It seems that the consensus is that Oklahoma State is the new rival…
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Next year OSU cuts the gap in half, we should be close to 180 again but they will get both more bonus, and a couple more AAs. I think we 'cruise' to a nervous 20-30 point win.
The year after? They will arguably have 6 finalists and we will have lost from this year's team Levi, SVN, and Mitch.
Then the year after that Luke, Kasak, Rocco and Barr.
Our pipeline is strong but there are gaps. Anyone who doesn't think OSU significantly ups their bonus as those kids mature is smoking something.
Come 27/28 it's on, whether you want to admit it or not, and at least for one year after 28/29 doesn't look in our favor from today's POV.
Tons can change between now and then, but the 'easy years' are soon behind us. It's good for the sport but bad for my heart.
PS - did I say that I am still physically sick over PJ's screw job?
The year after? They will arguably have 6 finalists and we will have lost from this year's team Levi, SVN, and Mitch.
Then the year after that Luke, Kasak, Rocco and Barr.
Our pipeline is strong but there are gaps. Anyone who doesn't think OSU significantly ups their bonus as those kids mature is smoking something.
Come 27/28 it's on, whether you want to admit it or not, and at least for one year after 28/29 doesn't look in our favor from today's POV.
Tons can change between now and then, but the 'easy years' are soon behind us. It's good for the sport but bad for my heart.
PS - did I say that I am still physically sick over PJ's screw job?
I'm good doubt they careMake sure you run over to your home board at HR and tell em too
Don't distract Corby from his undercover mission to keep TnT at Iowa for many years to come.
Maybe if you guys stop saying name all the time I wouldn't have to post as much 
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In his recent interview with Marcus and Connor Pierce he was asked that exact question and he said he got up to 73.5 kg (161.7 lb.) at his heaviest. That is still really heavy! I have the video queued up to that portion of the interview.
I do think Cowboys can improve on their bonus, but it won't be so easy if Jax and Vega both move up as I suspect. We have an opportunity to get more bonus points as well.
Seidel going 141 next year with Bassett and Henson in the lineup would send Gaj to the bench. Seriously doubt this is happening.
@mcpat The first 5-shrug post and it's self-identified no less.Maybe if you guys stop saying name all the time I wouldn't have to post as much
This is almost as crazy as your Ryder take. 28/29 doesn’t look in our favor?! Please go through their lineup and show me the team that will beat PSU.
There seems to be more than just one or two of us who just can't wait to say i knew they were going to catch us.
If there are any gaps for 28/29 there's plenty of time to fill them. However I don't see many gaps if any.
And who knows who DT will get at that point. Too far away to spend any time thinking about. The likelihood that the team will be even better in 26/27 is crazy enough to think about for now.
Especially with that 2028 class. I think both PSU and OkSt will be getting fairly big classes so it comes down to who can get the top kids. PSU has a great chance to sign the number 1 class I think which will go a long way in keeping them at the top
Yes, but if you're trying to make a big team run in Henson's last year, shirting an NCAA 4th is not a likely plan.
Henson is a 65kg going up to 157 might not be the best idea for him. And he's gonna want a title and Kasak at 157 will stop that from happening. Henson will determine everything. If he's 149 then Bo is 141 . They may not be able to put the best lineup out if guys can't make the weight.
Seidel 133 Bo 141 Gaj 149 Henson 157 Miller 165 is the best lineup. But I don't see that happening
I gave up trying to second guess Cael a long time ago. He's 2-3 years ahead of everyone. We just broke the points record and although we do lose Haines, we can put in play Ono, Kasak(3rd twice), Henckel/James. Then we lose Van Ness, MM. With Kasak, Duke, James 65 is coverred. 49 seems to be herring's to earn. It's all good. Cunningham's, Desmond, Sealy...it's insane.
165 = Church. Miller is Class of 2027, will still be at McCort next year unless you have some inside info about him leaving early. Henson will be gone before Miller arrives.
Him reclassifying is a thing and I expect it
OKST is vulnerable to regressing to the mean, given the number and impact of breaks listed by Unbiased Football Fan in the other thread.
Also Taylor has a LOT of work to do on their bonus rates. Forrest was the only Poke to crack 50% bonus for the year. Four of them were under 30%, and another was at 30.7%. (Pretty sure Duke can beat 31% in his sleep.)
Neither of these are convenient for the board Chicken Littles.
Yes and no. 3 of his guys in the champ were stallers. I doubt we see two of them again, robi and Merrill, Forrest great attack was neutralized by Davino and if Davino didn’t rush his shot, who knows. Although I think Forrest will get better.
Lack of bonus rate is so clear. Vega 0, Robideau 0, ... that's what Iowa stall style wrestling produces. open up or perish as a team.
And it wouldn't be the least bit surprising if Robideau and Merrill didn't make finals next season. Edit: I see Raz beat me to it.
It's more stark when you look at their full-season bonus rates:
125 Spratley = 44.0%
133 Forrest = 84.2%
141 Vega = 45.8%
149 Swiderski = 20.0%
157 Robideau = 47.8%
165 Lockett = 22.7%
174 Facundo = 30.7%
184 Ryder = 20.0%
197 Merrill = 23.1%
285 Doucet = 46.1%
OKST had 4 starters with a lower bonus rate than Gabe Arnold (25%) -- and Arnold wrestled most of the year up 1 or 2 weights. Oof.
That's astonishing in that they came in second. Would love to the bonus rate of PSU right next to that. I'm sure the contrast is eye opening.
125 Lilledahl 53.9%, Spratley 44.0%
133 Blaze 71.4%, Forrest 84.2%
141 Davis 42.9%, Vega 45.8%
149 Van Ness 74.1%, Swiderski 20.0%
157 Duke 70.4%, Robideau 47.8%
165 Mesenbrink 96.3%, Lockett 22.7%
174 Levi 77.8%, Facundo 30.7%
184 Welsh 53.9%, Ryder 20.0%
197 Barr 95.8%, Merrill 23.1%
285 Mirasola 39.3%, Doucet = 46.1%
8 of our starters would've been 1st or 2nd best bonus at OKST. Our worst bonus performer would've been 5th there.
Great job, That side by side says it all. Okie state has work to do. MM and Barr's numbers just insane.
Penn State average- 67.6%
OK State " - 38.4%
Wait a second…you are telling me the uber athletic Ryder only had a 20% bonus rate?! I thought he was going to be a bonus machine going up against these un-athletic guys like Rocco!
I’m interested to see how Vega develops. Guys are going to stop shooting on him and right now he doesn’t have a go to attack. I think next year he takes a loss or 2 and is in a ton of close matches. He is good enough that I think the offense will come but like Blaze I doubt he can just flip a switch and become a huge point scorer
Personally, I'm sick of hearing about Oklahoma State and Taylor.
27-28 think PSU still has it handily especially if Ono is still there
Luke
Ono
Blaze
149?
Kasak
Duke
James
Welsh
Barr
Mirasola
can’t see anyone beating that
