I know I am stirring up a hornet's nest here, but watching that match really shows how much more technical the top wrestlers of today are. I don't doubt the top wrestlers from that era would still be top wrestlers today as they would be using the same techniques as today's wrestlers, but I don't think the baseline techniques used back then would fare well with the techniques in use today.
Psalm 1 guy: agreed all sports evolve... watch Nadia Comaneci, or even Mary Lou Retton now compared to the gymnasts today and it is almost laughable. Watch Willie Pep or Jack Johnson boxing and compare them to a Roy Jones or a Mike Tyson and it looks like a different league... Jim Brow looked great but those OL and DL were the size of our HS LBs today... Sports continue to evolve and wrestling is included in that but you said it... the top athletes then would have also benefited from the better coaching, resources, strength and conditioning programs too and would have evolved with it . IT IS MORE FUN TO WATCH TODAY HOWEVER!
Gable's technique was so devastating they outlawed the chicken-wing.
This is exactly the problem with the Brands that Iowa fans refused to acknowledge for the last 15 years. Some are coming around to it now that DT is doing what Cael did, some still aren’t. The Brands are still teaching the techniques that they were successful with, and the sport has evolved. Their wrestlers can’t get to their offense because their techniques are outdated and don’t work anymore.
I am a natural pessimist. That said, I think da OSU wins 125, 133, 141, Hwy. 4 matches. 157 is gonna be close. Mendez is gonna bonus big. 6 - 4 in match count. Maybe swap OSU winning 157 vs 133. Hope I am very wrong, but I don’t feel good about those lightweights, or Cannon, of OSU
If you’re right, good guys win as long as either MM or Barr earn bonus, even if Mendez gets 6 for the Bucknuts.
157 looks to be a balanced and fairly wide open weight class - I would take the field over any one guy, not just Cannon. Along the same lines of a balanced weight class, I wouldn't be surprised if Cannon finishes in top 5, or slightly outside the top 5.
The odds of tosu winning the first 3 matches is probably around 20%. They would need to draw a straight flush to win this dual if PSU has all starters available. The only matches they will be betting favorite is at 141 and 285. PSU is favored at 149,165,174,184 and 197. The even matches are 125,133, and 157. They would need to win all 3 tossup matches plus limit bonus. 165 and 197 they are giving up bonus. PSU will win two or three of the tossup matches. The betting odds on tOSU matches won should be 3.5 and I would take the under.
We will find out in March. I either way underestimate the guy or the rankers way overestimate the guy. Gun to your head- What current top ranked guy would you pick to have the worst NCAA finish? I bet more than half of all fans would pick Cannon.
If we wrestle like last night and buckuts wrestle out of their minds we are in trouble. I dont think there is as big of a gap here as with nebraska and I'm guessing every bucknut wrestler with the exception of mendez will wrestle just like nebraska
If Bird makes the final the only way that is a good pick is if all 9 other weights are won by the current number 1 guy. Possible but very unlikely. Bird would probably be my next pick to finish the lowest. I still think he is really good and certain top 5. Cannon is the only current number 1 that has achieved almost nothing (he is young). I love ISU but Bastida makes me nervous no matter how great he looks all season.
Gave up 7 points at 141 to Nebraska and still spanked them. Mendez will likely score 4 or 5. tOSU has ground to make up and they lack the horses. They squeaked by Nebraska.
I am perfectly comfortable making the statement that the Penn State team that just whopped Nebraska will not wrestle in a similar fashion against Ohio State.
Byrd doesn’t look quite as good this year as last. He’s obviously winning but wrestling closer matches against guys he should blow out. I can’t see him making the finals again this year but I hope I’m wrong. I really like the kid
Ohio St didn’t exactly look dominant yesterday against a significantly weaker team.
I just watched the last 2 matches and they look pretty evenly matched. Im hoping you are right but davino is not that much below a marcus talent
I don't think we see Cannon again until big 10s. His last match will count for having wrestled in the last 30 days which will allow him to allocate for the big 10
Agree. Dangerous wrestler. Luke must be smart and on Top of his game. OSU has a very good team. It’s gonna be Crazy fun. Hopefully we sale out the BJC and everyone stays on the Ref.
My wife just mentioned this.
Well, I guess that's good news for Stoney Buell or Luke Mechler, but I doubt Ryan cares and it doesn't affect Duke.
Yup. If you get a TD, just cut his *** unless you get one just before end of period. Riding time point less important nowadays.
Can we stop the pearl clutching over Bouzakis?
Combo of both, but a key harbinger will be in those weights. If we win just one of those first 2, the dual is over unless crazy **** happens. If Cannon is out, we are going to pound them from 149-197
anOSU is totally legit at 125 thru 141, probably the best in the country collectively at those three weights. Certainly far better than Michigan at those weights.
Ohio State is very good, but also Michigan is pretty bad in the lighter weights. 125 Sotelo is a borderline NQ this year, will probably qualify and go 0-2 or 1-2. 133 true freshman Botero was 4-10 before today -- and should be shirting but at 4-10 he actually is their best 133 option.
Mostly I agree ... except Larry Bird. Many of today's stars in the NBA say he would have been just as dominant today. Luka called him a basketball savant. As for wrestling, perhaps Danny Hodge due to his unparalleled tendon strength.
@o_BruceK-PSU83 - are you a fresh or saltwater Pearl guy?
