At some point, we will have to adjust Schiano’s contract. Otherwise the market will do it for us.
Mario Cristobal makes Double what Greg Schiano does
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Ahhhh no. Schiano needs to prove he can win here first. He has plenty of money.
Yup. They are lined up to hire him away. $$$$
The market price for a HC with a 5-7 record isn't what is is for the recent jumpers
Not yet, but once he wins 9-10 games, they will be.
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Given what we did with CVS, expect RU to do the dumbest thing possible…Especially if Hobbs is still around
Al, have you not heard the riotous hoopla surrounding this whole thing? Cristobal will pull an 8MM-a-year salary, but I don't think that includes the 9MM buyout that UM has to pay Oregon, then there's the 8MM owed to Manny Diaz. And where's the money coming from is the worst part of it.
Was about to respond with something similar. If he does to get to 9-10 win seasons, Schiano will not be going anywhere and will get rewarded handsomely at that point. If he does not like t reward a 9-10 win Rutgers will have no problem attracting coaches or players. If he does not get to 9-10 win seasons we will be in market for a different coach.
He could've gone to a bowl this year and I'd say don't do anything. He can win your 9 games for a season and I'd still say the same. I don't want to be locked into long term contracts off short term results. Not a fan of his 8 year deal either. We're not these rich schools that can buy someone out so easily either. Things have to be financially manageable in the event things go wrong and we see in the landscape more often than not they do.
Want to give a big 1 time bonus (in the millions) for some good results in a given year, I'm fine with that. But I don't want long term obligations without consistent results shown over years. Just like I say with other coaches, if they want to leave then let them and do your job as an AD and find the next guy who can be good.
We are not getting to 9-10 wins. Maybe once in a blue moon when the stars align, but 7-8 wins will be a massive success.
Not for nothing and it was the PAC-12 but be was 35-13 at Oregon with 2 conference titles over 4 seasons. When GS gets us close to that point then we will need to worry about competing but not quite there yet.
Mario Cristobal purportedly overcame his past bad record as a head coach at FIU, establishing a 35-13 W-L Record (23-9) in conference over 4 years. In the last 3 years, he had his team finish 1st, 2nd and 1st in his division and got his team to two Rose Bowls.
Greg is 8-13 (5-13 in conference over 2 years). He makes more than Locksley (based on published numbers). Tom Allen at Indiana renogiated his deal in March 21, and at the time: was "24-22 at Indiana with consecutive bowl appearances, a 14-7 record since 2019, and a No. 12 AP poll finish last season."
Results matter. Yeah, Oregon is an easier job and was not a rebuild. But looks at RU's true peers in the B1G lower level and tell me Greg deserves more for the results to date.
Most, importantly, we apparently don't have billion dollar donors who get a more inflated sense of self importance lampooning as minor league sports owners ready to throw money at a head coach of our football team.
www.espn.com
Greg is 8-13 (5-13 in conference over 2 years). He makes more than Locksley (based on published numbers). Tom Allen at Indiana renogiated his deal in March 21, and at the time: was "24-22 at Indiana with consecutive bowl appearances, a 14-7 record since 2019, and a No. 12 AP poll finish last season."
Results matter. Yeah, Oregon is an easier job and was not a rebuild. But looks at RU's true peers in the B1G lower level and tell me Greg deserves more for the results to date.
Most, importantly, we apparently don't have billion dollar donors who get a more inflated sense of self importance lampooning as minor league sports owners ready to throw money at a head coach of our football team.
Indiana football coach Tom Allen gets new 7-year deal with $1 million annual raise
Indiana coach Tom Allen has agreed to a new seven-year contract through the 2027 season that will pay him an average salary of $4.9 million per year.
www.espn.com
And engineered a minor turnaround following the decline at the end of Helfrich's tenure.
Just stop. The two situations are not even remotely close and there are many more differences than any similarities. That does not indicate any approval of the CVS deal/situation. It's just totally different.
Yesterday you say we are in a ditch . Now our coach is gonna win 9-10 games ??
I like the enthusiasm
We won’t fire him if he wins 7 or 8 games. That’s our ceiling.
Exactly. I forgot he was at Oregon (I don't constantly keep track of people who have left Rutgers).
Just a casual look at his resume:
G5 Conference COY (Sun Belt)
P5 Conference COY (P12)
4 winning seasons in a P5 conference
3 P5 Conference Championship Game appearances
2 P5 Conference Championships
Rose Bowl win
That resume costs money.
Rutgers fans would settle for one winning conference record from schiano .
We are in a ditch. But during Schiano I, we went from 4-7 to 7-5 to 11-2. I’m hopeful for a similar type trajectory.
We need a nevin Shapiro type. He’s out of jail so maybe he would be interested in supporting good old RU.
Miami was a better team when he was around .
Schiano only won more than 10 games once during his first stint here, and while the BE was never as bad a conference as the media (mainly ESPN) made it out to be, the B1G is the deeper end of the pool. 9 or 10 wins a year is a stretch.
Greg Schiano is the exception, because he is the only coach that has been able to demonstrate consistent success. It would be cheaper for us to pay Greg his $8M, then to go the cheapskate route only to watch that person fall flat on his face. Rutgers decision not to pay up for Cristobal in 2012 cost us 10 years of progress. Greg needs to be our JoePa.
There are no exceptions. You might think there are but there aren’t. ADs making bad hires doesn’t make this an exception it just means make better hires.
Also it’s not cheap skate, it’s having financial sanity which is important for a school with less resources.
Schiano makes 4+ million a year. Hardly underpaid. Just because some schools this year entered crazy coaching contracts doesn't mean every program will (be able to) follow suit. I said last year, the new arms race is coaching contracts. It'll bleed into assistant coaches too and soon many P5 programs will pay their OC\DC 1 million. But given Schiano's Penn St history, he doesn't have a whole lot of leverage, no other school will be gunning for him, unless he starts winning a lot more than losing.
The difference is some of those other guys did it in the same season.
Putting rutgersal on "reality alert". 9-3 ain't happening next year and has about a 5% chance of happening in 2023. 10-2, meaning beating 2 out of the 4 powers in the Big 10 East and going 8-0 on the rest of the schedule, ain't happening for the forseeable future.
Well your wrong. The new arms race is NIL deals. Coaches contracts have already been an arms race chief.
The resultant increase in ticket revenue will take care of it. (He will only receive this increase after success)
That’s the point. Schiano’s only other option besides Rutgers paying him $4MM was the NE Patriots paying him $1MM. There is no market for Greg Schiano. At some point we were bidding against ourselves.
That's a bit misleading. If you are going to do that, then I need to revise my Mario Cristobal comparison and throw in his 27-47 record and his 62-60 overall record. On that comparative record, Greg and Mario should be paid equivalently. (I strive to see both sides of arguments).
Mario Cristobal purportedly overcame his past bad record as a head coach at FIU, establishing a 35-13 W-L Record (23-9) in conference over 4 years. In the last 3 years, he had his team finish 1st, 2nd and 1st in his division and got his team to two Rose Bowls.
Greg is 8-13 (5-13 in conference over 2 years). He makes more than Locksley (based on published numbers). Tom Allen at Indiana renogiated his deal in March 21, and at the time: was "24-22 at Indiana with consecutive bowl appearances, a 14-7 record since 2019, and a No. 12 AP poll finish last season."
Results matter. Yeah, Oregon is an easier job and was not a rebuild. But looks at RU's true peers in the B1G lower level and tell me Greg deserves more for the results to date.
Most, importantly, we apparently don't have billion dollar donors who get a more inflated sense of self importance lampooning as minor league sports owners ready to throw money at a head coach of our football team.
Indiana football coach Tom Allen gets new 7-year deal with $1 million annual raise
Indiana coach Tom Allen has agreed to a new seven-year contract through the 2027 season that will pay him an average salary of $4.9 million per year.
Don’t worry
The star ledger, Bergen record and NJ.com
will pester us relentlessly to double his salary soon
Just you wait.
Taking out the first few years of each tenure when he inherited substandard recruits, he probably would average 8-4 per season. That's a realistic goal, and would also mean an annual bowl.
That’s only because he started at a really ****** place, twice.
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