Is Ron okay?

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Other boards reporting it is a thumb injury

Thumb would.. make that COULD.. be bad.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Hey where's the clueless blowhard @RedTeam1994? Must still be hiding in IgnoreWitness Protection, or maybe still looking for his rulebook on basketball fouls.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

Hey where's the clueless blowhard @RedTeam1994? Must still be hiding in IgnoreWitness Protection, or maybe still looking for his rulebook on basketball fouls.

You’re on ignore dipshit as I said you were so I havent seen your posts. I guess since you tagged me your post showed up.

A number of other posters understandably complained that the thread was hijacked by the foul comments. They were right. I moved on.

Btw I never said I WOULD post the rules - I said I COULD but that anyone who watches basketball and has ANY bit of objectivity understands why a foul wouldn’t be called there. reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit. Many others made the same/ similar points . You and one other poster are obsessed with this foul complaint for some bizarre reason.

btw - obsess much? I haven’t commented on this thread in like 3 days yet youre still thinking about me?!? crushing hard it seems. Get a life clown. Move on

you’re on ignore for a reason - I don’t care to read your drivel. Don’t tag me.

Get a life. Move on. Obsess less.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I don’t see a foul. And someone suggesting it was a dirty play? Looked like great hustle to me. Bad pass + in that moment Ron should have gone towards the ball

foul on melendez ? Ridiculous

^^^^LOL #Fail

 

[RU76]

Limit foul-no foul discussions bickering to situations that influence who wins/loses a game, please.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

^^^^LOL #Fail

You have issues. I moved on 3 days ago. I suggest you do the same. Not sure why I was able to see your post again since you’re on ignore . Persist and I’m going to the mods freak

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

You have issues. I moved on 3 days ago. I suggest you do the same. Not sure why I was able to see you post. Persist and I’m going to the mods freak

Dude I'm responding to your posts to me. Can't you control yourself and "Ignore" me? LOL

 

[Scangg]

yeah.. I see all the "NOT A FOUL" people want that aspect of the discussion to end. I agree. It was a foul. And it was okay for it to NOT be called.

But now people are still blaming Ron for not coming back to the ball? Nonsense. Harper found the open space and made himself available. No one was on him.. AND he got fouled. Coming back to the ball would just have put him closer to other Illinois defenders closer to the baseline. Melendez ran at him at high speed and did NOT get in front to break up the pass.. he fouled Harper.

He doesn't need to be on the baseline. Once the pass is thrown you come back to it in that scenario. Period. You need to successfully inbound the ball there as the top priority. Any attempt to come back to the ball and there is no discussion here whatsoever

"reward him with a foul"?

What is that about? Refs are not out there to "reward" anyone. Or should not be. They certainly did not "reward" Rutgers for taking a big league and forcing Illinois to play with desperation.

Harper found the open space for the pass and got there and a player ran through his arm. I can see refs missing that call.. but there were other calls they did not make that they should not have missed.

The argument here was whether it was a foul or not.. not whether it should have been called. And to make this about Harper not coming back for the ball.. to blame him for his own injury caused by a foul that was, in turn, caused by our teams good play forcing Illinois to desperation measures?

Why would you take that position?.. just to find another way to claim it was not a "foul" (yeah, I noticed your "quotes").

Like it or not, that's how refs operate

 

[mildone_rivals]

yeah.. I see all the "NOT A FOUL" people want that aspect of the discussion to end. I agree. It was a foul. And it was okay for it to NOT be called.

But now people are still blaming Ron for not coming back to the ball? Nonsense. Harper found the open space and made himself available. No one was on him.. AND he got fouled. Coming back to the ball would just have put him closer to other Illinois defenders closer to the baseline. Melendez ran at him at high speed and did NOT get in front to break up the pass.. he fouled Harper.

Yes, there was contact and, by the rules, ALL contact other than boxing out is a foul. But there's tons of contact in all games and, if refs called them all, everybody on both sides would foul out before the end of the first half. This "debate" is just getting silly now.

If I were the ref, I wouldn't have called a foul there. Not in real time. Using hindsight and slow-motion and we can see the contact clearly. But there were probably between 50-100 instances of contact that could've been called, but wasn't, in that game. Maybe more. Pretty much like every other game.

 

[MadRU]

Yes, there was contact and, by the rules, ALL contact other than boxing out is a foul. But there's tons of contact in all games and, if refs called them all, everybody on both sides would foul out before the end of the first half. This "debate" is just getting silly now.

If I were the ref, I wouldn't have called a foul there. Not in real time. Using hindsight and slow-motion and we can see the contact clearly. But there were probably between 50-100 instances of contact that could've been called, but wasn't, in that game. Maybe more. Pretty much like every other game.

Then you need to be prepared for a Mildone Sucks chant from the student section.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yes, there was contact and, by the rules, ALL contact other than boxing out is a foul. But there's tons of contact in all games and, if refs called them all, everybody on both sides would foul out before the end of the first half. This "debate" is just getting silly now.

If I were the ref, I wouldn't have called a foul there. Not in real time. Using hindsight and slow-motion and we can see the contact clearly. But there were probably between 50-100 instances of contact that could've been called, but wasn't, in that game. Maybe more. Pretty much like every other game.

I can see why it was not called... I said so.. but saying that it was a FOUL should not be so controversial. My guess is that Ref on the baseline counting was busy looking at a closer player-pair. The sideline ref at bottom of screen had an obstructed view and the third ref was already running up court.. maybe his back was to the play.. stupidly.

Now.. I cannot see why Kofi's over-the-back that resulted in a jump ball tie-up just prior to that.. I cannot see how 3 refs could miss that. Surely one of them was watching the ball and the rebound. The REF YOU SUCK chant was because of that NO-CALL.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I can see why it was not called... I said so.. but saying that it was a FOUL should not be so controversial. My guess is that Ref on the baseline counting was busy looking at a closer player-pair. The sideline ref at bottom of screen had an obstructed view and the third ref was already running up court.. maybe his back was to the play.. stupidly.

Now.. I cannot see why Kofi's over-the-back that resulted in a jump ball tie-up just prior to that.. I cannot see how 3 refs could miss that. Surely one of them was watching the ball and the rebound. The REF YOU SUCK chant was because of that NO-CALL.

I've seen over-the-back rebounds called and I've seen them not called. People point out this play or that play and, usually centered on people's particular bias, feel those calls were the worst calls by the refs. Naturally, the other side always feels differently.

I try pretty hard to not view the game in a biased way, but even I know it's impossible and that I can't help but see things more in RU's favor than not. We're human, not machines.

Officiating high paced games is extremely difficult. Good teams and good players learn to sense how the refs are calling things and adapt their play. Often adapting more than once or twice per game as the refs seek to exert some control if things get a little heated.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Yes, there was contact and, by the rules, ALL contact other than boxing out is a foul. But there's tons of contact in all games and, if refs called them all, everybody on both sides would foul out before the end of the first half. This "debate" is just getting silly now.

If I were the ref, I wouldn't have called a foul there. Not in real time. Using hindsight and slow-motion and we can see the contact clearly. But there were probably between 50-100 instances of contact that could've been called, but wasn't, in that game. Maybe more. Pretty much like every other game.

I cannot believe a ref would "let that one go" if they had a clear view of the foul. I've stated many times that I see how they missed it at live game speed . Heck I admitted I didn't notice the foul in real-time myself. What is mind-boggling is a couple of buffoons that went berserk because I said it was a foul after seeing the slo mo replay, and even more incredibly after the zoom-in shots. And of course there's the one keyboard warrior that went berserk with lame insults and b.s. and then started crying to the mods when I returned the favor. But I have a feeling I know that poster from a formerly screen name.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I cannot believe a ref would "let that one go" if they had a clear view of the foul. I've stated many times that I see how they missed it at live game speed . Heck I admitted I didn't notice a foul in real-time myself. What is mind-boggling is a couple of buffoons that went berserk because I said it was foul after seeing the slo mo replay, and even more incredibly after the zoom-in shots. And of course there's one keyboard warrior that went berserk with lame insults and b.s. and then started crying to the mods when I returned the favor. But I have a feeling I know that poster from a formerly screen name.

TBH, I think the whole it's a foul, it's not a foul argument is totally pointless; it's unarguably academic as the game is over and nobody is changing anything about the result.

As for insults, you know me well enough to know I have never GAF about them. I enjoy all the insult trading. It's all good fun to me. But, in the MBB and FB forums, I mostly avoid engaging in insult trading and keep things gentle when I do engage. Because it seems most of the folks in these forums prefer it that way.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

TBH, I think the whole it's a foul, it's not a foul argument is totally pointless; it's unarguably academic as the game is over and nobody is changing anything about the result.

As for insults, you know me well enough to know I have never GAF about them. I enjoy all the insult trading. It's all good fun to me. But, in the MBB and FB forums, I mostly avoid engaging in insult trading and keep things gentle when I do engage. Because it seems most of the folks in these forums prefer it that way.

Well there always have been and, I guarantee, will continue to be threads and posts about refs and bad calls on the RU sports boards after games have been decided. Lol if someone can't handle it then they're coming to the wrong place.

 

[fluoxetine]

TBH, I think the whole it's a foul, it's not a foul argument is totally pointless; it's unarguably academic as the game is over and nobody is changing anything about the result.

As for insults, you know me well enough to know I have never GAF about them. I enjoy all the insult trading. It's all good fun to me. But, in the MBB and FB forums, I mostly avoid engaging in insult trading and keep things gentle when I do engage. Because it seems most of the folks in these forums prefer it that way.

 

[RC80]

First, I sure as heck hope so; and I'm not reading thru 7 pages of comments - so not sure if anyone said, that by the time he got hurt with under 3 min - the game should have been put out of reach & he shouldn't have needed to be on the court; but they outscored us 20 to 10 in the last 6 minutes - and the kid on Ill was still fighting (with about 2:40 left) -- so put the game away - and this doesn't occur.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Then you need to be prepared for a Mildone Sucks chant from the student section.

Hopefully led by the dance team.

 

[mikeyoc]

First, I sure as heck hope so; and I'm not reading thru 7 pages of comments - so not sure if anyone said, that by the time he got hurt with under 3 min - the game should have been put out of reach & he shouldn't have needed to be on the court; but they outscored us 20 to 10 in the last 6 minutes - and the kid on Ill was still fighting (with about 2:40 left) -- so put the game away - and this doesn't occur.

We're not 20 points better than Illinois . Not at all surprising they would make a run at some point

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Well there always have been and, I guarantee, will continue to be threads and posts about refs and bad calls on the RU sports boards after games have been decided. Lol if someone can't handle it then they're coming to the wrong place.

I thought more about this and earlier I went too far in suggesting a "NO FOUL" person was taught to bend over and take it... I was generalizing and trying to be humorous but I think I can take another crack at the point.

Many athletes in officiated sports, especially basketball players, are taught.. have it drilled into them.. to never question an official... which is fine and understandable. And many of those athletes are taught "gamesmanship".. to FOOL officials. Which, imho, is not fine and understandable... and more "flop" calls should be made... though the lame flop warning against Rutgers this season counters that thought fairly well.

I wonder what the percentage of the "NO FOUL" crowd is that learned these lessons earlier in life a bit too well.

THAT IS.. the longer you are away from coaching or being coached, the more of the spectator of the sport you become, perhaps the training to respect officials calls no matter what fades away. It did with me.

I have no problem with fans in the arena letting refs know they blew a call and I have no problem with fans saying so on message boards. Maybe it is time for the NO FOUL crowd to examine why they always want to silence the discussion of officiating.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I thought more about this and earlier I went too far in suggesting a "NO FOUL" person was taught to bend over and take it... I was generalizing and trying to be humorous but I think I can take another crack at the point.

Many athletes in officiated sports, especially basketball players, are taught.. have it drilled into them.. to never question an official... which is fine and understandable. And many of those athletes are taught "gamesmanship".. to FOOL officials. Which, imho, is not fine and understandable... and more "flop" calls should be made... though the lame flop warning against Rutgers this season counters that thought fairly well.

I wonder what the percentage of the "NO FOUL" crowd is that learned these lessons earlier in life a bit too well.

THAT IS.. the longer you are away from coaching or being coached, the more of the spectator of the sport you become, perhaps the training to respect officials calls no matter what fades away. It did with me.

I have no problem with fans in the arena letting refs know they blew a call and I have no problem with fans saying so on message boards. Maybe it is time for the NO FOUL crowd to examine why they always want to silence the discussion of officiating.

During my playing days (eons ago lol) you didn't mouth off to a ref or umpire because you feared another penalty/foul call or even a DQ. Coaches drilled that discipline into us. As a fan, and certainly an RU fan that has seen us getting hosed by refs way too many times (the 2011 SJU game in BE Championships still causes nauseating flashbacks) , damn right the refs are going to be in the crosshairs. And I make no apologies.

This thread got out of control because of one or 2 posters that came after me personally, at least one is an old CE alum that has been taken to the woodshed regularly, and using his 3rd or 4th screenname after multiple Mod bannings lol.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

During my playing days (eons ago lol) you didn't mouth off to a ref or umpire because you feared another penalty/foul call or even a DQ. Coaches drilled that discipline into us. As a fan, and certainly an RU fan that has seen us getting hosed by refs way too many times (the 2011 SJU game in BE Championships still causes nauseating flashbacks) , damn right the refs are going to be in the crosshairs. And I make no apologies.

This thread got out of control because of one or 2 posters that came after me personally, at least one is an old CE alum that has been taken to the woodshed regularly, and using his 3rd or 4th screenname after multiple Mod bannings lol.

You may be interested in this.. I once used a different screen name that attracted bad attention.. like you are experiencing. That is, disagree with you on the sports boards because they hated your politics on the CE board.

I tested this theory by creating a new moniker and, lo and behold, those same folk were suddenly okay with my sports posts. Of course, over time, the new moniker became known to challenge them on the CE board and it happened again on the sports boards.

Nothing you can do but..

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Dude I'm responding to your posts to me. Can't you control yourself and "Ignore" me? LOL

just stop it. you two are not in a private room.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

just stop it. you two are not in a private room.

Ball is in other guy's court.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Ball is in other guy's court.

Each of you can show restraint. Please.
For the rest of us.

 

[RUBOB72]

Nice to see others arguing over things they don’t or can’t control. With that said, ” GO RU !!!!!!!! “

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

7 pages on the “Is Ron Okay” thread, and still no one knows…only here..lol.

 

[RUBOB72]

It appears in the most recent photo of Ron Harper Jr.and trainer he was holding his left index finger not his pinky finger. Several positives is it is his left non shooting hand and they could tape the index and middle finger . If it was broken we would have already known about it. I personally feel Ron will play . Will he be 100% … maybe or maybe not.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Even if Ron is "OK" that type of injury could be very tender and vulnerable to taking a bad hit in many ways on the court. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if he DNP vs. Perdue. As another poster put it, we're kinda playing with house money out there tomorrow.

 

[RUBOB72]

I played basketball all the way way from grammar school CYO , PAL, high school and can’t tell you the number of jammed and dislocated fingers I sustained. My father made me use a sponge ball, spring grippers to use daily while still in pain. If it’s serious such an injury as a ligament or fracture maybe but this is a D-1 athlete who I am sure has seen the best hand guy and rehab people at Robert Wood / Rutgers. If he is unable to go… it’s next man or men up. That is what a team is.

 

[Kbee3]

Even if Ron is "OK" that type of injury could be very tender and vulnerable to taking a bad hit in many ways on the court. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if he DNP vs. Perdue. As another poster put it, we're kinda playing with house money out there tomorrow.

My wife laughs at that expression all of the time. If you've won the money, it's no longer the house's money. It's yours. She says that's how so many people who start getting in the plus column at casinos end up giving it all back. I can't remember a time when we left a casino with less money than we entered with. She's pretty good at blackjack.

 

[ecojew]

The team must have left for Indiana by now. Does anyone know if RHJ was on the plane?

 

[NightKnight]

Take time with a wounded hand

 

[RUBOB72]

Why would he not travel with the team? It’s a finger we’re talking about not a leg or ankle or head injury. This decision will be made by the doctors and training staff and Captain Ron himself. Pretty certain he will do all he can to be there even if only as a bench leader.

 

[Rokodesh]

Well this escalated quickly.

game ended like 3 days ago. Who cares. Contact happens in basketball. Hope Ron is a quick healer

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Contact happens in basketball. Refs call fouls. Refs miss fouls.

 

[RUBOB72]

I’m an old angry man but I do know our programs and their history in most of them ..since 1967 with too many unfulfilled times on the Banks both men’s and women’s.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

I’m an old angry man but I do know our programs and their history in most of them ..since 1967 with too many unfulfilled times on the Banks both men’s and women’s.

I’m old too. It’s not good to be angry. Why are you angry? You’ve had the good fortune to live a long life. The world belongs to the young. Let them have their way.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

I thought more about this and earlier I went too far in suggesting a "NO FOUL" person was taught to bend over and take it... I was generalizing and trying to be humorous but I think I can take another crack at the point.

Many athletes in officiated sports, especially basketball players, are taught.. have it drilled into them.. to never question an official... which is fine and understandable. And many of those athletes are taught "gamesmanship".. to FOOL officials. Which, imho, is not fine and understandable... and more "flop" calls should be made... though the lame flop warning against Rutgers this season counters that thought fairly well.

I wonder what the percentage of the "NO FOUL" crowd is that learned these lessons earlier in life a bit too well.

THAT IS.. the longer you are away from coaching or being coached, the more of the spectator of the sport you become, perhaps the training to respect officials calls no matter what fades away. It did with me.

I have no problem with fans in the arena letting refs know they blew a call and I have no problem with fans saying so on message boards. Maybe it is time for the NO FOUL crowd to examine why they always want to silence the discussion of officiating.

When I played basketball our defense was to be in your opponents jock strap. You can’t play aggressive tight defense without some contact.

 

[RUBOB72]

Pinky can be tricky, I played hoops in to 40+ league and took a foul on the hand as I went up inside. Pinky was pointing straight out to the right. Thought was dislocated pulled it, twisted it and brought the pinky back to normal position. 2 hours later it still hurt very badly,, I went to the ER, and it was a spiral fracture of the 5th metacarpal. ER doc asked if I had seen a doctor already because it was perfectly set.. I explained I had set the finger myself on the court….he was a bit surprised…and yes hurt like a mother..

that said I did not see his pinky pointed out like mine was.

Not pinky… left index finger in picture