Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

firegiver

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This is a great podcast about the war in Iran. It is pretty unbiased, but I am sure most of you won't like it bc it is not an hour-and-a-half-long praise fest for Trump's brilliance.


sigh.... Israel is gonna nuke em. Im like 50/50 its going to happen and all hell is gonna break loose.
 

bdgan

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I'm fine to call a spade a spade regardless of bias- the U.S. getting into another war in the Middle East is asinine and literally no one wants it, other than the die hard MAGA's. You HAVE tried to rationalize it as you have asked repeatedly over and over to MAGA adherent's what the solution is/or the end goal.

Remove the block from your eye before you try and remove my speck.
Neither of us have solutions to the world's problems. On one hand I think it's wrong to allow Iran to continue to terrorize the world and kill millions of innocent people like they've been doing for the last 47 years. On the other hand I don't like being the world's policeman.

In this case I think Trump made a very dumb political move because 10 dead, higher gas prices, and tens of $billions looks really bad in the short term (election year). But maybe it works out in the long term. I don't know but I'm skeptical because the Islamic Republic of Iran Armed Forces has about 1 million members and Iranian citizens are unarmed. I just don't see a regime change likely unless half of them defect. So the best outcome is that Iran is severely crippled and it will take a decade or more to rebuild.

That's how I see the war. You interpret my position as rationalizing for Trump/MAGA. I think you're the one with the block.
 

dpic73

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Phuck off commie


Featuring : the smooth-brained drivel from Jinxy the incoherent chud:

Yesterday
Jinxychud: where were you when Iran killed thousands of their own citizens?!?!
Me: waiting for Trump to help them before they were killed like he promised.
Jinxychud: you have blue hair!

Today
Me: we have killed thousands of Iranian citizens
Jinxychud: phuck off commie!
 

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Those are all tragic losses. I just wonder where your outcry was when a few thousand Americans died in Afghanistan during Obama's surge or Biden's pullout. Or those who died during Obama's attacks on Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia.

It makes me think you only look at things with a liberal bias.
Don't forget the 13 soldiers who Joe left behind.
 

Fac

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What a tired-*** whataboutism - are you monitoring my outcries weirdo? We had already obliterated Iran's nuclear program so chalk these deaths up to a war of choice to pay Bibi back for stroking Donnie's massive, demented ego.

You really ought to run for the Democratic presidential nominee in 2028. You think you know everything.
You would be better than anyone the left has in their pipeline. Except maybe for Maxine Waters.
 
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dpic73

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You really ought to run for the Democratic presidential nominee in 2028. You think you know everything.
You would be better than anyone the left has in their pipeline. Except maybe for Maxine Waters.
 

fatpiggy

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I’m sure he will be sympathetic to the USA’s concerns. :eye roll:

You basically have to kill him. No choice


 

LafayetteBear

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I’m going to bet my car that the very people saying President Trump underestimated the Iranian regime, had no plan, or didn’t know what he was getting into…

…are the same people who had ZERO idea where Kharg Island was or why it matters until it was bombed a few hours ago.

Let me explain why this place matters.

Kharg Island is not just some random island in the Persian Gulf.
It is the economic jugular vein of the Iranian regime.

• Roughly 90% of Iran’s crude oil exports move through this single island.
• It hosts Iran’s largest oil export terminal.
• It has a loading capacity of ~7 million barrels per day.
• Tankers leave from here carrying oil primarily to China and India.

In simple terms:

No Kharg Island.
No oil exports.
No oil exports.
No regime revenue.

And without oil revenue, the Iranian regime has a serious problem funding:

• The IRGC
• Proxy militias across the Middle East
• Weapons programs
• Regional destabilization

This is why Kharg Island has always been considered one of Iran’s most strategic assets.

If you were looking for a pressure point on the regime without launching a ground war…

this is exactly where you would look.

So before the usual commentators start declaring “no strategy” or “reckless escalation,” it’s worth asking a simple question:

Did they even know this island existed before today?

These people need a class on geography by AOC.

So why did Trump wait so long to bomb Kharg Island if it was so central to his war strategy? LOL, these newbs need to come up with a better argument.
 
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LafayetteBear

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Those are all tragic losses. I just wonder where your outcry was when a few thousand Americans died in Afghanistan during Obama's surge or Biden's pullout. Or those who died during Obama's attacks on Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia.

It makes me think you only look at things with a liberal bias.
Taking issue with the decision to commence, or the rationale for commencing, military hostilities is one issue, and one's personal reaction to the death of or injury to American soldiers is quite another. Why would anyone refrain from expressing sympathy for Americans killed or injured while in a military conflict, no matter how that conflict was started? I suppose I could ask you where your expressions of either outrage or sympathy were when Americans died during the various conflicts initiated by Republican presidents, but I don't want to waste my time.
 

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So why did Trump wait so long to bomb Kharg Island if it was so central to his war strategy? LOL, these newbs need to come up with a better argument.
have to get air superiority other key targets first...it's only been two weeks. Now, if you'd have asked why did he wait so long to move the marines, you'd have a valid point IMO
 
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Yawn. Flyovers don't do much for me. Although a stealth bomber flyover is pretty cool.
I got to see one up close when I lived in London...massive and impressive. Hard to believe it's now old enough to be replaced by the B21
Right as the fist gulf war was was kicking off during the bombing campaign I was down at Eglin AFB, way out in the training area. A F-111 bomber flying nap of the earth flew directly overhead. 1 in a million coincidence. Came and went out of nowhere. Shook the ground. Could literally feel the heat off the engines. I happened to be looking in the right direction to see it right as it psssed overhead. Gone in less than a second.

what’s really hard to believe is that we’re still flying B-52s!!
 
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Atta boy. Trump launches a war no one wanted, and which he assured us would never happen, and one of the side effects/consequences of this war is that Iranian soccer players will be tortured/killed ... and rather than take the Second Reich to task for causing this and/or not doing something to prevent it ... Clay Travis is trying to criticize the left for ... uh ... not yelling enough about the Reich's failures?!

You guys should just take the crayons we gave you and, with the ones you haven't eaten yet, just color and color and leave the thinking to people capable of doing so.
 

JohnHughsPartner

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Atta boy. Trump launches a war no one wanted, and which he assured us would never happen, and one of the side effects/consequences of this war is that Iranian soccer players will be tortured/killed ... and rather than take the Second Reich to task for causing this and/or not doing something to prevent it ... Clay Travis is trying to criticize the left for ... uh ... not yelling enough about the Reich's failures?!

You guys should just take the crayons we gave you and, with the ones you haven't eaten yet, just color and color and leave the thinking to people capable of doing so.
You’re SIMPLY a phucking retard. Here’s the last three Dem presidents that you would be sucking off if one of them had the balls to strike the regime that has threatened “death to America. So sit down and STFU , you America hating pvssy.

 
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So why did Trump wait so long to bomb Kharg Island if it was so central to his war strategy? LOL, these newbs need to come up with a better argument.
Kharg Island is what military planners would have (likely) deemed a "Strategic Center of Gravity", for Iran. COG is defined in US joint military doctrine as: " The source of power that provides moral of physical strength, freedom of action, or will to act.".

There can be multiple and they are identified (and different) at the strategic, operational, or tactical levels. In WWII, for example the US industrial base/manufacturing capability was a COG. It couldn't be attacked directly by the axis but, operationally the flow of goods from that industrial base to England could be targeted. So the allies (if they had the doctrine) would have considered the German U Boat fleet as an Operational COG.

90% of all iranian exports flow through kharg. No kharg, no economy. No $$ for the government to fund a military or even govern for that mattter.

Because something is a COG, doesn't necessarily compel it's attack on day one. Operations are phased and there is a tempo to things with actions based upon how operations have unfolded thus far, if proper conditions have been set, and also based upon the commander's read of the battlefield.

In the case of Kharg... There was nothing compelling it to be bombed right off the bat and there were big reasons not to. An attack on Kharg is immediately ecalatory and risks Irans retaliation against the straight of hormuz or oil infrastructure in the region. There is also the environmental aspect as well. Also once achieve total air superiority, that target is always at risk at any time of the day or night. So attacking it initially removes it as a future option for ecalation attack on the enemy's national will.

The attack agains the military sites an not the oil infrastructure itself was a message, a reminder to Iran that we can strike it and ruin your economy permanently... while still leaving that option open. So it can always get worse. Moving marines and alerting the 82nd are also signals and interjects more bad news and general activity in the enemy's decision making process... and if the Iranians were thinking that "they won't bomb it it would be an ecological disaster", now they have to consider that we might just take it intact and sit on it. My $0.02.
 

firegiver

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You’re SIMPLY a phucking retard. Here’s the last three Dem presidents that you would be sucking off if one of them had the balls to strike the regime that has threatened “death to America. So sit down and STFU , you America hating pvssy.


Obama did something about it. Trump un did it and created a mess. Its a sad state of affairs that people were so politically charged they didn't understand the Iran deal.
 
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You’re SIMPLY a phucking retard. Here’s the last three Dem presidents that you would be sucking off if one of them had the balls to strike the regime that has threatened “death to America. So sit down and STFU , you America hating pvssy.



This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that was made in the previous post. Good going. You must be too busy at work to be literate, again.

Either get your ish together and respond like a functioning human, or continue spouting meaningless, diversionary propaganda.
 

JohnHughsPartner

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It must suck sitting around all day waiting for something to go wrong
This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that was made in the previous post. Good going. You must be too busy at work to be literate, again.

Either get your ish together and respond like a functioning human, or continue spouting propaganda.
“Ish” ?? Hahah what a colossal phaggot.
 
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JohnHughsPartner

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that was made in the previous post. Good going. You must be too busy at work to be literate, again.

Either get your ish together and respond like a functioning human, or continue spouting propaganda.
Yes it has everything to do with your failed point, retard
 

Moogy

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It must suck sitting around all day waiting for something to go wrong
“Ish” ?? Hahah what a colossal phaggot.

You should just chant "USA! USA! USA!" with your belly hanging out from under your American flag tank top and leave the thinking to those capable of doing so.