No architecture major/school has been a long-time miss for RU. Not many universities have one.
OT: College enrollment and financial issues?
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Yeah, the academic ranking thing gets abused and misinterpreted a lot, especially on sports message boards.
I suppose it's okay to be proud of being #54 instead of #57, or whatever, but who really knows what that really means? Some folks seem to believe (or at least imply) that a school with a triple digit ranking is replete with barefoot students attending lectures given by gas station attendants, and doing their work on a piece of slate or in coloring books.
The truth is, in my opinion, that most of us could spend the rest of our lives on any college campus, even community college, and never run out of knowledge to acquire...
If not many universities have an architecture major, maybe there's a reason and not enough demand? I always wondered why more schools don't have it.
Demand has been historically poor and salaries not commensurate at least since the Great Recession.
If you look at other measures like average SAT you're going to see RU and UMD significantly ahead of most of the Northeastern publics. It's not like this is an outlier.
Sure, there's always more knowledge to gain about a lot of things. What I'd say is that 5 foreign languages at Clemson versus dozens at RU shows a sizable gap in what's available.
That some NJ parents would say "oh but the campuses in the South are prettier" or talk about athletics (we beat Clemson twice in MBB in recent memory including in the tournament) IMO is silly in half the cases and an outright facade in others to mask other "concerns" they have.
Why is it always the NJ parents? You don't think the kids and guidance counselors have something to do with? Back in the day, and actually still true to an extent, a lot of kids went to Vermont. Good school, but also a high correlation to kids who ski.
Years ago there was an article in the NY Times about Indiana and how good of a college town Bloomington is and how nice the campus looked.
Needless to say, the Hoosiers became the popular destination for awhile around here.
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Anyone know when the next US News rankings come out? They usually come out in September every year.
Well I'm going to go out on a limb and say the average HS student sees at least one parent/guardian more often than his or her guidance counselor.
I would bet if you look at the numbers...the VT number is down for NJ students, even if not low, relative to where it was.
And that petered out. Like Vermont it was popular in the millennial era. That ended.
I can think of a few reasons. Gen X doesn't want to retire to Indiana. Indiana requires more than a pulse for admission. Indiana isn't associated with fancy frat and sorority houses (maybe unfairly) and other facilities that would look great on TikTok. It doesn't have the reputation that many Southern schools have on social media. And on.
My parents generation is still befuddled by the internet, not so for yours. And mine remembers a time without the internet, not so the current.
I saw that a set of rankings came out recently, but after checking it turned out to be by Forbes. I guess there's lots of these rankings out there...
Both are still popular for the reasons mentioned by @mdk02 and myself. Burlington and Bloomington are nice places to put down roots for a few years as a undergrad. Fun towns for what they are.
Do you really think many students stay in South Bend, Ann Arbor, Chapel Hill or Nashville after graduation?
Indiana does have a Greek culture, can’t speak for Vermont.
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VT never made sense to me. It's expensive, cold, kind of run down, limited greek life, full of earth crunchers, sports are limited outside the hockey fans, and really doesnt' carry any academic weight.
IU on the other hand, night and day. Good school with some GREAT programs, sports, fantastic greek life, nice area, great recruiting upon graduation etc etc....
NJ suffers from success
NJ schools are regarded highly by college admissions and NJ parents, for the most part, can afford to send their kids to other schools out of state. NJ also doesn't have the 'head start like programs' that lock you in.
athletics matter
when I was looking for schools, PSU, OSU, Clemson were safety schools and degree mills. If these schools had no quality athletic programs, I doubt theyd' get half the out of state apps.
9% is lower than in the past but is still significant. And while they talk to their parents more than guidance counselors, they also talk to peers.
My guess is you don't ski. And it's been over a generation, but Burlington was not run down back in the days when I visited. And while academics are not at a UVA and UNC level, they're better than you imply.
And don’t forget, their football team has been undefeated since 1974…
And in an early edition of the transfer portal, their QB (who was good) got interest from a lot of Northeast D1 schools (which was both FBS & FCS back then) for his senior year.
Lol I ski and I learned to ice fish on mallets bay. I know the area and school intimately. it's run down, dirty and poor academic rep
I don't dispute they are fun. But they are not playing on social media the way the Southern schools are.
I would say in the case of the latter two, yeah, Research Triangle and Nashville sure. The other two, Chicago, which is an overall magnet for most of the B1G. While Detroit is better than what is was, the number of college grads moving to Chicago from pretty much every Midwestern state is staggering. The Iowa percentage I saw was absolutely wild.
I think there's a big dynamic difference though at play here. At a school like Michigan or ND you are going to have a lot students going into Big 4 or finance or similar jobs that are basically only going to be in NYC, Chicago, LA, maybe Boston or DC. I don't think you're having that at Clemson. RU is going to be closer to the former than the latter. There are just not a plethora of white collar college educated jobs in a state like SC. NC or GA, yes.
Idk how big skiing is with the Gen Z set
For one, hard to ski and be on TikTok at the same time.
Even the Cult is being harmed I think by TikTok and Gen X parents pushing warm weather. That and seems like a like PA HS are sending less kids to college. Their numbers are absolutely abysmal and thus their rankings are falling behind ours significantly now.
Athletics matter to some extent but then Gen Z also seems to really like College of Charleston or U of Tampa, a lot of it is look at me on TikTok at some warm weather party when it's cold at home with beautiful people, and not what people pre-smartphone thought of as exciting and cool. Also with more women going to college now it's going to have decreasing importance until parents start telling boys to get off their butts again.
For one, hard to ski and be on TikTok at the same time.
Even the Cult is being harmed I think by TikTok and Gen X parents pushing warm weather. That and seems like a like PA HS are sending less kids to college. Their numbers are absolutely abysmal and thus their rankings are falling behind ours significantly now.
Athletics matter to some extent but then Gen Z also seems to really like College of Charleston or U of Tampa, a lot of it is look at me on TikTok at some warm weather party when it's cold at home with beautiful people, and not what people pre-smartphone thought of as exciting and cool. Also with more women going to college now it's going to have decreasing importance until parents start telling boys to get off their butts again.
A lot of it has to do with what the kid's goals are, which at times do, and other times don't, align with the parents goals
In our case, our 10 year old daughter is an only child; although it's early, I'd bet she'll likely commute to a smaller school, or possibly do 2 years of a c.c. first before setting in on a 4 year option
If we were going to stay in NJ, that'd likely mean 2 years at Brookdale, then 2 more at a Monmouth / TCNJ smaller school feel
Since the plan is to move to FL, if I were a betting man, I'd assume she'll do 2 years at TCC followed by hopefully FSU (as we'll he homesteaded in by then for instate tuition, and it's easier to get in there as a junior rather than as a freshman due to less applicants and proving you can handle the college curriculum)
Now, if she weren't an only child, or was a boy, or we didn't have aspirations to move to FL, things could, and likely would, be different
Or, if she somehow got into Princeton, plans would obviously change, as you typically don't say no to Princeton
In our case, our 10 year old daughter is an only child; although it's early, I'd bet she'll likely commute to a smaller school, or possibly do 2 years of a c.c. first before setting in on a 4 year option
If we were going to stay in NJ, that'd likely mean 2 years at Brookdale, then 2 more at a Monmouth / TCNJ smaller school feel
Since the plan is to move to FL, if I were a betting man, I'd assume she'll do 2 years at TCC followed by hopefully FSU (as we'll he homesteaded in by then for instate tuition, and it's easier to get in there as a junior rather than as a freshman due to less applicants and proving you can handle the college curriculum)
Now, if she weren't an only child, or was a boy, or we didn't have aspirations to move to FL, things could, and likely would, be different
Or, if she somehow got into Princeton, plans would obviously change, as you typically don't say no to Princeton
University of Tennessee is one that does. UT is becoming a hot school-skyrocketing applications. Saw something with the school President where she said they can’t build dorms fast enough because the interest in going to the school just keeps increasing. Similiar to the Grand Canyon University situation in Arizona.
School of Architecture - College of Architecture + Design
Why Architecture at UT? Here, you’ll be empowered to design your practice. Through drawing, modeling, fabrication, construction, and collaboration, you’ll create spaces that are informed by, and in turn impact societies, natures, and the world. Students here develop deep and lifelong...
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University of Tennessee is one that does. UT is becoming a hot school-skyrocketing applications. Saw something with the school President where she said they can’t build dorms fast enough because the interest in going to the school just keeps increasing. Similiar to the Grand Canyon University situation in Arizona.
School of Architecture - College of Architecture + Design
Why Architecture at UT? Here, you’ll be empowered to design your practice. Through drawing, modeling, fabrication, construction, and collaboration, you’ll create spaces that are informed by, and in turn impact societies, natures, and the world. Students here develop deep and lifelong...
Isn't Grand Canyon a for profit school?
not only that, but just every school in America had a surge in applications last year and it's expected to drop off. the 05-07 birth years plus Covid messed up the normal data give or take
"They're going to have to hit the cost side hard." A lot of that around academia. Although it's not an at risk school, Mitch Daniels didn't raise tuition during his tenure as President o Purdue so it can be done.[/url]
Messing with intl students will hit everyone in the p4 as well as small schools, but doesn't change the overall issue smaller schools were facing for a while now- there's just too many spots in some states (PA being a great example) and the costs are too high (smaller NJ private schools).
I wonder. I had lunch today with my brother-in-law, a very good golfer. He and his friends recently spent a week playing at Pinehurst. He went on to talk about a young guy he’s known since he was a caddie and made a point of seeing. Guy’s about 29 years old, went to Clemson for the golf program and now is the #2 at Pinehurst course 10.
If it’s your nephew - my BIL had praise for him.
Rider plans layoffs, pay cuts amid budget crisis
Rider University approved a sweeping restructuring plan to address financial challenges, cut costs and secure its long-term sustainability.
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If Rider is still alive 5 years from now it'd be a miracle. I question if they'll be alive 3 years from now. Any student there should be looking to transfer out immediately.Rider plans layoffs, pay cuts amid budget crisis
Rider University approved a sweeping restructuring plan to address financial challenges, cut costs and secure its long-term sustainability.
Hard to know, but it's not looking good without some serious cash infusion and more expense freezes and cuts. Would NJ try to force Rutgers, TCNJ, Rowan or Stockton to take it over? Would Princeton want to expand, or would DeVry be interested? Probably too expensive for a prep school to buy but who knows.
Could see Trenton forcing someone like Rutgers or TCNJ or Rowan to merge with or buy out Rider if worst comes to worst. I know in Philly the School of Sciences got merged with St. Joe's.
no way
Rutgers has it's own budget issues and the Board seems to be more focused on 'Rutgers Betterment' if you will.
all of these small private schools need to go away, it's better for Rutgers and NJ
the administrative costs are where the expenses have risen the most and fasted the past 20yrs. Colleges need to understand that no provost needs to earn 350k a year plus 4 assistants.
Rider isn’t a bad school at all and the average net cost is good for a private.
Nobody in NJ wins if Rider doesn’t solve its financial problems.
Nobody in NJ wins if Rider doesn’t solve its financial problems.
Fewer international students are enrolling at U.S. colleges, which could cost the country $1 billion, reports find
In the fall 2025 semester, new international student enrollment at U.S. institutions fell 17%, according to a recent report.
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