Where my free speech people at?
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I am remiss to go against Catturd but there's another side to the story that we should be paying attention to.
"His comments infuriated the military’s legal community.
“He uses sedition and treason very broadly and inappropriately,” said David Frakt, a retired air force officer and attorney in the judge advocate general (JAG) corps, the military justice branch. “The irony is that if anyone committed sedition or treason, it was the people that he urged to overthrow the government on January 6 [2021] – and you know, he pardoned all of those people and calls them patriots and martyrs and all the rest.”
The rhetoric of execution places the safety of lawmakers at risk, Frakt said. “I think all of those people are very likely in fear for their life now, not because Trump would actually prosecute them for something because they didn’t actually commit a crime … but that they’re the ‘enemy of the people,’ and [the administration is] going to go after them. They’re going to say, ‘Well, Trump will pardon me.’”
He expressed a shared anger with the Democrats in the video about the legal environment facing US service members, citing as an example the recent actions by the US government to blow up the vessels of alleged drug trafficking boats off the coast of Venezuela, in the Caribbean and Pacific, which he said is illegal and “not a close call in any way … it is laughable.”
Sinking these boats is “murder, not combat,” he said. “Adherence to the law is taking a back seat.”
“I think those are clearly unlawful orders, but for those that are dealing with this, they’re in a tough position, because the last thing that in my mind they want is to have this to be an issue in the criminal court, where a court system determines whether or not that’s a lawful order.”
Indeed, while military attorneys are outraged at Trump’s comments, some expressed concern for the fate of service members who take the burden of refusing an order upon themselves.
“If a service member thinks an order is unlawful, they can disobey it, but they disobey at their peril,” said Rachel VanLandingham, a law professor at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles and a retired air force lieutenant colonel who served as a military attorney.
Facing a questionable order, a service member’s first responsibility is to get clarification from their chain of command, she said. Following that, they should seek guidance from a military chaplain or a member of the judge advocate general’s corps.
However, given that one of the first acts of incoming secretary of defense Pete Hegseth was to fire or demoting legal advisors to the service branches, there are concerns that the JAG corps is becoming politicized, too."
‘Horribly wrong’: US veterans condemn Trump’s politicization of military
Experts infuriated by president accusing Democrats of ‘sedition’ for urging soldiers to refuse illegal orders
www.theguardian.com
Felony dropped after a man spent a month in a Tennessee jail for a Charlie Kirk post
Authorities in Tennessee have dropped a felony charge against Larry Bushart, who spent over a month in jail for a Facebook post about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.apnews.com
Free speech amirite?
I mean... Just quote the oath military members take and its an obvious case of you and maga are stupid.
What were the “mean things” she said? I don’t know much about this case. Tell me more about the person you’re defending.
I have faith in your google abilities. AI too.
Free speech is free speech. Even speech you don't like.
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I never had a problem with what they said. It's free speech. See how that works?
Just like Trumps response is free speech.
If someone actually ignores his orders and violates the law, then that is when they should be held accountable.
Mark Kelly is more of a decent, America loving patriot than Whiskey Pete will ever be and we all have his back. So bring it on @ssh0les - we will undo all of it after the mid-terms or after we kick the next maga candidate to the curb in 2028.
Why even post it if you’re not going to respond to follow up questions? “Google it” is a cop out
Pretending like you don't know and making someone else waste their time instead of googling yourself ...... is a cop out.
Google literally takes less than 1 second.
We all know google has a liberal bias. You brought this instance to the thread, why are you now unwilling to discuss it?
Im willing to discuss it. What would you like to discuss?
Do you believe her speech was protected under the law? You did make a thread about it after all. And now the cat's got your tongue.
I’m not sure what she did/said. Can you fill me in on the details and then I can comment.
Sure a black kid stole her stuff and she called him a "******".
Is that protected speech? Do you believe in free speech or not? You started a thread on it.
Need more context. She was charged with disorderly conduct. Was she being disorderly? What did the child steal that caused her to call them that?
He stole items out of her diaper bag at a playground.
Disorderly would be in the eye of the beholder. But can words be disorderly? There was no physical contact between anyone and nothing that in my eyes that would be considered disorderly.
This falls in the same category as the kid who said to Dave Portnoy "**** the Jews". Was he being disorderly? Of course not.
Both will be not guilty in the end.
Ole Fatpiggy just badly wants to be able to say the N word. He loves the hateful nature of MAGA where we use insults and slurs because " Free Speech"
Sure she shouldn't be prosecuted if that's all that happened, but I hope she never gets another job again for calling that child that vile name.
Interesting. So she’s not being charged with anything related to her speech, but rather with her conduct, which may or may not have been disorderly, based on who the beholder is.
Incorrect. Watch the video and tell me what you think was disorderly about it. (Nothing)
You could take the time to watch the 1 minute video. There is nothing disorderly about it.
What about the Portnoy video? Do you think that kid was being disorderly?
For someone who started a thread on free speech, you sure seem to only support speech you like.
I support the right to free speech, not the right to accost a 5 year old and yell the N word a bunch of times while flipping people off on children’s play ground. Seems pretty disorderly to me. I’m aware you support the speech and pine for the day that you can go call 5 year olds the N word and become some right wing folk hero.
Honestly had never even heard of the incident until you posted a tweet about it. Same with Portnoy thing, never heard of it. You’re just too chronically online for your own happiness.
So you don’t support free speech. Rich that you started a thread on it.
You just support speech you approve of. Your true colors shine through with that post.
Free speech is free speech.
there are a multitude of videos, millions, where I can show you conduct much more disorderly thank that and no one is held accountable.
Just face it, it’s speech you don’t like. You are a hypocrite.
@dbjork6317 dbdork was online enough to see this story and start a thread about it. lolFelony dropped after a man spent a month in a Tennessee jail for a Charlie Kirk post
Authorities in Tennessee have dropped a felony charge against Larry Bushart, who spent over a month in jail for a Facebook post about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
Just admit that you really, really, really want to use the N word
Sure when you admit that you are a hypocrite and you really really don’t believe in free speech.