 or 2 star players, the entire attack unit or defensive unit would be stars. Think back to 2018 when it was Henningburg, Mullins, Mazzone, Rose, and Coyne on attack. They were the top 5 in pts and would finish with 210 pts. This current unit of top 5 may finish with 140 points. In 2018, that defense had Jean-Felix, Rexrode, and Pless as well as Edelmann in goal.
Also, we're not getting the same bang for our buck with the transfers. Each year it seems like we get less and less help from the 1 year rentals.
IDK, we're just not showing any progression and the we can only make excuses for injuries so many times. Willing to give 2023 when Cameron went down right before conference play and 2024 but now? Hard to be well, 4 bad years due to injuries.
Figured there’d be an excuse. Brecht is responsible for the roster. And this is four straight years at or near the bottom of the conference - program has gotten stale.
Only Big Ten program without a regular season or B1G tournament title since the league formed. The head coach has been here for all of it.
I want caliknight to tell us how many years in a row Brecht can be allowed to go without an ncaa bid or some kind of big ten trophy when the other five programs are accomplishing something. Is he just allowed to continue coaching here until the end of time because of 2022?
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It is time to move on from Brecht.
Let's stop with the excuses, they are delusional, he is simply not getting it done.
Let's stop with the excuses, they are delusional, he is simply not getting it done.
There is no appetite for that. The bigger focus is scholarships and NIL.
I don't make those decisions but the Final Four in 22 brings a lot of good will. We been there more recently than Hopkins, Ohio St., and Michigan, who has never been. A Final Four appearance is far more meaningful than the Big Ten Championship in the world of lacrosse.
Notice how he doesn’t address any of my questions. How about simply making the NCAAs?
Tourney appearances since the Big Ten formed in 2015:
Maryland: 10 appearances in 10 years
Hopkins: 8
State Penn: 6
Ohio State: 6
Michigan 2 (varsity program started in 2012)
Rutgers: 2 (only program with no Big Ten regular season or tourney title)
Stop the spin. The results are not there.
I appreciate Caliknight enthusiasm for the program but the numbers don’t lie. Look at RU schedule and they have one legit win which took a miracle at home. NJ is a hotbed of talent. Recruiting needs to pick up. And you can’t blame NIL because nobody is throwing around serious lax money (yet). UNC pulled off a great 2027 recruiting class with relatively ordinary numbers compared to other sports.
But how do those "ordinary numbers" compare to what Rutgers can spend? And given Villanova beat Penn St. I'd call that and Jacksonville legit wins.
One thing to add, it's no coincidence that the slides in a lot of the programs happened around the same time the person that was supposed to be making sure the programs had what they needed in support was too busy hanging out with his girlfriend. Lets see what some of these coaches that were excelling just a few short years ago can do with a professional athletic department. Just throwing that out there.
Like I posted in the rankings thread, technically we don't have any bad losses. There is just so much parity. Two more games and going to see how that goes.
Like I posted in the rankings thread, technically we don't have any bad losses. There is just so much parity. Two more games and going to see how that goes.
Jacksonville has zero quality wins and around .500 record but some close losses to ranked teams. Nova caught PSU in early February but is under .500. Hopkins is RUs only legit win.
RU Lax programs biggest problem right now may be the WBB team. Seems clear RU wants to rebuild WBB so any available money is probably headed in that direction. Also Wrestling spent big $$$ on Knox (seven figures) and looks like they picked up a solid HWT in the portal which likely didn’t come cheap. Not optimistic RU lax is viewed as a priority.
Address what questions exactly?
Yea, we don't have a B1G title. But we do have a Final Four. As I said, that's a far bigger prize. We've played for the B1G title twice, fyi.
If your standard is winning B1G titles, we would have about 1 coaching staff still in place.
I've never met you which tells me you don't donate. If you really care, put your money in the pot. If not, you're just another complainer who has zero juice anywhere but on a message board.
It's a tough world out there. Hopkins has incredible resources in the world of lacrosse. They went 0-6 in the B1G last year. Penn St.? Crazy NIL money. They lost to the Villanova team we beat.
The people here who don't understand the world of lacrosse like to complain, but the reality is it just shows how little they know. They difference between winning and losing at this level is extremely small. And from an investment/money perspective, we are getting far more bang for our buck with Brecht than a number of other staffs.
This, 100%. Guarantee this, after we hosted the playoff game against Harvard and broke attendance records, if Zinn had been AD back then, we'd have broken ground on a LAX only stadium that next year. And she would have made sure Brecht had the resources to continue that trajectory.
I hope she delivers for lax. Let her Actions speak louder than words because most of these AD-types are BS-artists and every single sport is currently begging her for $$$.
Let’s see how RU fares with the 2028 recruiting cycle. LeadingEdge and BBL are loaded with in state talent.
She's already been far more helpful to the program than the last guy. I'd be shocked if she isn't in the recruiting lounge with the alumni and isn't on the sidelines Friday night cheering the team with the alums.
No offense but I’d you followed women’s lacrosse the last few years you would have been calling for the head coach to be fired.
Coyne was quickly moved to Dmid but I get your point. All those guys were under recruited. Brecht knows talent when he sees it. Funny you bring up Mazzone. You put him on this team and our offense looks completely different. We need that guy and we don’t have him. His IQ and off ball ability was second to none.
As a Rutgers fan I was thoroughly impressed with the crowd. Stands were pretty full from bench to bench. Attendance was over 4,000. They had seating on both sides of stadium open. Game was a blowout and very disappointing so that impacted the dig time feel as it takes 2 to tango and we had no dance moves.
Our attendance for John Hopkins was 2,415.
I agree the final four year was awesome. I also went to game at Hofstra and Hartford for final four.
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Don't try to gaslight. My standard (which is not even that high) is not having the fewest NCAA appearances since the conference formed and an occasional regular season or tournament title.
How many more years are you going to cling to one great season that gets further and further in the rear view mirror?
Gaslight lol. You seem very passionate. Again, I don’t know you so that tells me you don’t donate. I suggest you do so Keli will listen to you. Other than that your opinion is message board fodder and means nothing.
But I’ll placate you. How much more NIL and scholarship money do we have?
I have no comment on the status/trajectory of RUMLAX, per se. I'm an outsider.
However, I think some of the comments above about what the athletic director could and/or should do to sustain and advance programs are on point.
As an example, and also a way for me to brag about recent accomplishments, Maryland baseball has fallen far down a cliff in a very short time, far surpassing anything RUMLAX has allegedly done when it comes to regressing. Three or four years ago they were winning B1G titles and even hosted a regional; now they are near last place. I've been told recently that the athletic department, which is under new management, is going to:
Who knows if these measures will be enough; they also lost their manager to Alabama, which was a big "hit". But the point is that apparently the new AD is trying everything he can for every sport, which I'm sure your Zinn will also be doing. Maybe the previous AD was "lax" about some important issues since 2022 that aren't so obvious to us message board fans.
By the way, as a disclaimer, I never have and have no plans to ever donate money to any college athletic programs. As much as I enjoy college sports, I elect to pitch in to causes which I think are more meaningful and important. I'm mentioning this to admit my own hypocrisy and also so nobody gets the wrong ideas about my attitudes...
FYI, both puns were accidental.
However, I think some of the comments above about what the athletic director could and/or should do to sustain and advance programs are on point.
As an example, and also a way for me to brag about recent accomplishments, Maryland baseball has fallen far down a cliff in a very short time, far surpassing anything RUMLAX has allegedly done when it comes to regressing. Three or four years ago they were winning B1G titles and even hosted a regional; now they are near last place. I've been told recently that the athletic department, which is under new management, is going to:
- (finally) increase the number of scholarships from 11.5. After restrictions were recently lifted, some B1G teams are funding up to 34 scholarships. In this day and age, why would talented high schoolers enroll at a school where they are paying tuition?
- push the outfield fences further out; apparently other schools are telling pitching recruits that they'll never succeed in that little bandbox of a stadium, which is likely true.
Who knows if these measures will be enough; they also lost their manager to Alabama, which was a big "hit". But the point is that apparently the new AD is trying everything he can for every sport, which I'm sure your Zinn will also be doing. Maybe the previous AD was "lax" about some important issues since 2022 that aren't so obvious to us message board fans.
By the way, as a disclaimer, I never have and have no plans to ever donate money to any college athletic programs. As much as I enjoy college sports, I elect to pitch in to causes which I think are more meaningful and important. I'm mentioning this to admit my own hypocrisy and also so nobody gets the wrong ideas about my attitudes...
FYI, both puns were accidental.
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This will the final time I address you here since all you can do is attack me and not address your buddy's. obvious shortcomings. Fewest NCAA bids of any Big Ten school since the conference formed. No Big Ten titles (regular season or tournament). And laughable that you think the coaches and players don't think success in the Big Ten is important.
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The coaches and players think every game is important. The question is about support from the next level or two above. And given the changes at those levels it's "to be determined" but off to a good start.
Talk about gaslighting. I said a Final Four is worth more than a Big Ten title. Never said anything about conference success not being important. And you’ll be back
again. You have no self control and no juice. Donate money and make the changes you want to see happen big shot. Otherwise keep crying on a meaningless message board. I’ll be sure to bump your takes when the team is winning again at which point your fragile ego will be rooting for them to lose.
FF year was great. They were very close to playing for the national championship outside of a extreme effort by the UNC kid who got the turnover. That one play may have taken away a national championship for our current coach. The recruiting implications were immense. Win a title, Long Island is open to RU, Chaminade and others. That tells me we are not far away. Granted, our conference is loaded. Maryland and Hopkins are royalty in the sport and perennial national title contenders. We have to compete against the best. With better support from the AD and better facilities, I like our chances with the current guys. Cali is my guy and I'd love to meet him at some point.
You are confusing years. The year we lost to UNC in OT was in the quarterfinals. We just missed the FF that year. It was the following year that we went to the FF. That team that lost to UNC was absolutely stacked, as were they. Even in a losing effort, I have to say that was one of the best lacrosse games I've ever witnesses. The amount of plays being made and level of athlete making them across the board was incredible. It was truly two heavy weights throwing haymaker after haymaker. Props to them for running with us. Most teams wouldn't.
That all lead to the next year. The team was a little more seasoned, and we had the same amount of pop. In most any other year, I really believe that team could have won a championship. Unfortunately that year also coincided with the greatest college lacrosse team I have ever seen. Maryland was just on another level. Their ball movement was pure wizardry. I've never seen it before and I haven't seen in since. I don't think we every will. We clearly would have obviously won the Big Ten title too.
Summer season for recruiting 2028s starts in less than 2 months and September 1st not far away. Let’s see where RU’s class ranks. That will say a lot about the coaching staff and Zinn’s efforts to help lax. The thing with lax is it doesn’t take much money UNC’s class loaded with 5*s did not break the bank. Regardless I’m convinced that available resources will be funneled to WBB until Redus is done shopping.
Staff absolutely loves the two classes we have coming in. The vultures are circling a number of them which is a great sign.
For those savvy enough to figure it out, 21 we go to the quarterfinals and the FF in 22. What changed in college sports after that? NIL and scholarship limits. We simply need more NIL and more scholarships to keep pace at peer level. We are behind. Keli knows the challenge and is working on it. Shollies have been upped but not where we need to be yet. You see it on the field. We had a rash of injuries which isn’t terrible uncommon in lacrosse. Problem is we don’t have the depth when it invariably gets tested. Friday we wil be down to our 5th defenseman, 5th attackman, and without a starting midfielder, without our number 1 fogo and back up pole. Some programs can just plug guys in and not miss a beat. But those are the programs they have 30 scholarships and NIL. It’s also who we play.
Keli sees it. She’s being very helpful. Agree. In the grand scheme you can get a lot of bang for your buck in lacrosse investment.
For those savvy enough to figure it out, 21 we go to the quarterfinals and the FF in 22. What changed in college sports after that? NIL and scholarship limits. We simply need more NIL and more scholarships to keep pace at peer level. We are behind. Keli knows the challenge and is working on it. Shollies have been upped but not where we need to be yet. You see it on the field. We had a rash of injuries which isn’t terrible uncommon in lacrosse. Problem is we don’t have the depth when it invariably gets tested. Friday we wil be down to our 5th defenseman, 5th attackman, and without a starting midfielder, without our number 1 fogo and back up pole. Some programs can just plug guys in and not miss a beat. But those are the programs they have 30 scholarships and NIL. It’s also who we play.
Keli sees it. She’s being very helpful. Agree. In the grand scheme you can get a lot of bang for your buck in lacrosse investment.
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"Keep crying on a meaningless message board" is so damn funny coming from this guy. He threw a temper tantrum a few months ago, quit the board, then came crawling back because he needs the attention of being a troll. HAHAHAH. Man, talk about thin skinned
Quit the board lol. I simply stopped being a paying member as I said I would.
In case you guys haven’t noticed I’m so in MCRs head he doesn’t know what to do. He follows me around this site with emojis like it’s his job. Dude needs serious help. Total loser.
In case you guys haven’t noticed I’m so in MCRs head he doesn’t know what to do. He follows me around this site with emojis like it’s his job. Dude needs serious help. Total loser.