OT: Franklin to Va Tech
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Pretty good job by VaTech to hone in on Franklin, decide he’s their guy, swoop in and get the deal done, especially given how active this upcoming coaching carousel will be with big big jobs open.
People with no understanding of law posting as to contract issues just makes one wonder what else they get paid to opine on that they had no idea about.
Unless specifically indicated, every person has a general duty to mitigate their damages, including looking for work. Penn st wasnt genius in getting a reduce buy out for new income earned. Also 9 million lump sum would have bene paid over ____Period.
Not a bad lump sum payout when a new position exist. These internet legal commenters might be interested to do the math as to the actual off set that would exist if they just let it play out-and compare that to the present value of 9 million.
Unless specifically indicated, every person has a general duty to mitigate their damages, including looking for work. Penn st wasnt genius in getting a reduce buy out for new income earned. Also 9 million lump sum would have bene paid over ____Period.
Not a bad lump sum payout when a new position exist. These internet legal commenters might be interested to do the math as to the actual off set that would exist if they just let it play out-and compare that to the present value of 9 million.
They’re aware of this. I think even most fans realize it but it’s an unknown what the new salary will be to figure out how much the buyout will be reduced by.
I’m sure it’ll come out soon enough how much VT paid him. I’d guess somewhere between 25-35M (probably towards the higher end) but we’ll see.
He took penn state to the national semifinals of the CFP…but keep saying that to yourself if it makes you feel better! RU would donate its collective both nuts to get anywhere near that level of success even without a GD field house!
Pretty sure every RU fan would sign up for the kind of winning Franklin brought to PSU
It has been said he can't win the big ones, but he wins enough of the little ones that show he's a winner
His record is 17-26 against ranked opponents shows he can coach , just might be a real good one instead of among the elite.
I don't like him, but can't claim he's a bad HC
VT got a good one in Franklin and he might be losing a little buyout money from PSU , but his Hokie salary probably will offset that and in the end it won't be a huge amount when all the money figures come out
And if a player or four rapes someone- he will also make sure to look the other way.,.just saying
This is too bad because i liked rooting for Virginia Tech after our pleasant experience there last season.
I called this one from the moment he was fired. Perfect location for him.
VT was @SS the past several years.
Franklin may do very well there. Nice paywalled article today from The Athletic ( a few snippets):
James Franklin’s fit at Virginia Tech is obvious in an ACC ripe for the taking
There is no Michigan or Ohio State in the ACC.
Dabo Swinney didn’t lose four games in a season from 2011-2022. He’s done it every year since and already has five losses this year. It seems clear his best days — and Clemson’s days as a perennial national title contender — are over.
The Seminoles are desperately hoping Mike Norvell can salvage a seven-win season and save them more than $50 million in a buyout they’re praying they don’t have to pay.
The Hurricanes have the league’s best roster, but Franklin has already won as many ACC titles as The U.
James Franklin’s fit at Virginia Tech is obvious in an ACC ripe for the taking
Virginia Tech, in a crowded, competitive coaching carousel, couldn’t have asked for a better option.
www.nytimes.com
You forgot the NIL money that Franklin requires as part of the package.
Don't know about NIL but they just increased their athletic department budget by 50M/yr for the next 5 years. So I'd expect their revenue sharing pool to go up.
Regarding "legitimate" NIL, I still wonder how much "legitimate" NIL most schools will have when these front loaded deals wear off. I heard on a pod though that some schools are using the workaround of corporate sponsors of the athletic department. Instead of money to the AD, it's being redirected to athletes as NIL. So that might be something that gets the NIL pool somewhat larger for some than it may have been otherwise with having to be "legitimate."
In 2024, VT's footbal operating budget was 40.98M and total football coaching staff salaries was 11.2M
Franklin with RU talent----
RU has in the last 5 years won the games they should and lost to more talented teams without the big upset
Did Franklin win the games he should have where more talented? Very surprised to see how great at RU some think Franklin would be.
RU has in the last 5 years won the games they should and lost to more talented teams without the big upset
Did Franklin win the games he should have where more talented? Very surprised to see how great at RU some think Franklin would be.
When it came to top 10 ranked programs he did leave a lot to be desired 4-21 I believe,1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams .
So that's why I think with his overall winning record he can be considered a good coach, but against the best he probes not to be among the elite.
As for how he'd fare as the RU FB HC, I think he might not bring the program to the heights many feel he would and
Rutgers would be an assured minor bowl competitor with an occasional shot getting a major bowl invite , but no way considered a playoff team .
Don't forget what he did at Vanderbilt.
The margin for victory/loss gets much narrower with the top teams.
Take 2024, for example, lost games by 1 score to top 5 teams:
Notre Dame (5) Lost 27-24
Oregon (1) Lost 45-37
Ohio State (4) Lost 20-13
2023:
Ohio State (3)- Lost 20-12
Michigan (3) Lost 24-15
Ole Miss (11) Lost 38-25
He did take a program with consecutive 2-10 records and make them a good program
3 years before he came to Vandy: Bob Johnson took them to the Music City Bowl and beating Boston College
Johnson's tenure at Vanderbilt was lauded for bringing a resurgence to a team that had long been dominated by its fellow members of the SEC, notably guiding the Commodores their first bowl game win in 53 years and first non-losing season since 1982.
But Bob did have an overall losing record as the Commodores HC
| 2002 | Vanderbilt | 2–10 | 0–8 | 6th (Eastern) | |
| 2003 | Vanderbilt | 2–10 | 1–7 | T–5th (Eastern) | |
| 2004 | Vanderbilt | 2–9 | 1–7 | T–5th (Eastern) | |
| 2005 | Vanderbilt | 5–6 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) | |
| 2006 | Vanderbilt | 4–8 | 1–7 | 6th (Eastern) | |
| 2007 | Vanderbilt | 5–7 | 2–6 | 6th (Eastern) | |
| 2008 | Vanderbilt | 7–6 | 4–4 | T–3rd (Eastern) | W Music City |
| 2009 | Vanderbilt | 2–10 | 0–8 | 6th (Eastern) | |
| Vanderbilt: | 29–66 | 12–52 |
And in his second year (maybe third?) he had them at 9-4, and repeated 9-4. Va Tech would be thrilled with such a result.
2nd and 3rd year 9-4 (24–15 with 11-13 conference for his 3 years))
He's a good coach and now that VT is planning to commit more funds towards the football program Franklin might succeed in the ACC where he failed in the B1G.
googling what VT is doing ( field house upgrade or new one isn't mentioned ):
AI said:
>Virginia Tech is supporting its football program better through
a combination of fundraising, increased funding from the athletic department budget, and facility upgrades. The "Reach for Excellence" campaign is raising $400 million, with a specific $30 million "Football Enhancement Fund" to bolster recruiting, coach salaries, and facilities, and an overall $229 million increase approved for athletics over four years. The university is also investing in student-athlete experience improvements, such as better nutrition, transportation, and lodging.
Financial and fundraising initiatives
- Reach for Excellence campaign: A $400 million fundraising effort to support various athletic initiatives, including a specific football enhancement fund.
- Football Enhancement Fund: A $30 million fund with immediate goals to improve facilities, bolter recruiting, and provide competitive compensation for coaches.
- Athletics budget increase: The Board of Visitors approved a $229 million increase in the athletic department budget over four years to help the program compete in the top third of the ACC.
Facility and player experience improvements
- Recruiting enhancement: The Football Enhancement Fund will improve visiting recruits' first impressions and provide better tools for recruiting analysts.
- Player development: Initiatives include locker room and training room upgrades, and a renovated player lounge.
- Student-athlete support: The plan aims to provide a first-class experience by improving things like nutrition, transportation, and lodging for student-athletes.
- Cassell Coliseum renovation: As part of the larger campaign, a major renovation of Cassell Coliseum is planned to improve the fan experience and add amenities. <
He did bring Penn State to the B1G Championship game, losing it to Oregon last year and made it to the National Championship playoff semi final game , losing to the imitation Irish.
So there's no reason to say he can make Frank Beamer's program into a playoff team and ACC champs .
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Franklin is actually a pretty good coach. Just not good enough to be elite. Also, he crossed the line into being a ****** person with what he did at Vandy
agree, I respect his coaching ability and agree it hasn't proven to be an elite one but he is a real good coach.
As a person , the less I say what I think the better, because his coaching is the only nice thing I have to say about him.
Contacted a sexual assault victim during her examination:
James Franklin focus of case filing
A new defense filing in the case involving rape charges against four former Vanderbilt players claims that current Penn State coach James Franklin contacted the alleged victim shortly after the incident.
www.espn.com
Then he changed his story:
Vandenburg and three other former players stand charged with raping an unconscious 21-year-old student in a campus dormitory on June 23, 2013.
Former Vandy coach James Franklin testifies, changes story in rape case
The former coach testified via a Skype video feed for less than 15 minutes.
www.usatoday.com
Deadspin | James Franklin Claims He Lied About Seeing Vanderbilt Rape Case Video
Deadspin | James Franklin Claims He Lied About Seeing Vanderbilt Rape Case Video
deadspin.com
Franklin said he did nothing wrong:
James Franklin's call to alleged Vandy rape victim not inappropriate | Sporting News
Penn State football coach James Franklin did nothing "inappropriate" in contacting the woman who claims four of Franklin's former players at Vanderbilt University raped her last year, a Tennessee prosecutor said Thursday.
www.sportingnews.com
Bottom line- I cannot make a statement that he did or did not, but they say he basically was in contact with the rape victim in an effort to have it all go away.
This along with evidence such as video and photos, call logs and text messages all disappearing. And that Franklin had told the players he had seen the video and later said that he had actually never seen any video and that he had just made that up.
Just a real scummy look for this ***...And it is amazing that a school like PSU(the biggest scummy sex scandal school in recent history) freaking hires him. Just crazy
This along with evidence such as video and photos, call logs and text messages all disappearing. And that Franklin had told the players he had seen the video and later said that he had actually never seen any video and that he had just made that up.
Just a real scummy look for this ***...And it is amazing that a school like PSU(the biggest scummy sex scandal school in recent history) freaking hires him. Just crazy
Contacted a sexual assault victim during her examination:
James Franklin focus of case filing
A new defense filing in the case involving rape charges against four former Vanderbilt players claims that current Penn State coach James Franklin contacted the alleged victim shortly after the incident.
Then he changed his story:
Vandenburg and three other former players stand charged with raping an unconscious 21-year-old student in a campus dormitory on June 23, 2013.
Former Vandy coach James Franklin testifies, changes story in rape case
The former coach testified via a Skype video feed for less than 15 minutes.www.usatoday.comDeadspin | James Franklin Claims He Lied About Seeing Vanderbilt Rape Case Video
Deadspin | James Franklin Claims He Lied About Seeing Vanderbilt Rape Case Video
Franklin said he did nothing wrong:
James Franklin's call to alleged Vandy rape victim not inappropriate | Sporting News
Penn State football coach James Franklin did nothing "inappropriate" in contacting the woman who claims four of Franklin's former players at Vanderbilt University raped her last year, a Tennessee prosecutor said Thursday.
Can't be. Anon has assured us that the SEC is pure as the driven snow and each team is blessed with more talent than most NFL teams
Let's not forget the negative recruiting he did during his first year at State Penn.
Quite honestly- I think every coach does negative recruiting, so , that doesn't bother me so much.
On TV with McAfee an hour or so ago, Franklin said he didn't need to ask. It's already there.