The United States Should Exit NATO - Collapse In Real Time - Calls Intensify

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That's an old video, iirc, and the guy was busted for posting swastikas I think? Think the chief commissioner dropped the charges bc she thought it was stupid, rightfully so, but idk.
 
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Long overdue that we take care of our own country first. Let’s focus on those less fortunate here, help them have better lives, and stop funding/funneling money elsewhere. Watch the lifelong politicians no longer become super wealthy on low 6 figure salaries.

The worldwide gig is up. The US will be better than fine.

Politicians can become very wealthy in office due to the insider trading they do with the privileged information they have access to.
 

Dadar

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The responses in this thread are shocking so I pray the posters here represent a minority opinion - you want us to abandon Europe and join forces with the Axis. Really? You better think about this a little more before we capitulate to Putin and abandon the greatest military alliance in world history. Once it's gone, we may never get it back.

Here's a perspective you may want to consider.

Volodymyr Vlad Kunko

"I’m calling it as it is. I dont care whether you agree with me or not, just check your response with your gut. My gut never lies to me.

I’ve had my suspicions all along about this stooge. He’s not intelligent enough to pull this off by himself. We better hope that all the social security numbers and tax info that Muskrat just uploaded from SSA and IRS from every single american citizens account, doesn’t end up in Putin’s files. Whoever has that info can potentially wipe out every dime we have and can potentially fund a world takeover:

There is something rancid in America, a slow, creeping rot that smells like cold McDonald’s fries, aerosol hairspray, and the unmistakable musk of a country too sedated to recognize its own hostage situation. For years, the idea that Donald Trump was compromised by Russia was dismissed as paranoid fantasy—just another wild-eyed conspiracy theory, another overblown headline in the endless saga of American political dysfunction.

But now, two former Soviet intelligence officers—Alnur Mussayev and Yuri Shvets—are saying it outright: Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987, groomed as an asset, and remains under Russian control to this day.

And the worst part? He’s already back in the White House.

That’s right, America. You did it. You walked face-first into the banana peel of history, slipped, and fell straight into the arms of Vladimir Putin. Trump was kicked out in 2020, spent four years plotting his comeback, and now he’s returned, like a bloated, orange cockroach that just won’t die. The Kremlin’s favorite stooge is running the country again, and this time, he knows exactly how to stay in power.

If you think this is just another round of the Trump Show, you’re not paying attention. This isn’t politics anymore. This is treason. This is foreign subversion. This is a ******* coup in slow motion.

Let’s break it down, nice and simple.

Alnur Mussayev isn’t some Twitter conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat and a podcast. He’s the former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee, which means he knows exactly how Russian intelligence works—because he was part of the system. And what he’s saying should make every American’s blood run cold.

According to Mussayev, Trump was identified, recruited, and compromised by the KGB in 1987 during his first trip to Moscow. They saw him for what he was: a narcissistic, greedy, attention-starved buffoon who could be easily manipulated. The KGB flattered him, promised him business deals, and planted the seeds of political ambition in his empty little head. And from that moment on, he was their man.

But Mussayev isn’t alone. Former KGB major Yuri Shvets said the exact same thing in 2021: Trump was cultivated by Soviet intelligence because he was an easy mark—too stupid to realize he was being played, too egotistical to care. They saw him as a useful idiot—a man who could one day be nudged into power, a walking, talking Trojan Horse for Russian interests.

And now? The plan has worked. Trump spent four years in office weakening America from within, got booted out, and now he’s back for round two.

If you had told the American public in 1962 that a Soviet-backed asset would one day sit in the White House, they would have burned Washington to the ground before letting it happen. But today? Nobody seems to care.

The media treats this like just another wacky subplot in the never-ending Trump reality show. Congress is too busy fighting over meaningless culture war nonsense to do anything about it. And the American public? Exhausted. Numb. Checked out. Years of scandals—Russia collusion, Ukraine blackmail, classified documents, tax fraud, sexual assault, an attempted coup—have fried the country’s brain like an overcooked steak at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump has done the impossible. He has committed so many crimes, so openly, so brazenly, that none of them matter anymore.
And now, with Mussayev’s revelation that Trump is an active foreign asset, we have finally reached the point where the biggest political scandal in American history is met with a collective shrug.

This is how democracy dies—not with a bang, but with a ******* eye-roll.

This is the part where the skeptics start clutching their pearls. “Oh, come on,” they say. “If Trump were really a Russian asset, wouldn’t there be more proof?”

To which I say: Are you blind, or just willfully stupid?

Let’s go through the evidence, shall we?

Trump spent his entire first term doing exactly what Russia wanted. He attacked NATO, calling it “obsolete” and threatening to pull the U.S. out. He tried to blackmail Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on Joe Biden, because weakening Ukraine helps one man and one man only: Vladimir Putin. He pulled U.S. troops out of Syria, handing power over to Russian forces. He picked fights with Canada and Europe while cozying up to dictators.

Even now, in his second term, he is more openly pro-Putin than ever. He has made it clear that he will not protect NATO allies from Russian aggression. He is actively dismantling America’s alliances, just as Russia planned. And while Americans scream at each other over whether Target should sell rainbow t-shirts, Trump is quietly selling the country to the Kremlin.

At some point, you have to stop calling it a coincidence and start calling it what it is: treason.

The United States is running out of time. If Trump serves out this term without being removed, America as a functioning democracy is finished.


The media needs to wake up. Enough with the “Trump fatigue” excuse. This is not just another scandal—this is the single greatest infiltration of American power in history. Journalists need to dig into Mussayev’s claims, demand declassification of intelligence files, and treat this like the national emergency that it is.

Congress needs to subpoena Mussayev immediately. His testimony must be public, and every document he has should be reviewed. If there is proof that Trump has been compromised since the 1980s, the American people need to know.

The Justice Department needs to stop pretending that Trump is just another politician. If there is evidence that the sitting president of the United States is working in Russia’s interests, he must be removed from office and prosecuted for espionage.

And the American public? You have one last chance. This is not about Republican vs. Democrat. This is not about taxes, gas prices, or whatever nonsense outrage is dominating the news today. This is about whether the United States remains a sovereign nation, or if we spend the rest of the century as a Russian client state with a golf course.

The sheer volume of Trump's corruption, the blatant nature of his crimes, the mountain of evidence that should have ended his political career a hundred times over—none of it mattered. He survived it all, not because he was innocent, but because he drowned the country in so much scandal that nothing stuck.

But this time, it’s different. If Mussayev and Shvets are right, this isn’t just another chapter in the endless Trump circus. This is the culmination of a decades-long Russian intelligence operation to install an asset in the White House.

There is no coming back from this. If America lets Trump serve out this term without removing him, then the United States as a democratic republic is finished. The country won’t collapse overnight. There won’t be tanks in the streets. Instead, the destruction of democracy will happen in slow motion—buried under lawsuits, propaganda, and corruption so blatant that people stop caring.
If America lets this happen—if Trump is allowed to complete his mission—then Putin wins. The West crumbles. And the people who could have stopped it will look back, years from now, and wonder how they let it happen.

Good night, and good luck. Because if people don’t wake up, America is going to sleepwalk straight into its own funeral."
This
 

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Because it is being posted by @dpic73 I will need to see receipts as generally I find his facts lacking as facts and he is more the wild eyed screaming sky is falling I know it all and am the savior of America as his mantra

With him I take everything as fake and then try to sort out any truth in his posts if there is any

Trump is a bad asset for Russia if he an asset

on the other hand Joe Biden was a great asset for China Iran N Korea and I am leaning to say Russia too
 

dpic73

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Because it is being posted by @dpic73 I will need to see receipts as generally I find his facts lacking as facts and he is more the wild eyed screaming sky is falling I know it all and am the savior of America as his mantra

With him I take everything as fake and then try to sort out any truth in his posts if there is any

Trump is a bad asset for Russia if he an asset

on the other hand Joe Biden was a great asset for China Iran N Korea and I am leaning to say Russia too
Yah, it's been five years Peepaw and you haven't fact-checked me yet so it's time to call them what they really are - inconvenient truths that you don't want to hear.

ALL CAPS THAT GRAMPS
 

fatpiggy

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I thought "birthright" was a bad thing according to trump
Birthright is a tricky one.

I don’t like the fact that Chinese and Russians will literally come here at 8 months pregnant and deliver their babies here to obtain US citizenship. I don’t think that should be allowed.

Other cases would seemingly be ok, but I don’t agree with birth tourism if you will.
 

Dadar

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Is Wall Street May another of the twitter maga fake news media? Do you ever look at Reuters, Dow Jones or Bloomberg?
 

fatpiggy

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Is Wall Street May another of the twitter maga fake news media? Do you ever look at Reuters, Dow Jones or Bloomberg?
Dude - there are like 25 outlets that have covered this. You will read about it on Bloomberg tomorrow.

The word are straight from Kamers mouth, straight from Trumps mouth. I don’t need some news outlet to interpret what they said.

 

Dadar

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Do you believe they included the UK in planning etc?

I have to believe US allies other than Israel may not trust trump and his administration to the point of not being willing to give him a blank check to start wars without approval of US congress and unilateral coordination and approval. Why would any foreign governments take any different positions without quid pro quo?

I believe the Brits did permit use of the bases for the bombing of missile storage facilities.
 
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Do you believe they included the UK in planning etc?

I have to believe US allies other than Israel may not trust trump and his administration to the point of not being willing to give him a blank check to start wars without approval of US congress and unilateral coordination and approval. Why would any foreign governments take any different positions without quid pro quo?

I believe the Brits did permit use of the bases for the bombing of missile storage facilities.
The UK didn't allow use of bases initially. Now the pvssies are backpedling but stil won't take part in offensive operations. Probably worried about mass internal chaos from all the muslims they have imported over the years.
 
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Dadar

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"Still, as Iranian threats mounted against British bases, civilians and Gulf allies, the government concluded it was within international law to allow US forces to use British facilities for a “limited defensive purpose” targeting missile storage depots, Starmer said. Soon after, a suspected drone struck RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus, though a military assessment determined it was launched before his announcement rather than in retaliation."

 

PAWrocka

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The UK didn't allow use of bases initially. Now the pvssies are backpedling but stil won't take part in offensive operations. Probably worried about mass internal chaos from all the muslims they have imported over the years.
I mean … ya … their unchecked migration may play a role in that … but … objectively … this situation is awfully like your mouthy friend being an ******* at the bar, gets himself into a pickle with a bunch of other dudes, and then looks to you and his other friends to back him up. I mean … you’re friends and the brotherhood demands that you back each other up, but you ain’t gonna be happy about it.
 

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I mean … ya … their unchecked migration may play a role in that … but … objectively … this situation is awfully like your mouthy friend being an ******* at the bar, gets himself into a pickle with a bunch of other dudes, and then looks to you and his other friends to back him up. I mean … you’re friends and the brotherhood demands that you back each other up, but you ain’t gonna be happy about it.
UK and US used to be in lock step culturally and back each other's plays. We helped UK out during the falklands war and they at least have stood by us rhetorically if ther increasingly atrophied military couldn't help in a meaningful way.

The thing is that, it's not like we were asking them to contribute combat forces. we didn't even need them to say how much they loved what we were doing. in fact we didn't need them to do anything at all.

They could have just stood there and drank their beer while we took care of business, but nope, they decided to not only not help, but they helped the other guys by making it harder for us.
 

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They aren’t paying their fair share and want to bully us into a war we don’t want!

All while they have socialized medicine and disrepect free speech.

The disrespect of free speech is enough for me. Release all the speech hostages is a hard requirement. We don’t defend ideals that don’t match ours.

Europe needs to shape up!


Multiple senators including Mike Lee who has made an official proposition to exit. Zelenskyy may have made a YUGE political blunder.








Looks like Norway has already changed their mind about refueling our subs. Didn’t take long.




NATO is an organization like just about every other - it has it good points and it's bad ones.

In either case, it has served the world well. We should stay but keep pressure on the allies to do what they committed