Jim Harbaugh
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Hypothetical: If Greg Schiano , who I believe has often spoken about his strong religious faith had done what Harbaugh did , what would have been the Rutgers response from this board? Furthermore I also have strong feelings that a large number of players at Rutgers lean towards a belief in God and religion. There will always be those who attempt to disparage others especially on their belief in religion it’s expected and welcomed.
A professor speaking to a class? Yes I have a problem with it. A professor speaking at a charity event or interview? No issue.
In a college class or in a grammar - high school school class? In a public school no… in a parochial school it goes with the landscape. However I do remember discussing world religions in a public high school class. All religions. People are afraid to maybe find out what they thought was inappropriate and a fairy tale actually stimulated a conversation without getting violent.
politics ruin everything. Have you all ever notice how easy it is to get along with people if you don't start talking politics?
Or just maybe he doesn't think the issue is complex at all. No need to parse words.
Not a Harbaugh fan in the least, but give him props on this one. I think his quote and the circumstance surrounding it is just fine.
Good hypothetical.
But since it's not HC Schiano, I have to mimic your own words:
"And this is Rutgers news?....... but why should Rutger’s fan board care about this. If it were one of our current or another’s current players then perhaps It would be relevant."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-liddel-injured.243441/post-5765695
I would imagine it would have a positive effect on recruiting, since a born individual has a better chance at choosing Michigan than a terminated one.
Because it speaks volumes about a specific type of Rutgers fan or alum . Schiano was a perfect example of why and the reality there are many more coaches, staffs and players who feel the same as Jim Harbaugh. See if you actually felt it wasn’t important then why respond at all. Phony , fake ,weakness is quite evident . As you claim It’s not important but it sure has set a tone for this board and country.
The issue here isn't whether abortion is "right" or "wrong" and those of you who are injecting that into this discussion should take it to the CE board, which is where this thread is headed if it keeps up.
I thought for the most part this was a civil discussion about his rights to express his opinion.
My 2 cents on this whole thing:
1. I am pro-choice
2. I dislike Jim Harbaugh
3. Jim Harbaugh is entitled to speak his beliefs, whether it be in public or private. His stance might steer some recruits away but I doubt it in any high volume, he wants to be their coach, not their father or religious figure (priest, rabbi, minister, imam, etc)
I thought for the most part this was a civil discussion about his rights to express his opinion.
My 2 cents on this whole thing:
1. I am pro-choice
2. I dislike Jim Harbaugh
3. Jim Harbaugh is entitled to speak his beliefs, whether it be in public or private. His stance might steer some recruits away but I doubt it in any high volume, he wants to be their coach, not their father or religious figure (priest, rabbi, minister, imam, etc)
Proud of my privilege as everyone should . I have had a great life and suspect from reading this board for over 15 years so have most others on here. The way you live and conduct your life is what is important to who it matters most … your family.
There are religions and people who believe in God that also support a woman’s right to have an abortion
Maybe it is to you. For others, not so much. Everybody sees things differently. That's what makes this place great. All views are allowed. Even those with which we disagree.
Sorry Tom there are a few but very few. Try again… the entire subject matter could have been resolved many years ago as they did in Europe to an extent. BTW Tom stop picking MSNBC talking points do your own research.
You mean if professors at Liberty and Hillsdale College said Harbaugh was wrong that opinion would be welcomed?
I applaud Harbaugh for speaking out as a private person expressing his beliefs, whether I agree with him or not. This country was formed on the basis of that freedom of speech, and, sadly, it seems our society is headed away from that.
Oh, so you're one of those accusing other of being Bornists huh?
Oh, so you're one of those accusing other of being Bornists huh?
The University of Michigan would be cited by both sides as of the most liberal schools in America and here is their HC for their flagship program expressing an extremely conservative view.
If conservatives are so silenced it sure is odd how they manage to have several TV networks and countless internet outlets blasting out their views.
Meanwhile in Texas abortion is banned entirely, among other states, with no exception for rape or incest, and they're now in court fighting an executive order that says hospitals should prioritize the mother's life.
Texas is the 2nd largest state and its abortion laws are among the most regressive in the entire world. The number of countries with no exception for the mother's life is single digits.
No college coach at Rutgers should be broadcasting their political views that don't impact the sport at hand. I don't care what they are. It jeopardizes their neutrality.
OTOH, players have the absolute right to do so, something which this board ofc did in fact complain about.
Greg is smart, he is religious but he has coached players of various faiths and beliefs and knows how to welcome all. He also very successfully worked his political skills to get total buy in from the state legislature and Gov Murphy with whom he may not agree. So the fantasy of Greg becoming a vessel for the CE board is just that.
Most American Catholics support Roe, most American mainline Protestants support it, most American Muslims support it, and a synagogue in Florida is challenging a ban there for the precise reason you mention.
Most Americans generally just want to be able to make their own decisions about their own body without the DA tracking down the Uber driver who takes them to appointment like you'd expect in a third world country.
That's not what objectively means ...which is why the subject has been a point of contention throughout history. You can't just opinion that away.
Harbaugh is free to say whatever he wants but I suspect it didn't exactly sit well with people at Michigan. Despite having the freedom to say what he wants, sometimes given one's position it might not be best to wade into a political issue. I suspect being a HC of a major program might be one of those jobs.
At the end of the day, did Harbaugh saying what he said in the venue he said it change anything? Likely not. So I think in cases like this, there can be a risk/reward type situation.
At the end of the day, did Harbaugh saying what he said in the venue he said it change anything? Likely not. So I think in cases like this, there can be a risk/reward type situation.
guess what you said in the beginning of your reply
( RUBOB72 said:
"Could not wait and it took you less than 10 minutes. Sorry it is a brave stance.")
shouldn't count , or meant something else.
It does look like you stopped reading before you read my whole reply.by he way what I just posted you said looks to me.
But I'll take your word that you didn't miss a thing.
It's not that simple as you portray in your second paragraph.
I'm not religious, but isn't it really three different person's bodies? The father, the mother, and the fetus/baby? There's the rub.
It's a good thing we don't leave life and death decisions to polling. The "their own body" phrasing is really a poor way to look at it, and opens up multiple other slippery slopes. Most people who answer these polls don't even know what they are answering or the questions are loaded to achieve a desired result. This happens with polling on both sides.
WSJ poll, so take it for the source, but:
"The further into the pregnancy, with AP/NORC finding 61% believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester, but only 34% in the second trimester and 19% in the third, and an April Wall Street Journal poll finding more Americans approve of 15-week abortion bans than disapprove."
There are some interesting breakdowns in polling in the link below:
Your first 3 “Mosts” are all wrong. Where do you get your info?
Also, what about the concept that the body within your body isn’t your body? Love them both.
No, it isn't.
However, if you view it that way, don't get an abortion. Simple. Problem is forcing your own opinions and definitions on someone else, on such a life changing topic.
hopefully the response would be that Greg stated his POV on the issue and no one would condemn him for it or make like it was something unexpected when he got up in front of a pro life crowd at a pro life event.
( though in today's society those speaking out in support of abortion are harrassed and condemmed, just like those speaking out against abortion have detractors insulting them for being against abortion)
As for many Rutgers players having a strong belief in God, I'd add many players and coaches along with their family belong to religious organizations in most college and pro football programs.
But not all of them are anti abortion
Not if it is determined to be a very real health risk. Even my current wife- she had two sons and had been expecting a 3rd but going into her 2nd trimester- it was determined would at best be still borne and at worst, kill her. Hardest decision she ever had to make but she was able to raise her two boys into great young men.
On the other hand- abortion should not be a birth control. And in most cases, there is a term that had be determined when you could or could not get an abortion.
It's like Texas strives to prove that Texas is awful. And it keeps outdoing itself, over and over!
Except that a fetus in the 35th week of pregnancy, who has no voice while in the womb, differs significantly than one in the 6th week. Roe tried to deal with this by forcing the court's opinion on someone else.
This is common sense stuff. Some of these red states have really backed themselves into a corner.
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That would be an exception after 15 weeks. If the babies already dead or it is a risk to the mother life
Hey buddy I never miss a thing . It’s a brave ( Harbaugh) stance and does count especially with the anti groups with dark money backings. There are more people who feel the same as Jim Harbaugh. People would be happy had he not broached the topic on abortion but guess what? …he did and now some are horrified. Staying quiet like a church mouse
is what many on here and in the media would like. Time is running out as polls show and it will not be a pretty scene as the original SC decision proved there are some very disturbed haters of life. There are many different types of pregnancy proofing helpers on the market. People could prevent much of this by just being responsible for their actions both men and women.They always seem to have an excuse . Taught in the system of our educational process.- Status