The first part of your post seems like you are trolling but the questions for Tom are pretty good.
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Correct; I don’t. I also don’t know any of these politicians I mentioned (or people in any sort of power role) that do the same exact thing to throw a bone to the ones that keep their head above water.
Where did I mention bad wrestlers you epic MORAN??? Warner is a 4xAA and Finalist. He is in the top 1% of all DI wrestlers…
I think people’s hopes of the changes this hire would bring were drastically out of step with the reality
Curious if the same people that say this was the best choice are the same people that said dake and noth arent
We acknowledge the deficiencies, the people who call the shots don’t.
Glad you like JWar. I agree with your assessment of him
What do you think the deficiencies are? I'm not being a dick, just want your opinion. I woulda got it at Nats, but you ditched me again
What do you think the deficiencies are? I'm not being a dick, just want your opinion. I woulda got it at Nats, but you ditched me again
Perception, our guys are pissed off when they win, pissed off when they lose, our coaches do the twig snap and cuss at other coaches. Offense, we preach scoring, but we only look great against inferior opponents. Injuries, for whatever reasons, bad luck, training, etc... we have FAR more serious injuries than other top teams. Recruiting, we get a top guy now and then, but rarely enough at the same time.
The program is losing ground not only to PSU but Ok state and Nebraska. Are we a program that parents want their kids in?
Maybe once in a while with great kids, but not often enough. Our coaches talk about accountability, but seem to have very little self-reflection. The "we like our guys" line gets old.
Perception, our guys are pissed off when they win, pissed off when they lose, our coaches do the twig snap and cuss at other coaches. Offense, we preach scoring, but we only look great against inferior opponents. Injuries, for whatever reasons, bad luck, training, etc... we have FAR more serious injuries than other top teams. Recruiting, we get a top guy now and then, but rarely enough at the same time.
The program is losing ground not only to PSU but Ok state and Nebraska. Are we a program that parents want their kids in?
Maybe once in a while with great kids, but not often enough. Our coaches talk about accountability, but seem to have very little self-reflection. The "we like our guys" line gets old.
You really need to stay off the Dark Web
Thanks Willie
Yep we're all clueless. After an exhaustive search that Tom said would happen, he hired Warner. Save us anything you have to say..... If he didn't make 100 other phone calls before settling on Warner he is absolutely clueless and doesn't care about what the program will be after he is gone.
I think most just wanted to believe
Shame on us for wanting nice things.
I was excited as anyone with the thought it might be Yianni, Nolf, etc. But realistically even if it was, I don’t think anything was going to change
Brands brought in another Iowa guy who wrestled a boring yet some what successful style. Basically Morningstar 2.0.
I think we all want to believe things will change. We want them to. But they absolutely won’t.
The deficiencies seem pretty obvious. How are we gonna change the culture into a team looking to score points and don’t miss 80% of their scoring opportunities as soon as their opponent starts a scramble. Warner is a more successful Morningstar. Hard for guys who are known for being tough hand fighters with little ways to score to teach our guys how to be dynamic point scorers which is what is needed. I’m sure nolf didn’t even get a call
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Apparently it's tough to fall through when there wasn't even a start. Contrary to what some on here were telling us, or maybe just wishing for.
You must have forgotten he was banged up all year? He went NCAA’s as the 14 seed and after a 2nd round loss to Elam he fought his way back through the consy’s to finish 5th. As a senior that took some guts. I’ve seen many others throw in the towel.
There is no doubt JW is a tough dude and always performed well at NCAAs.
He did always show up for NCAA’s. If he could pass this down, that would be invaluable.
Nobody is debating that JW was as tough as they come and was a very good hawk. That being said he was never a big point scorer any of his years not just his senior year. He is exactly the style that many of our guys get hate for. Hard hand fighters with slower feet that can’t scramble and are in 1 takedown matches consistently with higher level competition. We need guys who are dynamic point scorers to compete with the best teams and I just don’t see that happening with Morningstar and JW. But hey if you’re cool with fighting for 4th place every year then great hire!
Warner is a really good communicator and representative of the hawks. He will be an asset on the recruiting trail. I hear everyone’s point on wanting to go for guys who were prolific scorers. Looking past that, he was a gritty guy who always made the walk to compete. He was also a good leader on the team.
I’m just glad we finally got an assistant wrestling coach that was an offensive juggernaut. Big upgrade from Telford. Not to mention it puts an end to the Iowa cult like hiring practices!
he has a social media presence and we could all debate if thats a good thing or not. but kids are all over stuff like that and he seems like a guy that would go to war for his dudes and that means something to the guys wrestling for you. again just my opinion.
Ill admitt got a soft spot for warner my nephew went to a camp he was at and something happend when he was drilling with one of his partners can't remember exactly but he ran off crying and warner went over and put his arms around him and calmed him down and got him back to the mat its still the screen savor on my phone so maybe im a little biased here lol
I really hope you're right on the recruiting part. But I have much more confidence he can be a solid training coach. That's important, but if it means he's getting R12ers to place 5th or 6th, not moving the team race needle much. We need more elite recruits if we hope to compete with PSU and OSU, plain and simple. Not sure he helps with that, we shall see. Then again, maybe it was just unrealistic to think we could get some hot recruiting draw to be a 3rd assistant, especially if Beth was not willing to offer a HC in waiting tag to them. Just hard to get too excited about this, but that's not a knock on JWar.
I am not cool with fighting for 4Th, However it’s where we are.
Wasn't he a 5 time All-American??
This is the best Tom and Terry can do? Might be time to make a change Beth. I mean for the next two to three years we are like Jackie Moon in Semi-Pro and the best the Flint Tropics could finish was 4th place. Penn State, Oklahoma State, and to a lesser extent Ohio State are going to be objectively better and nothing will change that.
Didn't I tell you that earlier this week when I replied to your first post about what he was doing?
You dont have an idea either. Blind faith in Brands doesn't make you right.Warner is a 4x all American and a finalist, Smart and a hell of a nice guy. Your points hold no validity of why Warner cannot succeed to be an excellent college coach.
Why does everyone think You need to be a world beater or name recognitionto be a good college coach.
I say we Need to get the best on the team and have tremendous resources, but as many here said coaching is more important. Warner could be the next best coach around, all of you do not know otherwise.
This is a good hire for keeping a cohesive coaching staff where they are all on the same page. I believe this is the wrong page, but those with the power think this is the best for the program at this time. JW isn't going to bring shock and awe but he certainly won't upset the apple cart. Big changes won't happen until Iowa parts ways with Tom Brands. That time will come in the future whether it be after next year or 5 years from now. When it does come Iowa will have options as the Iowa job is one of the best if not the very best job in the country. Brands will keep the program very good until that time comes. There will be no team titles but there also won't be any terrible years imo. 3-6 place would be incredible every year for all but a couple programs.
The Covid year sucked. I don’t really use that since it was solely based on seeding. Even though Iowa was clearly the best team that year, you can’t call them the National Champs. So, I have just as hard of a time calling them All Americans for that year…
It sucked big time. I consider Iowa the champs in my mind as they were almost certainly going to win it. I don't even mind the individuals being gifted AA status. I mostly hate it for the several guys who were not highly seeded who would have made AA. Just a bad deal all around. As fans it sucked but way worse for all of the young men who didn't get to wrestle.
You realize it’s an assistant spot so you’re not getting a 4x or seasoned coach. I think this is a great hire.
the names being thrown out
I think Willie made the best point. Tom has two years left and they were not going to get anyone for a 4th coach for only 2 years.