Dan Hurley and his terrible first 2 UCONN years

kyjeff1

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I’m not and idk what that means but tubby smith did better his only 2 years at Georgia than pope did his first 2 years at Kentucky. Tubby had more tournament wins at Tulsa in 4 years than pope has had in 11 years of coaching. Tubby has recruited the #1 high school class in the country and has a championship. Nothing makes sense to me in defending pope over tubby.
Did better how? Who did Tubny beat his first 2 years at UGA? I'll wait.
You think the strength of schedules were the same? Again, I'll wait.
 
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JimboBBN

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The biggest myth on here is fans want Pope to fail. Nobody wants him to fail, I’d love for him to kill it next year and make a final four. I just don’t believe he can do that. I think he can be a mid level coach with an occasional sweet 16. Unfortunately, that’s not the standard here and not why we’re paying him nearly $6mil/yr. I hope I’m wrong but I’d rather move on and get someone whose up for the job.
This is where I’m at and I’m pretty sure most of BBN is at. Everyone in BBN wants to win every game but facts and numbers indicate next season will be as painful as this last one. Pope is in over his head. Giving him one more year just to give him three doesn’t make sense, either. We know we are going to be bad, but let’s just go ahead and give him a third anyways. Make it make sense. Why waste a season?
 

kyjeff1

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Out of those 11 years. Pope had 2 seasons with less than 10 losses. 1 being the Covid year and he would’ve had 10 that year too.. he would’ve lost in conference and ncaa tournament. He lost 8 losses the Covid year.
All mark pope does is lose everywhere he goes!
20-7 is his only reason season when he didn’t lose 10 games or more. He lost in round of 64 that year. F mark pope
So, he has done nothing good here at UK? Nothing at all?
Who do you want him to be replaced by? Realistically, don't say Hurley, he isn't a realistic option. Neither is Golden and Oats already said no.
 
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The biggest myth on here is fans want Pope to fail. Nobody wants him to fail, I’d love for him to kill it next year and make a final four. I just don’t believe he can do that. I think he can be a mid level coach with an occasional sweet 16. Unfortunately, that’s not the standard here and not why we’re paying him nearly $6mil/yr. I hope I’m wrong but I’d rather move on and get someone whose up for the job.
“Nobody wants him to fail” lol. You may not but there are multiple people on this board that do.
 

Tim0808

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There you go parroting what I told you again. I was laughing at how inept you are at this. You spent most of your day defending a stupid and highly inaccurate comment made by someone else. Your goofy attempt at trying to be intimidating was a total fail so I was just making fun of the lame tactics you resorted to. I guess at least I didn't get under your skin enough to get the asterisks laden profanity this time.:D:D:D
The enjoyment is in the denial that you are in. Numbers do not lie. Read them enough and you will be able to understand them.
 

preacherfan

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We begged for UNC to keep Davis for a reason. Sorry you’re having a hard time keeping up here.
Yeah, we (including myself) believed that Davis didn't have what it takes. It is a good example that sometimes this board can be right. However, Billy G had strong support when he was hired and we (not including myself) were wrong, wrong, wrong. We (including myself) thought Miller would do well at IU. We were wrong. We (not including myself) thought Tubby would be a S16 coach at Minnesota and make it to the FF before UK would but we were wrong.

Over the years, I have read on this board that "if you know basketball, you will know Jared Carter will be great," and "Ramon Harris will lead Kentucky in scoring." I have read that college basketball has changed and there is so much parity that the blue bloods no longer have an advantage (before NIL and the Portal). I could go on and on.

The point being that we are wrong more than we are right. So, why would I care what a rival fan or a Kentucky fan thinks when I can make up my own mind?

Serious question: Do you vote for the person you believe is best or do you have to know what other people are thinking and let that influence your decision? If you do, just email me and I can tell you whom to vote for and why. :):):)
 

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So, he has done nothing good here at UK? Nothing at all?
Who do you wanrlt him to be replaced by? Realistically, don't say Hurley, he isn't a realistic option. Neither is Golden and Oats already said no.
Nothing correct! Finish t-6 and t-7 his 2 seasons at uk. Finished 24-12, and 22-14. That’s Billy Clyde. Also lost to coach cal at rupp in his 1st season and Louisville 2nd season
 
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The enjoyment is in the denial that you are in. Numbers do not lie. Read them enough and you will be able to understand them.
Since numbers do not lie, I’ll bet you think Pope isn’t too bad of a recruiter? I bet his top 7 high school class and top 2 portal class have convinced you that he is, at minimum, a pretty decent recruiter…….or I bet you’ll disregard that and quietly assume the numbers lie (I.e. he missed on certain guys etc).
 

kyjeff1

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They’ve won 3 more tournament games than we have since Pope has been here I think they’d be fine lol
Right, but Pope swept them both years. I don't think they would say what you think they would.

They would also be more reasonable than our own fans and state the obvious fact that UK was a shell of themselves both years with the injuries.

Most people without an agenda understand how devastating it is to lose players, but our own fans don't.

Well wait, we call out the injury excuse for BYU and Iowa State, but that's different somehow. I still can't figure out how though.
 
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preacherfan

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I’ll called out the same thing. They use one measure for our coach and a different measure for everyone else.
I love the guy who says that Hurley's record before UConn cannot be considered because it is a pre-NIL but he constantly talks about Pope's record at BYU as evidence that Pope can't coach. You seriously can't make this stuff up!
 

kyjeff1

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The biggest myth on here is fans want Pope to fail. Nobody wants him to fail, I’d love for him to kill it next year and make a final four. I just don’t believe he can do that. I think he can be a mid level coach with an occasional sweet 16. Unfortunately, that’s not the standard here and not why we’re paying him nearly $6mil/yr. I hope I’m wrong but I’d rather move on and get someone whose up for the job.
Bullsh*t.
Guess I understand, I rarely see you here.

There were threads started by respectable, long time posters, hoping UK lost out.
 
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I’m personally over pope. I don’t ever want a Beta coaching at Kentucky. Mark pope is soft he’s goofy and he’s boring af
Betas don’t exist in human nature. Always hilarious when the same people with no nuance in talking basketball also don’t understand basic science.

Here’s from Google:

TIL the study that yeilded the concept of the alpha wolf (commonly ...
The "alpha/beta" human dynamic is fundamentally flawed, based on outdated, debunked research on captive, unrelated wolves. In the wild, wolf packs are family units led by parents (breeding pairs), not aggressive dictators fighting for dominance. Applying these misinterpreted wolf dynamics to human social structures is scientifically unsound.
 

Tim0808

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Since numbers do not lie, I’ll bet you think Pope isn’t too bad of a recruiter? I bet his top 7 high school class and top 2 portal class have convinced you that he is, at minimum, a pretty decent recruiter…….or I bet you’ll disregard that and quietly assume the numbers lie (I.e. he missed on certain guys etc).
It depends how you analyze recruiting classes. If you rank them based on what the gurus think before the players play, yes he is a good portal guy. Or if you rank them based on what the players accomplish, then it is either he is either a bad recruiter or a terrible coach. You can pick.
 

kyjeff1

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Nothing correct! Finish t-6 and t-7 his 2 seasons at uk. Finished 24-12, and 22-14. That’s Billy Clyde. Also lost to coach cal at rupp in his 1st season and Louisville 2nd season
There’s no point in continuing this conversation. You're mind is made up. Good luck with your blood pressure.
 
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It depends how you analyze recruiting classes. If you rank them based on what the gurus think before the players play, yes he is a good portal guy. Or if you rank them based on what the players accomplish, then it is either he is either a bad recruiter or a terrible coach. You can pick.
If you’re rating them after they play, that isn’t recruiting, my friend. That is scouting/talent evaluation. And yes, I think Pope mismanaged this roster. I also think injuries played a major role.

Glad we agree that Pope is a decent recruiter though.
 
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And you think Cal is in the HOF for his coaching? If so, I now know you are oblivious.
See, that is how incompetent you are as a basketball guy. What do you think he is in the Hall of Fame for? Your personal agenda does not allow you to see the truth. You can hate him all you want, but the guy is one of the top coaches to ever coach the game.
 
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kyjeff1

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See, that is how incompetent you are as a basketball guy. What do you think he is in the Hall of Fame for? Your personal agenda does not allow you to see the truth. You can hate him all you want, but the guy is one of the top coaches to ever coach the game.
He's in the HOF for his recruiting and the big stage he was on at UK.
If he was anytning close to a HOF coach, he wouldn't be sitting there with 1 title while half the NBA played for him.
The guy is a mid game coach at best.
 

Tim0808

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And you think Cal is in the HOF for his coaching? If so, I now know you are oblivious.
See, that is how incompetent you are as a basketball guy. What do you think he is in the Hall of Fame for? Your personal agenda does not allow you to see the truth. You can hate him all you want, but the guy is one of the top coaches to ever coach the game.
 
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