NET falls to 80

[bac2therac]

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[jordkap]

Really?

 

[Scangg]

Northwestern above us when they are 2 games under .500

 

[Rokodesh]

Northwestern above us when they are 2 games under .500

Proves how ******* stupid it is

 

[SBP]

Woopty damn do…and if we lose 2 more it will probably drop again, but if we win 2 more, we are in…it’s not relevant anymore. Win and we are in… Lose out, which we won’t, we are done.

 

[Scangg]

So road games at the RAC are not Q1 games...

 

[bac2therac]

So road games at the RAC are not Q1 games...

beating RU is just a Q3 game for Purdue, Michigan and Indiana

 

[Scangg]

beating RU is just a Q3 game for Purdue, Michigan and Indiana

It's screwing over the rest of the B1G too

 

[RUfromNJ]

beating RU is just a Q3 game for Purdue, Michigan and Indiana

Think about how ridiculous that is. What a stupid metric.

 

[[email protected]]

beating RU is just a Q3 game for Purdue, Michigan and Indiana

That's not what Painter said in his post game interview .

He said tonight's Purdue W is the best victory over a Quad 2 in the country this season! (NOTE Edited: "actually it's the best Quad 2 W in the history of the NCAA!).

Mo

 

[Zak57]

Washington State at 48 jumps out to me. 0-6 Q1 3-2 Q2. Also have 3 Q3 losses and 1 Q4 loss.

 

[Terry_2426]

 

[fatsam98]

Northwestern above us when they are 2 games under .500

Their only impressive win is MSU on the road. The whole thing's a joke but I feel pretty good that the reason behind our low NET has been widely discussed and most people have us in anyway.

 

[bac2therac]

the committee is smart enough to recognize a win over #73 Santa Barbara isnt as good as a win over Rutgers just because teams are grouped by quads does not mean the committee is not searching as to who those teams are.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

yes yes

complain if you want............

just win 2.

 

[IL Lusciato]

beating RU is just a Q3 game for Purdue, Michigan and Indiana

Then its time to scrap that system. Thats nonsense.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

#76 Northwestern(12-13) 73.0pts For 69.2pts against +3.8 SOS 23rd
#80 Rutgers (16-10) 68.6pts For 65.3pts against +3.3 SOS 35th

Told ya, Margin of Victory/Point differential is the key to everything.

 

[RUfanSinceAnderson]

So WSU can’t win a big game and is 48. Wvu 2-11 in Q1 above us. I could go on. This is a total joke.

 

[bac2therac]

#76 Northwestern(12-13) 73.0pts For 69.2pts against +3.8 SOS 23rd
#80 Rutgers (16-10) 68.6pts For 65.3pts against +3.3 SOS 35th

Told ya, Margin of Victory/Point differential is the key to everything.

what we need is a 72-51 win over Michigan

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

#34 Michigan(14-11) Q1 3-7, 72.2pts For, 68.6pts against +3.6 SOS 4th
#48 Wash St(14-12) Q1 0-6, 70.6pts For 63.0pts against +7.6 SOS 80th
#41 VA Tech (16-11) Q1 0-5, 70.1pts For, 61.7pts against +8.4 SOS 81st
#64 Utah St(14-13) Q1 1-9, 73.6pts For, 68.3pts against +5.3 SOS 53rd
#69 WVU(14-12) Q1 2-11 67.9 Pts For, 67.0 pts against +0.9 SOS 3rd
#78 Vandy(14-12) Q1 2-7 69.3pts For 66.7pts against +2.6 SOS 29th

Winning and losing don't mean anything as long as you are efficiently winning by a lot and losing by as little as possible. That's why capped wins and losses were a good thing. It avoided stupidity like this from happening

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Rutgers Non-Conference(307th SOS)
(6-4) Off. Eff 97.7 Def.Eff 96.4 +1.3 is 150th-151st in KP
Rutgers Conference schedule
(10-6) Off Eff 107.7 Def.Eff. 95.2 +12.5 is 57th-58th in KP

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

#34 Michigan(14-11) Q1 3-7, 72.2pts For, 68.6pts against +3.6 SOS 4th
#48 Wash St(14-12) Q1 0-6, 70.6pts For 63.0pts against +7.6 SOS 80th
#41 VA Tech (16-11) Q1 0-5, 70.1pts For, 61.7pts against +8.4 SOS 81st
#64 Utah St(14-13) Q1 1-9, 73.6pts For, 68.3pts against +5.3 SOS 53rd
#69 WVU(14-12) Q1 2-11 67.9 Pts For, 67.0 pts against +0.9 SOS 3rd
#78 Vandy(14-12) Q1 2-7 69.3pts For 66.7pts against +2.6 SOS 29th

Winning and losing don't mean anything as long as you are efficiently winning by a lot and losing by as little as possible. That's why capped wins and losses were a good thing. It avoided stupidity like this from happening

did capped wins go away?

If so...wow

The NET has a good purpose if only used by committee to evaluate SOS. To say RU is a 80 is not what i think/hope it is for. Hopefully it is used solely to look at SOS and break things in to quads.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

We have 4 games left and 2 of these are at home. 2 wins should get us in and if we can’t do it, no one to blame but ourselves. It’s pretty simple now.

 

[Salvi's Headband]

You guys can say what you want but this is a huge blow to our tourney chances. I'm as shocked as anyone. We better rattle off some wins

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The system is so ridiculous. I know some of you guys are efficiency buffs but it’s not apples to apples. The reffing style plays a huge part in those defensive numbers along with Purdue shooting lights out to open the game. One of those early 3s was a bank shot. It happens. Caleb and Paul playing in foul trouble had a huge impact on how we could operate on defense. That’s part of the game, yes, so we lose and that belongs in the metrics. But this nonsense about double penalizing for how efficient Purdue was scoring the ball is bananas.

 

[bac2therac]

We have 4 games left and 2 of these are at home. 2 wins should get us in and if we can’t do it, no one to blame but ourselves. It’s pretty simple now.

This is true.

 

[bac2therac]

You guys can say what you want but this is a huge blow to our tourney chances. I'm as shocked as anyone. We better rattle off some wins

Losing to Purdue did not hurt our chances

 

[zappaa]

#76 Northwestern(12-13) 73.0pts For 69.2pts against +3.8 SOS 23rd
#80 Rutgers (16-10) 68.6pts For 65.3pts against +3.3 SOS 35th

Told ya, Margin of Victory/Point differential is the key to everything.

Except for human perception, using margin of victory or defeat as an actual tangible metric is borderline disgusting and unsportsmanlike.
Especially in an era where earlier in the year lineups were greatly affected by Covid.
The negatives margin of victory and defeat bring into play make the people who seriously use this metric to determine an invite to the tournament anti-sportsmanship and disgraceful.
I’m sure I don’t have to get into what those margins mean in regard to leaving your starters in, not using your bench and purposely embarrassing opponents.

 

[RUfan1027]

Losing to Purdue did not hurt our chances

Bac is 100 percent correct on this. The NET may have dipped but just from looking at Bracket analysis, our seeding remains the same. The committee will look at this as a good loss, even though all losses stink.

 

[BillyC80]

#34 Michigan(14-11) Q1 3-7, 72.2pts For, 68.6pts against +3.6 SOS 4th
#48 Wash St(14-12) Q1 0-6, 70.6pts For 63.0pts against +7.6 SOS 80th
#41 VA Tech (16-11) Q1 0-5, 70.1pts For, 61.7pts against +8.4 SOS 81st
#64 Utah St(14-13) Q1 1-9, 73.6pts For, 68.3pts against +5.3 SOS 53rd
#69 WVU(14-12) Q1 2-11 67.9 Pts For, 67.0 pts against +0.9 SOS 3rd
#78 Vandy(14-12) Q1 2-7 69.3pts For 66.7pts against +2.6 SOS 29th

Winning and losing don't mean anything as long as you are efficiently winning by a lot and losing by as little as possible. That's why capped wins and losses were a good thing. It avoided stupidity like this from happening

Margin of victory or loss should be removed from any calculation of NET. It may be useful for establishing betting lines but that’s about it.

 

[RUChoppin]

Losing to Purdue did not hurt our chances

I agree, but it does have a ripple effect. We are now no longer a Q1 win for anyone, which changes their Q1 record, which is one of the important factors for selection and seeding.

 

[bac2therac]

The biggest factor going forward is overall record. RU has enough quad 1 wins. They need wins period. Regrettably there were way too many losses to mediocre to bottom big 10 schools..it wasnt just Lafayette and UMass that holds the NET back

Rutgers at 16-10 and Michigan at 14-11 have the worst marks of those projected in. Schools will need to be at least 4 games over.

Oklahoma at 14-13 isnt getting a bid with that mark even as they appear in some brackets

 

[bac2therac]

I agree, but it does have a ripple effect. We are now no longer a Q1 win for anyone, which changes their Q1 record, which is one of the important factors for selection and seeding.

They do look deeper. Wins vs the field is more important than wins at Santa Clara and Missouri St

If RU does the things it needs to do down the stretch and is deserving of a bid that ranking will move back into the top 75

One factor many are overlooking is the atrocious 3-8 road mark. Only Indiana's is as bad among teams in the field. Its hurting the NET

 

[goru7]

I agree, but it does have a ripple effect. We are now no longer a Q1 win for anyone, which changes their Q1 record, which is one of the important factors for selection and seeding.

I agree, but it does have a ripple effect. We are now no longer a Q1 win for anyone, which changes their Q1 record, which is one of the important factors for selection and seeding.

Except to point out that main issue with the Net , a Quad 3 team beat a Quad 1 team 7 times. Clearly, that has never happened before and no team in the country is close. The committee is supposed to look for the best teams that have shown a chance to beat other NCAA teams. NET is a sorting and maybe a seeding tool but not a tool for selecting the worthy NCAA teams.

 

[RUJMM78]

Except for human perception, using margin of victory or defeat as an actual tangible metric is borderline disgusting and unsportsmanlike.
Especially in an era where earlier in the year lineups were greatly affected by Covid.
The negatives margin of victory and defeat bring into play make the people who seriously use this metric to determine an invite to the tournament anti-sportsmanship and disgraceful.
I’m sure I don’t have to get into what those margins mean in regard to leaving your starters in, not using your bench and purposely embarrassing opponents.

Iowa will always do well with the metics based on the points they score and margin of victory.

 

[RUJMM78]

They do look deeper. Wins vs the field is more important than wins at Santa Clara and Missouri St

If RU does the things it needs to do down the stretch and is deserving of a bid that ranking will move back into the top 75

One factor many are overlooking is the atrocious 3-8 road mark. Only Indiana's is as bad among teams in the field. Its hurting the NET

BAC spot on comment.The woeful road record this season and previous decades is a stigma that Rutgers has failed to correct and has impacted NCAA selection.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

BAC spot on comment.The woeful road record this season and previous decades is a stigma that Rutgers has failed to correct and has impacted NCAA selection.

None of this is relevant, stop using nonsense or past history to this season. OOC and road wins are similar across everyone's resume... RUs is stronger than those others supposedly on the bubble. Stop crying about things that aren't relevant. RU has 5 or 6 games left and these games would still be just as important, irregardless of any past games

Fans forget we won at the buzzer against Purdue, Ohio State and Iowa. All of those game matter more than the OOC.

RU is a tournament team today and is playing like it, which is unlike a bunch of teams who are supposed to be in the field, that are losing at a rapid rate.

Onto Michigan folks, stop looking backwards and look forward.

 

[RUsojo]

The system is so ridiculous. I know some of you guys are efficiency buffs but it’s not apples to apples. The reffing style plays a huge part in those defensive numbers along with Purdue shooting lights out to open the game. One of those early 3s was a bank shot. It happens. Caleb and Paul playing in foul trouble had a huge impact on how we could operate on defense. That’s part of the game, yes, so we lose and that belongs in the metrics. But this nonsense about double penalizing for how efficient Purdue was scoring the ball is bananas.

You could swap in Rutgers early start against Illinois where Ron banked in a 3 and RU started hot for the same thing. You can’t pick out one instance of an RU game and use it to try to legitimize some argument to prove something in the context of 5,000 other college basketball games happening between 300+ other teams.

 

[bac2therac]

None of this is relevant, stop using nonsense or past history to this season. OOC and road wins are similar across everyone's resume... RUs is stronger than those others supposedly on the bubble. Stop crying about things that aren't relevant. RU has 5 or 6 games left and these games would still be just as important, irregardless of any past games

Fans forget we won at the buzzer against Purdue, Ohio State and Iowa. All of those game matter more than the OOC.

RU is a tournament team today and is playing like it, which is unlike a bunch of teams who are supposed to be in the field, that are losing at a rapid rate.

Onto Michigan folks, stop looking backwards and look forward.

RUs non conference sos and road marks are among the worst on the bubble in or out of the field...and its not the first time. To have multiple red flags is never good should RU be at 18-13

There are multiple reasons why the NET is as bad as it is for RU

OOC SOS

Wake Forest 334
Indiana 313
Rutgers 307
SMU 281
TCU 276
Iowa 271

Road when combined with neutral

Rutgers 3-8
West Virginia 3-8
Indiana 3-6
Oklahoma 5-8
Memphis 5-7
Florida 5-7
Kansas State 5-7

Q4 losses

Dayton 3
Rutgers 1
Boise State 1
BYU 1
SMU 1
Florida 1
North Carolina 1

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers may be the only major school that does not play a single neutral site game..wow...check that St Johns also did not play any

this is incredible. Almost every power 6 school in the country is doing it besides Rutgers