POLL: Should this season be Tom Brands last as HC at Iowa?
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Take a closer look now, there are QUITE A FEW PSU and non-Iowa fans that voted yes as well. I don't think this site has near as many TRUE Iowa fans as you guys would like to believe...
You say polls are dumb, but, goodness, it's your posts that sure seem dumb, the last being non sequitur.
As FF141 said, blaming the coaches for the ticky tack way the wrestlers were treated for damn near the most benign "gambling" is beyond comical. If this would have been done nationally at the same level as it was done in Iowa, I would think you would have a harder time finding a team NOT guilty at some level, than finding teams that were...
It would be nice to have an Iowa coach who spoke intelligently. Listening to Tom trip over words is such a poor reflection on the University.
With the $$$ they're making, they sure as hell aren't leaving on their own.
It would be nice if you would leave. You are a poor reflection on Penn State.
Both can be true. I'm more of a Misa Lorales guy myself
I thought a 3rd poll might needed that is prefaced with "If you were a true Hawkeye wrestling fan,..." in order to at least cull out a few honest PSU trolls and specious contrarians from the "No" vote.
The poll is open until March 26, a few days after nationals, so there's some time to ruminate on it.
I'll be curious to see what the votes are by then.
The trolls will vote anyway.
Why do trolls have so much time on their hands? The ones singing in "Trolls" and "Trolls 2" had some serious $#!+ to deal with like invaders and intolerance of others' musical tastes.
The PSU trolls are so addicted to the euphoric feelings of being a dynasty and crushing Iowa, that they now just can't get enough victories to stay "high." They also must feed their addiction by gleefully watching and participating in helping us poor Iowa fans suffer, as we admit we are dominated.
It's a hell of a drug.
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Some do so seem to relish in the schadenfreude of Iowa's present situation.
The PSU trolls are so addicted to the euphoric feelings of being a dynasty and crushing Iowa, that they now just can't get enough victories to stay "high." They also must feed their addiction by gleefully watching and participating in helping us poor Iowa fans suffer, as we admit we are dominated.
It's a hell of a drug.
See even the she-Troll is checking her watch. There's much to be done and little time for Troll folly.
Sometimes replacing a coach isn’t about whether they’re good or bad, it’s just time for a change. Kind of like a job… sometimes both sides need a fresh start.
That’s really why Andy Reid left Philly. It was time, and everyone knew he’d be great in KC. Same idea with guys like Tomlin, Harbaugh, and McDermott ... all good coaches, but at some point change can be the right move.
The Brands are great coaches too, and if they end up somewhere else, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see that program get revitalized and take off.
But for Iowa and the Brands, it really does feel like it might be time for a change ... probably the best outcome for both sides.
That’s really why Andy Reid left Philly. It was time, and everyone knew he’d be great in KC. Same idea with guys like Tomlin, Harbaugh, and McDermott ... all good coaches, but at some point change can be the right move.
The Brands are great coaches too, and if they end up somewhere else, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see that program get revitalized and take off.
But for Iowa and the Brands, it really does feel like it might be time for a change ... probably the best outcome for both sides.
I doubt if they were to go to another big time program that it would suddenly take off, much like if Belichik comes back to the NFL, he will flop spectacularly the way Carroll did this year. The Brands' legacy is already cemented - many NCAA championships, world championships, Tom's gold, Terry's bronze, all of the championships as coaches. They are and will always be legends in the sport, probably in the next tier just below the Cael/Gable/Hodge Mt. Rushmore tier of American wrestling. But the sport has evolved so quickly in the last 15 years that they are not at the zenith anymore. That's the reason a change is necessary in the first place.
Not mention, they still have more passion for the sport than many young coaches do
I agree. If they arent able to do it at iowa anymore it wont happen elsewhere. Yes the legend staus for both are secure! I’ve mentioned it before just the way that both Tom and Terry wrestle that I know the way that they coach they’ve gotta be just as frustrated as all of us as far as athletes performances. I can’t imagine either one of them teaching, stalling and no offense. I’m not sure what creates this pull back with the wrestlers but it certainly isn’t Tom and Terry‘s Approach to wrestling. Sometimes it blows me away when Tom keeps saying these are our guys if they’re not embracing his style. I do think his style still works today even with all the funk. I think Tom and interior too of a very few from back in the 90s and 80s that would still win today.
The style doesn't work anymore. That is the problem. The Gable school of which Tom & Terry are clearly adherents is constant aggression and physicality, but the technical side of the sport has evolved to the point where everything has a counter and everything has an answer. Even if you get in deep, there's a counter to get into a scramble and neutralize it. The Gable/Brands school hasn't adapted to that and are still stuck on "just be more aggressive and physical than the other guy and it'll all work out", but when it doesn't, the natural reaction is to go into a shell. Askren was talking on a podcast recently how he's noticed this year a really subtle new technique that Penn State is using to neutralize the scrambles and finish takedowns right away and that's he's been starting to teach it to his students. So, the Penn State technique clinic is two or more steps ahead already and Tom is still `up there saying "we just have to be more aggressive and not allow ourselves to be stalked", like it's that simple when the competition has a technique to counter anything and everything.
I think this is accurate. I also think there’s a danger in turning PSU into some kind of supernatural boogeyman. They’re clearly head and shoulders above everyone else right now, but the things they’re doing CAN BE TAUGHT. Instead of sitting around saying “there’s no way to catch them,” Iowa needs to be finding the next innovators who will advance and change the sport the way PSU has done
^^^ this... thanks to Tom's leadership and the many generous donors we do have the greatest facilities in the world for wrestling, now its (painfully) obvious we need changes to innovate and run them down and become the leaders again. And its not just money, although it never hurts
"...turning PSU into some kind of supernatural boogeyman"
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It is a very rare wrestling mind (David Carr) who can lose by tech fall to the best PSU guy (Mitchel Messenbrink) and a short time later beat that same guy in two straight matches. I have no idea what David will do in the future but he has that crazy wrestling mind very few people have. I think both Mesinbrink and KOT share some of this as well. Nolf sort of proved it too when he suddenly was able to develop head/hand defense when he won his one legged title. Some people are athletic freaks while some are mental freaks. Some are both. This has nothing to do with anything so carry on.
Here’s a thought, why does the media covering the Hawkeyes soft walk and lob Tom lame inoffensive questions instead of probing the problems head on. Tom should have to explain to his faithful just what’s going on? Remember when Tom first came to Iowa he had expectations and we won Championships and champions. It’s up to Tom to get down to business and self reflect whether he has the ability to make the changes that he alone must make!
He won’t answer any difficult questions anyways and he becomes confrontational if not standoffish when he gets questions he doesn’t like.
If I were part of the press pool I would get everyone to not ask a single question and let the silence be deafening.
I voted no because I actually agree with @MSU158 a lot on this one. See how things end up in March and go from there.
I don’t give a rats *** how they speak; I just need them to make our men competitive and a little excitement wouldn’t hurt either!
If we lose another dual meet this year, which is likely the votes will only get worse. We really need some guys to turn the corner and pull it together if for no other reason than to show TNT they will give it all to save the season.
I don't see us beating tOSU. Without Endeme, solid chance we lose to Okie state too.
The answers he does give aren't difficult ones, either. When he was asked what they have to do to slow down Penn State, his answer was get more aggressive with head slaps so they can't stalk us to the edge of the mat. That's like a 1985 wrestling answer, and it speaks volumes.
The Brands Brothers were pretty damn good scramblers too. Ya know why? Cause they didn't concede **** and kept moving. Their teams lack both of those traits, and the ability to finish quickly if they happen to take a shot.