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It's odd, I didn't see you pop in and argue against illegals or show a single iota of compassion for the nursing student that was killed by an illegal POS. Where were her rights? Where was her due process? What about her family? What about the rest of the Americans that died at the hands of illegals?

The criminal illegals are what ICE is trying to to eradicate but the bleeding heart Aholes are obstructing and committing felonious acts because they want to protect illegal criminals over Americans.

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oldjar07

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Again, you understand the immigration has to be a federal issue, right? So that has nothing to do with local and state governance vs big government. People know if they are here legally or illegally. You don’t sneak into a country and hire these coyotes if you can just go to a border check point and come across.

as far as overstepping, they are the only authority, When you block and impede ICE and CBP or DHS operations you are no longer just a protester you are breaking the law. Neither one of these individuals had a sign to protest, they did nothing but interfere with a law enforcement operation. One of them had a firearm and the other used a vehicle as a weapon. You can spin it to attempt to justify your opinion but if people would have simply allowed law enforcement do their job, both persons would still be alive. They didn’t and they aren’t.
Being a federal agent and wearing a badge doesn't give you the authority to shoot and kill someone unless the officer's life was in imminent danger, which it wasn't in either case. You can make any crap excuse for that that you wish, but that still doesn't excuse being trigger happy and using excessive force. And many of those officers will be facing criminal charges for their own wrongful and criminal actions.
 
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Speaking of those hard working aliens... have you ever heard of U.S.C. § 1324a(a)(1)(A)? I guess we will ignore that one as well.

How about the left wanting to toss the 2nd Amendment in the trash but now they want everyone to take up arms against ICE?

The left wants everyone to show an ID at the bank, get on an airplane, buy a firearm or show vaccination papers (and arrested people) but don't think it's necessary for voting.

The left begged to see the Epstein files. Bill Clinton dominates the dump and now the left moves on to Maduro. Those are fishing boats. Those were honest fisherman.

Minnesota implicated in billions of dollars of fraud so the left starts insurrections against ICE as a distraction to see if it takes the focus off the Somali BS. Melissa Hortman was going to blow the lid off regarding the fraud and was assassinated.

The American left is the biggest group of hypocrites in the history of this country. You all change your perspective and focus to fit your current narrative.
I'm not going to engage with the rest of your post... but now the right wants to throw the 2nd amendment in the trash when it doesn't suit their narrative. Talk about hypocrites. And Kash Patel being a commie saying guns aren't allowed at all at a protest. Despite the same Trumptards worshipping their teen boy hero Kyle Rittenhouse when he did the same thing, taking a loaded gun to a protest.
 
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And this is exactly why I'm not and never will be a liberal. There is a middle ground.

But I also don't condone US citizens being killed for exercising their basic rights. And ICE agents need to be much better trained, not so trigger happy, and perhaps call off the dogs when things are getting out of hand. Just basic commonsense stuff. I know law enforcement can be a tough and stressful job, but that doesn't excuse escalating situations unnecessarily to the point of killing people, US citizen or not.

I question how are these protestors continually getting tipped that they know where ICE raids are going to be? Just poor OPSEC and bad organization management that it keeps happening. Until ICE and other federal agencies learn to control these things and ensure a safe security perimeter, no they shouldn't be raiding into people's homes and businesses, often without a warrant. I support basic rights and our constitution, and not overstepping of enforcement authority by poorly trained and coordinated agents.
Obstructing law enforcement is NOT a basic right. It IS IN FACT a criminal act and if you’re STUPID enough to do it while armed your DNA should probably be eliminated from the gene pool. He was a MORON and I would say that if he was wearing a MAGA hat. Play stupid games….
 

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They were both stupid and both threats. You can’t even acknowledge that making a discussion impossible. You’re more interested in smearing Trump than being honest. ICE are bothering nobody except illegals - they’re going home and the purple haired cross dressers getting in their way for some odd reason
The truth be told the Somali illegals would welcome the execution of the leftist gays out rioting. Let’s call it what it is. It’s a riot. When you start confronting law enforcement it’s no longer just a protest.
 
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Neither one was an imminent threat to the life of the officers who shot them, which should be and is the standard for the use of lethal force by law enforcement. Bad decisions were made on both sides, but that doesn't excuse improper use of force that resulted in death in both instances. I don't know how you can call that anything else other than murder.
A guy wrestling with cops, resisting arrest with a visible firearm isn’t an imminent threat to the life of the officers? How freaking stupid are you?
 

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Crazy there were no protest when many more people died under the Obama administration due to deplorable conditions when many many more illegal immigrants were being held in detention centers upon deportation.
 

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Really? So no one with a mental handicap has ever gone to a hunting store before? Ever?

You don't really think that is true, do you? Like you don't think anyone with down syndrome has ever been in a Cabala's?
I never ever insinuated they didn’t go there. I said we don’t find them there. They go unnoticed. Opposite of the guys on here putting their efforts on display.
 

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I get what you are saying and I would never go near one of these protests (or any protest for anything, those people are all losers). But they need to be trained to keep their cool, which 99% of them do.

And you are totally right about getting a job.

Also, the work from home crowd needs to get back to the ******* office. Period
You are clueless. You can’t give enough “keep their cool” training because human defensive emotions take over. Especially the ones who get more exposure to it. We got the left training their people to agitate and harm ice agents. All because they want Trump to look bad. They are literally pushing and paying agitators to confront ICE. 99% of the ICE operations are targeting high crime illegals. Yes lower crime individuals get caught by being associated. And yet you are on here defending the agitators. I don’t recall you on here bitching about Obama when he had 56 detainees die under Ice/border control operations.
 
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I get what you are saying and I would never go near one of these protests (or any protest for anything, those people are all losers). But they need to be trained to keep their cool, which 99% of them do.

And you are totally right about getting a job.

Also, the work from home crowd needs to get back to the ******* office. Perio

The only outnumbered I saw was an American citizen who had every right to be there Alex Pretti taken from behind and put on the ground where up to 7 officers were beating on him. And then the officers started shooting him because they were poorly trained, escalatory, and trigger happy. Bad combination and at minimum, all should be suspended, and one or a few should be facing murder charges.
are you stupid or just dumb?
 
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As one of the resident “useful” idiots… this alcoholic retard has been convinced by his fellow retarded commies that attacking law enforcement is fine. Retards gonna retard. He can’t help it. He has to toe the narrative. He wasn’t raised with any kind of fortitude or standard of behavior, it’s why he talks about women like he does. It’s why no woman will go near him. So instead he’s created this whole pathetic persona to make it seem like his life isn’t a pathetic failure in every way possible.
wtf are u even talking about with this gibberish?
 

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You are clueless. You can’t give enough “keep their cool” training because human defensive emotions take over. Especially the ones who get more exposure to it. We got the left training their people to agitate and harm ice agents. All because they want Trump to look bad. They are literally pushing and paying agitators to confront ICE. 99% of the ICE operations are targeting high crime illegals. Yes lower crime individuals get caught by being associated. And yet you are on here defending the agitators. I don’t recall you on here bitching about Obama when he had 56 detainees die under Ice/border control operations.
Honestly, was this site even around when Obama was president?

Aren't you the fireman and you are saying that training can't help? Good lord.

Okay, so just to recap. ICE training, doesn't work. But the training for the left DOES work? So that dude that was shot by ICE, he was trained to keep his cool, get pinned down, start to resist like a fish out of water AND get a shot off...so his training worked?
 
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I never ever insinuated they didn’t go there. I said we don’t find them there. They go unnoticed. Opposite of the guys on here putting their efforts on display.
You said retarded people don't go to hunting stores. I thought, I guess I could have read it wrong. I am not going back to find it.
 

dinglefritz

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Honestly, was this site even around when Obama was president?

Aren't you the fireman and you are saying that training can't help? Good lord.

Okay, so just to recap. ICE training, doesn't work. But the training for the left DOES work? So that dude that was shot by ICE, he was trained to keep his cool, get pinned down, start to resist like a fish out of water AND get a shot off...so his training worked?
It’s been around for what 20+ years? I started almost 18 years ago while killing time from a joint replacement.
 

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A federal investigation doesn't give you the right to shoot and kill someone who wasn't an imminent threat. Neither the guy nor the gal who were shot and killed in Minnesota were imminent threats.

Law enforcement investigations themselves need to be completely overwritten. I'm also a believer in the 4th amendment and think there should be an official warrant for each and every investigation, and especially when raiding into homes or businesses. I don't know how you hypocritcal MAGA Trumptards can justify raiding into people's homes without official documentation. Maybe there wouldn't be so many protesters if the agency was actually following law and the constitution.
Yea there were no intrusions into innocent homes under Biden or Obama.
 
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I think you have to understand that most people on message boards are not acting how they do "in real life"...

The guys calling everyone retards, they don't do that at work or at home or at the store. They are normal people.

The guys calling everyone "Shitlibs", I think it was, they don't go using that in real life around the neighborhood or at church or school.
Yea they do when they run into people who talk like they post.
 
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It’s been around for what 20+ years? I started almost 18 years ago while killing time from a joint replacement.
I don't know, probably right!

Oh wait, back then we couldn't talk about anything like this though, the mods were total losers about stuff.
 

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Those are separate issues that I don't agree with myself. Minnesota is a horribly run state. I think the Democrats immigration policies were horribly stupid and caused problems. But that doesn't mean that creating a modern day Gestapo who break into homes and businesses and conduct enforcement actions illegally is the right answer for these issues. And it's appalling that so many on the right excuse and encourage illegal use of law enforcement just because it supports their political agenda.

With that being said, you righty Republicans, conservatives, MAGA... whatever you call yourselves, you love being hypocrites. I thought that Republicans were the party of state's rights and small government?

And yet you support creating and empowering a modern day Gestapo, a gang of federal agents who overstep their authority and break into people's homes and businesses without legal documentation or due process. And recently, shooting and killing people for no excusable reason. I don't know how you excuse any of that, unless you're just a morally reprehensible person that I would never want to associate with.
Yep I support doing all of that to get criminals.
 
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It's odd, I didn't see you pop in and argue against illegals or show a single iota of compassion for the nursing student that was killed by an illegal POS. Where were her rights? Where was her due process? What about her family? What about the rest of the Americans that died at the hands of illegals?

The criminal illegals are what ICE is trying to to eradicate but the bleeding heart Aholes are obstructing and committing felonious acts because they want to protect illegal criminals over Americans.

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Bingo. Guys posting on here defending those criminals are doing it for one reason. It’s all about hating Trump. They support everything against Trump. I never once saw a post from them during Obama when a total of 56 illegals died while in border patrol/ice detention.
 
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Bingo. Guys posting on here defending those criminals are doing it for one reason. It’s all about hating Trump. They support everything against Trump. I never once saw a post from them during Obama when a total of 56 illegals died while in border patrol/ice detention.
Back then there were mods at this lame place.
 
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Neither one was an imminent threat to the life of the officers who shot them, which should be and is the standard for the use of lethal force by law enforcement. Bad decisions were made on both sides, but that doesn't excuse improper use of force that resulted in death in both instances. I don't know how you can call that anything else other than murder.
You have zero idea what they believed was an imminent threat. After all……he was resisting arrest while in possession of a gun and two clips of ammo. As far as we know it was suicide by cop scenario.
 
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UltimateGarageHusker

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Honestly I never followed that story and don't know much about it and so I can't comment on it. Yes I think letting criminal and unrestricted illegals in was incredibly stupid by the Democrat party. And yes, I think criminal immigrants should be punished to the full extent of our laws and/or deported. I never denied that.

But you're making a red herring argument that isn't true. No one is up in arms about criminal aliens being deported. What they're protesting is families being torn apart, and illegal methods and excessive use of force of detaining otherwise law-abiding immigrants at their homes and place of business.
Do you even read what you write. There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal. As for breaking up families. I have no problem with the kids accompanying the parents back to Mexico. And by the way, there has never been excessive force used on an illegal that has volunteered to return to their homeland or has peacefully surrendered.
 

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Yes the situation demands split second decisions, and I'm not denying they were tense situations. But law enforcement agents made the wrong decision in both cases, and they should face the full consequences of those wrong decisions.
They should be given the benefit of a doubt when the aggressor was in possession of a deadly weapon and resisting arrest.
 

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Do you even read what you write. There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal. As for breaking up families. I have no problem with the kids accompanying the parents back to Mexico. And by the way, there has never been excessive force used on an illegal that has volunteered to return to their homeland or has peacefully surrendered.
THANK YOU!

If you come here illegally, you broke the law. Just like if I tried to go live in another country illegally, I would be breaking the law. Even if I was a good person.
 
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I'm not going to engage with the rest of your post... but now the right wants to throw the 2nd amendment in the trash when it doesn't suit their narrative. Talk about hypocrites. And Kash Patel being a commie saying guns aren't allowed at all at a protest. Despite the same Trumptards worshipping their teen boy hero Kyle Rittenhouse when he did the same thing, taking a loaded gun to a protest.
Trump 2028. Thumbs 👍
 

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THANK YOU!

If you come here illegally, you broke the law. Just like if I tried to go live in another country illegally, I would be breaking the law. Even if I was a good person.
There are multiple stipulations to having a concealed carry permit in most states. No doubt Minnesota’s rules are more stringent than Nebraska’s. My guess is that concealed carrying to a protest, failing to carry said CCP on his person, failing to inform law enforcement that he had a gun, failing to provide ID when asked by law enforcement were ALL violations of the conditions of his CCP. Now in South Dakota residents don’t need a permit to concealed carry but there are still rules when you do it.
 

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Honestly, was this site even around when Obama was president?

Aren't you the fireman and you are saying that training can't help? Good lord.

Okay, so just to recap. ICE training, doesn't work. But the training for the left DOES work? So that dude that was shot by ICE, he was trained to keep his cool, get pinned down, start to resist like a fish out of water AND get a shot off...so his training worked?
You can’t train human emotions that experience natural defensive reactions. The more they are around agitators the more they learn to fear them and feel the need to defend themselves.
 

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I agree. I would also be okay with LEO killing someone in my family to get to a criminal. I am glad we finally agree on something.
If my family member took the time to drive to a riot, interfere with law enforcement, resist arrest while carrying a pistol and 2 extra clips…..I wouldn’t like the results but I’d recognize why.