FC/OT: This is hard to admit.

[DaytonRickster]

I don’t mean to sound naive, but was clempson one of the big bagman offenders?

Clemson had the IPTAY Club (I Pay a Thousand a Year) at one time and then it was actually boosters paying more than a thousand per year to IPTAY. IPTAY was designated as a booster club for the athletic department but it was well known in SC that Clemson players were getting money from bagmen. USCe had their own bag men as did all the SEC Schools.

 

[LionJim]

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[razpsu]

But Dabo Swinney was right. At least on accident; paying players has made college football an absolute sh*tshow. I'm kind of digging his Pinstripe Bowl interviews - seems to give two f*cks about players opting out or whatever. This will be a fun game.

What is funny is now that all the money is out in the open, bama and Clemson not so great anymore.

 

[84lion]

The 'intent' of NIL was for student athletes to make money on commercials, jersey sales, etc. Im sure that when a player does a commercial, there is a contract or stipulations to that deal. If Drew Allar was getting a free vehicle, I kow the dealer had him sign something in regard to what Drew was expected to do for the dealer. So yes contracts need to be part of the paying of the players

Indeed. Wonder how the NIL deals for money from colleges are contracted? Hard to really specify "performance" in a contract given the variables (injury, poor coaching, difficult opponents, etc.). If a kid isn't cutting it on the field, and the coach benches him, doesn't that affect his performance in the NIL deal (who wants a jersey from a bench warmer)?

As far as the bowl games, I see those going away...when the audience isn't there. Right now, ESPN owns the postseason, so whether the bowls continue is really up to them. This, more than anything else, is most likely what will expand the playoffs.

 

[step.eng69]

I could be wrong but I think the court decision held that the NCAA and schools couldn’t prevent athletes from earning money while in school from legitimate business opportunities or use them for promotions without compensation. However, as Dabo says and you point out this has become a bleep show with schools basically having a budget and paying players to play and has little or nothing to do with genuine business opportunities.

I was under the impression that the colleges could spend a limited amount to the athletes from the athletic funds, Penn State is around 20 million a year.

 

[RolexKong]

ESPN Networks Deliver Record College Football Viewership at the Midway Point of the Season, College GameDay Continues on Historic Run - ESPN Press Room

ESPN is delivering its strongest college football season in more than 15 years, scoring record audiences across ABC, ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU. Through nine weeks, ESPN networks are averaging 2.3 million viewers per game, their largest audience since 2009 and an increase of 20 percent year-over-year.

espnpressroom.com

"Record breaking", if you want to call it that, for ESPN and/or ABC in metrics that they concoct for themselves. You should sit in on a Disney earnings call when some analyst asks, as they always do, whether they make money on specific contracts. Responses are pretty entertaining.

 

[step.eng69]

I picture Matt Campbell, freezing his a$$ off, watching this game and exclaiming “Why?!” over and over.

Hey.....Miss Debbie Downer

If the sun is shining and little wind, could make for a great day for a game, especially a 12:00 start.
Am I going.......F*CK NO....TOO COLD

 

[RolexKong]

I understand that courts allowed payers to get a legitimate job just like any other student athlete. But now most of the NIL money is a flat out grift. That doesn't seem consistent with the court's decision. When NIL first started it was supposed to be independent from the school. The player would make his own deal just like any student could go find a job on his/her own. What changed?

FIFY.

You are correct. NCAA was supposed to set up a clearinghouse run by Deloitte that would review NIL contracts for commercial legitimacy. Never happened. Wonder why.

 

[RolexKong]

Clemson had the IPTAY Club (I Pay a Thousand a Year) at one time and then it was actually boosters paying more than a thousand per year to IPTAY. IPTAY was designated as a booster club for the athletic department but it was well known in SC that Clemson players were getting money from bagmen. USCe had their own bag men as did all the SEC Schools.

IPTAY was originally "I Pay Ten A Year." but that; was when int was set-up in 1934.

 

[Midnighter]

FIFY.

You are correct. NCAA was supposed to set up a clearinghouse run by Deloitte that would review NIL contracts for commercial legitimacy. Never happened. Wonder why.

It did happen and does exist. It’s just ignored and/or easy to work around.

College Sports Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.

www.espn.com

 

[Psumatt85]

I understand that courts allowed payers to get a legitimate job just like any other student athlete. But now most of the NIL money is a flat out gift. That doesn't seem consistent with the court's decision. When NIL first started it was supposed to be independent from the school. The player would make his own deal just like any student could go find a job on his/her own. What changed?

Greed, and lack of any control

 

[Nitt1300]

Bigger stadiums, luxury boxes, higher and higher ticket prices- none of that was driven by players.

This is on the fans who wanted winning above everything.

Going to class, decent behavior, becoming good citizens- all that used to matter once. I seem to remember an old Italian coach who cared about such things. Nobody does now.

 

[BobPSU92]

Bigger stadiums, luxury boxes, higher and higher ticket prices- none of that was driven by players.

This is on the fans who wanted winning above everything.

Going to class, decent behavior, becoming good citizens- all that used to matter once. I seem to remember an old Italian coach who cared about such things. Nobody does now.

Cash money is the worst.

 

[PSUFTG]

"Record breaking", if you want to call it that, for ESPN and/or ABC in metrics that they concoct for themselves. You should sit in on a Disney earnings call when some analyst asks, as they always do, whether they make money on specific contracts. Responses are pretty entertaining.

Yep.

And anyone with familiarity has to - I believe - expect that very soon the media folks are going to become rather forceful wrt demanding much more decent product (not loads of games between Ohio State and Rutgers or PSU and Purdue etc)

At some point that likely means not only "selective scheduling" (more good v good) but also cutting loose some of the flotsam programs.... "conference" membership driven by (or at least influenced by) media "partners".

 

[Tgar]

I don’t think anyone would deny the truth of what Dabo was saying but it wasn’t something that could have been prevented. Paying players was going to happen. The US is a capitalistic society, gotta take the good with the bad, and paying college players is hardly the worst aspect of this society.

Paying players is fine. Letting them create a new system while the adults were arguing with each other ( or ignoring each other ) about how to put guard rails in place is ruining this and other college sports. It is what it is.

 

[Catch1lion]

Bigger stadiums, luxury boxes, higher and higher ticket prices- none of that was driven by players.

This is on the fans who wanted winning above everything.

Going to class, decent behavior, becoming good citizens- all that used to matter once. I seem to remember an old Italian coach who cared about such things. Nobody does now.

Bad behavior by players, and cheating/rules violations by coaches are largely the teams winning . It’s outta control .

 

[EricLAllen]

Wonder what they stole. Probably something stupid.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

I don’t think anyone would deny the truth of what Dabo was saying but it wasn’t something that could have been prevented. Paying players was going to happen. The US is a capitalistic society, gotta take the good with the bad, and paying college players is hardly the worst aspect of this society.

Paying these clowns is a slap in the face to all who played before.

 

[Knickslions69]

Paying these clowns is a slap in the face to all who played before.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Bad behavior by players, and cheating/rules violations by coaches are largely the teams winning . It’s outta control .

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Troll likes the other troll's garbage.

 

[PSUForever]

There are negative consequences like any hope that these players are student athletes is out the window. Also that they can just bolt at a minute's notice.

With that said there are some good things. The biggest in my mind is you now can have an Indiana or a Vanderbilt emerge. Although Indiana's ascension is more portal and great coaching but I do think Cuban is helping them with NIL. It is refreshing to not see Bama in the championship game every year because they have every 5 star recruit out of high school which was the only way to procure talent and they paid them behind the scenes to boot. Can't compete against that.

 

[PSUForever]

Bad behavior by players, and cheating/rules violations by coaches are largely the teams winning . It’s outta control .

Yeah with Georgia, Smart seems to escape any criticism about why there are so many off the field problems. He wins and so no one bothers to scrutinize that his program is essentially the modern day "the U".

 

[Ludd]

There are negative consequences like any hope that these players are student athletes is out the window. Also that they can just bolt at a minute's notice.

With that said there are some good things. The biggest in my mind is you now can have an Indiana or a Vanderbilt emerge. Although Indiana's ascension is more portal and great coaching but I do think Cuban is helping them with NIL. It is refreshing to not see Bama in the championship game every year because they have every 5 star recruit out of high school which was the only way to procure talent and they paid them behind the scenes to boot. Can't compete against that.

The down side is big football schools are going to make it almost impossible for their basketball team to ever field a competitive team and vice versa. For example, Kentucky spent something like 85% of their NIL budget on basketball. Didn’t leave much left for football.

 

[Bob78]

“College” Football

"Prollegiate" athletics is the proper term.

 

[G3624]

Just remember, Pennsylvania is NOT a right to work state.

 

[Catch1lion]

The down side is big football schools are going to make it almost impossible for their basketball team to ever field a competitive team and vice versa. For example, Kentucky spent something like 85% of their NIL budget on basketball. Didn’t leave much left for football.—-addendum by Catch - GPT had it at 45% of the $20 mill fund , meanwhile PSU was 9%.

NIL spending in basketball

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[rigi19040]

Yeah with Georgia, Smart seems to escape any criticism about why there are so many off the field problems. He wins and so no one bothers to scrutinize that his program is essentially the modern day "the U".

And most fans would love it at their school.


The fire Franklin crowd did not care about GPA

 

[Nittering Nabob]

I don’t mean to sound naive, but was clempson one of the big bagman offenders?

Are you suggesting that Coach Christian Choir Boy isn't like he seems?

 

[KingLando]

In other words, not the talent.

Lawyers are talented in their own right

 

[KingLando]

As of April 15, 2025 - Most watched College Football Games of All Time

Ranking	Year	Results	Matchup	Reported U.S. Viewership
1	2006	Texas (41) vs USC (38)	Rose Bowl – BCS National Championship game	35.6 million
2	2015	Ohio St (42) vs Oregon (20)	College Football Playoff National Championship	34.1 million
3	2010	Alabama (37) vs Texas (21)	BCS National Championship game	30.8 million
4	1993	Alabama (34) vs Miami (13)	Sugar Bowl – BCS National Championship game	30.1 million
5	1995	Nebraska (24) vs Miami (17)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	30 million
6	1991	Colorado (10) vs Notre Dame (9)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	29.6 million
7	2003	Ohio St (31) vs Miami (24)	Fiesta Bowl – BCS National Championship game	29.1 million
8	1998	Michigan (21) vs Washington St (16)	Rose Bowl	29 million
9	1994	Florida St (18) vs Nebraska (16)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	28.8 million
10	2007	Florida (41) vs Ohio St (14)	BCS National Championship game	28.8 million

Most watched is tricky though because there's so many alternative ways to watch these days--not everyone has cable
But FBS TV ratings are insanely good right now

 

[KingLando]

Yeah with Georgia, Smart seems to escape any criticism about why there are so many off the field problems. He wins and so no one bothers to scrutinize that his program is essentially the modern day "the U".

Winning does make concerns disappear but Smart generally disciplines his guys.
I think more people simply accept 18-22 year old kids do stupid things and Georgia takes a lot of risks on kids--that pays off big times but has these negatives as well

 

[KingLando]

The fire Franklin crowd did not care about GPA

I wasn't a "Fire Franklin" guy until the NW loss but who cares about GPA?
The key is giving players the opportunity to get an education--it's their job to use the resources available to them to have success
If they decide not to--that's on them

 

[Nittering Nabob]

The fire Franklin crowd did not care about GPA

I quit caring about Franklin and his GPA the day after he was announced as PSU's head coach.

WE ARE BETTER....Franklin's gone.

 

[rigi19040]

I wasn't a "Fire Franklin" guy until the NW loss but who cares about GPA?
The key is giving players the opportunity to get an education--it's their job to use the resources available to them to have success
If they decide not to--that's on them

Most don't have time to get an education. Sports is a full time job.

 

[rigi19040]

I quit caring about Franklin and his GPA the day after he was announced as PSU's head coach.

WE ARE BETTER....Franklin's gone.

Maybe.


You are still making the same mistakes. You round everything up.

Rounding up, Campbell is only a 7-5 coach the last 10 years.

 

[KingLando]

Most don't have time to get an education. Sports is a full time job.

They have plenty of time to if they want to

 

[PSUForever]

Winning does make concerns disappear but Smart generally disciplines his guys.
I think more people simply accept 18-22 year old kids do stupid things and Georgia takes a lot of risks on kids--that pays off big times but has these negatives as well

Nice positive spin for Kirby. You can say he has a lack of discipline running through the program but like I said he wins so nobody cares that much what is happening with his players off the field. If he just came off his 3rd straight 8-4 season then it probably is viewed differently.

 

[KingLando]

Nice positive spin for Kirby. You can say he has a lack of discipline running through the program but like I said he wins so nobody cares that much what is happening with his players off the field. If he just came off his 3rd straight 8-4 season then it probably is viewed differently.

No one cares about that in general when any team is having success. When a coach starts losing its only brought up to help the argument to get rid of them.
Honestly we're dealing with young kids...they're going to do stupid things...the question is how stupid. I don't blame any coach for that.
Remember Zordich getting an underage like 5 months after a DUI. Kids are stupid. You just hope they learn before they do something so stupid you can no longer try to help.

 

[LionJim]

Lawyers are talented in their own right

They are. Pro tip: don’t skimp on a lawyer if you need one.

 

[helixville]

As of April 15, 2025 - Most watched College Football Games of All Time

Ranking	Year	Results	Matchup	Reported U.S. Viewership
1	2006	Texas (41) vs USC (38)	Rose Bowl – BCS National Championship game	35.6 million
2	2015	Ohio St (42) vs Oregon (20)	College Football Playoff National Championship	34.1 million
3	2010	Alabama (37) vs Texas (21)	BCS National Championship game	30.8 million
4	1993	Alabama (34) vs Miami (13)	Sugar Bowl – BCS National Championship game	30.1 million
5	1995	Nebraska (24) vs Miami (17)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	30 million
6	1991	Colorado (10) vs Notre Dame (9)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	29.6 million
7	2003	Ohio St (31) vs Miami (24)	Fiesta Bowl – BCS National Championship game	29.1 million
8	1998	Michigan (21) vs Washington St (16)	Rose Bowl	29 million
9	1994	Florida St (18) vs Nebraska (16)	Orange Bowl – National Championship game	28.8 million
10	2007	Florida (41) vs Ohio St (14)	BCS National Championship game	28.8 million

Didn't the 87 PSU/Miami Fiesta Bowl have 70 million viewers?