Only feasible Big Ten expansion scenario includes 6 to 9 Pac-12 teams

[zeek55]

The super-duper bowl? Yes, it's like the AFC and NFC. That is where this eventually ends.

Pretty much, most of the playoffs will occur within the Big Ten and SEC... that means we keep 100% of the playoff revenue in house and then just split the Big Ten-SEC championship game.

That's the endgame here.

As others mentioned, we can use the Rose Bowl as the Big Ten championship game if it comes to a 26-28 team Big Ten with 12-14 Pac-12 and ACC teams.

SEC can use the Sugar Bowl as theirs, and then just need 1 game after. Rest of the bowls can be showcases and probably would have more value than they have now.

 

[RUforlife]

UA is ranked higher for research expenditures and is AAU which is what the Big Ten presidents covet.

US News for 2021 has Arizona at 97 and ASU at 103. Arizona is the flagship university in Arizona, ASU started out as a normal school. When I lived there we were told the story that the great compromise was that Phoenix got the state capitol and Tucson got the university. Having said that, ASU has made great strides to improve academically in the last 20 years, wasn’t even close when I lived there back in the 90s.

 

[WhiteBus]

There is zero reasons to expand. No one is leaving the Big Ten. Still makes more money per team than any other conference. We are no where near the problems in the Big 12.

 

[zeek55]

US News for 2021 has Arizona at 97 and ASU at 103. Arizona is the flagship university in Arizona, ASU started out as a normal school. When I lived there we were told the story that the great compromise was that Phoenix got the state capitol and Tucson got the university. Having said that, ASU has made great strides to improve academically in the last 20 years, wasn’t even close when I lived there back in the 90s.

ASU is a great school, but my point is just that the metrics that Big Ten presidents care about is different from prospective students.

They really only care about 2 things: large research footprint and AAU status. ND the obvious exception to that rule.

AAU status is a bit of an old boy's club in that it obviously favors older flagships/privates (with medical schools attached) over newer ones and non-Northern/Midwest privates.

 

[rucoe89]

Don’t see a need to take PAC-12. Instead create alliance contractually (TV and leagues contract) to lock up conferences together and bring back Rose Bowl as title game between conference champs. Use Indy for B1G Championship and SoFi for PAC championship before Rose Bowl. In Season, 8 league games, 3 crossover and 1 at large.

The above may be just one of many outside the box thinking that may be needed. Large conferences may have the opposite effect than intended and may splinter over time too. Regardless, not sensing Warren is the right person for this job, but I think everyone knows that outside of the B1G Presidents.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

If the money gets high enough, any chance Northern Indiana College goes to the SEC ?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Let’s stop calling this college football. We have teams with different college names on the uniform.

this is so dumb.

 

[rucoe89]

Let’s stop calling this college football. We have teams with different college names on the uniform.

this is so dumb.

At the very least we are at the brink of college now being semi-pro.

 

[RUhasarrived]

Only USC and UCLA.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Oregon would be a pretty good pick up as long as Oregon State wouldn’t have to be a package deal.

 

[satnom]

I believe the broadcasting rights for the highest level play of college football will be divided by mainly ESPN and Fox. ESPN has the SEC and ACC. Fox has BIG and PAC. BIG needs to expand with the latest SEC move by at least two teams (think USC & UCLA) but most likely including four more (Stanford, UC, UW and OR) with the possibility at some point including one of the AZ schools and UT and/or CO. Like poster mentioned above school schedules will be with divisional/regional schools with a few games in next time zone and one or two cross country.

Fox and ESPN knows that the pro football non-college football diehard fan does not want to see Mich v Bowling Green, UCLA v San Jose St, Penn St v Morgan St, Rutgers v. Delaware. This segment of football fan wants to see big matchups week in and week out. Schedules will become conferencentric with one maybe two OOC games.

No more games against the MEAC, MAC, WAC, SWAC or any team not in the dominant leagues to maximize advertising revenue by networks.

That’s where I see things going.

GO RU

 

[zeek55]

I believe the broadcasting rights for the highest level play of college football will be divided by mainly ESPN and Fox. ESPN has the SEC and ACC. Fox has BIG and PAC. BIG needs to expand with the latest SEC move by at least two teams (think USC & UCLA) but most likely including four more (Stanford, UC, UW and OR) with the possibility at some point including one of the AZ schools and UT and/or CO. Like poster mentioned above school schedules will be with divisional/regional schools with a few games in next time zone and one or two cross country.

Fox and ESPN knows that the pro football non-college football diehard fan does not want to see Mich v Bowling Green, UCLA v San Jose St, Penn St v Morgan St, Rutgers v. Delaware. This segment of football fan wants to see big matchups week in and week out. Schedules will become conferencentric with one maybe two OOC games.

No more games against the MEAC, MAC, WAC, SWAC or any team not in the dominant leagues to maximize advertising revenue by networks.

That’s where I see things going.

GO RU

Yes, and most importantly ESPN and Fox don't want to give multiple leagues giant checks.

Taking out the Big 12 and Pac-12 means basically that Fox will only be paying a major # to the Big Ten for example. They might sign the remaining Big 12-Pac-12 schools to a small deal for inventory for FS1-FS2.

 

[satnom]

Yes, and most importantly ESPN and Fox don't want to give multiple leagues giant checks.

Taking out the Big 12 and Pac-12 means basically that Fox will only be paying a major # to the Big Ten for example. They might sign the remaining Big 12-Pac-12 schools to a small deal for inventory for FS1-FS2.

Agree that FOX and ESPN will have tiered contracts for the premier leagues and scoop up the remaining schools for lower tier contracts. These networks know that they can always get eyeballs for football and will add the ”non premier” schools to their inventory.

This is a new frontier for the game of college football or just call it minor pro football.

GO RU

 

[MADHAT1]

I believe the broadcasting rights for the highest level play of college football will be divided by mainly ESPN and Fox. ESPN has the SEC and ACC. Fox has BIG and PAC. BIG needs to expand with the latest SEC move by at least two teams (think USC & UCLA) but most likely including four more (Stanford, UC, UW and OR) with the possibility at some point including one of the AZ schools and UT and/or CO. Like poster mentioned above school schedules will be with divisional/regional schools with a few games in next time zone and one or two cross country.

Fox and ESPN knows that the pro football non-college football diehard fan does not want to see Mich v Bowling Green, UCLA v San Jose St, Penn St v Morgan St, Rutgers v. Delaware. This segment of football fan wants to see big matchups week in and week out. Schedules will become conferencentric with one maybe two OOC games.

No more games against the MEAC, MAC, WAC, SWAC or any team not in the dominant leagues to maximize advertising revenue by networks.

That’s where I see things going.

GO RU

so actually the end result will be The B1G & PAC will be the 2 football divisions of the Fox Sports Network Conference, while The ESPN Conference will have the ACC and SEC divisions.
The CBS Conferences will get the leftovers.
NBC will be the Notre Dame channel with little Big 12 & AAC part of scheduling

 

[zeek55]

so actually the end result will be The B1G & PAC will be the 2 football divisions of the Fox Sports Network Conference, while The ESPN Conference will have the ACC and SEC divisions.
The CBS Conferences will get the leftovers.
NBC will be the Notre Dame channel with little Big 12 & AAC part of scheduling

Sort of, but I think you just drop the overlap/less valuable schools of the Pac-12 and merge them into the Big Ten.

CFB only needs 2 mega conferences, Big Ten and SEC. Rest can just fill in the gaps.

 

[RUsundevil]

UA has a medical school otherwise ASU has more research dollars than UA and some AAU members. There was an article about how good ASU is now academically was in a local paper a few years ago.

UA is ranked higher for research expenditures and is AAU which is what the Big Ten presidents covet.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

US News for 2021 has Arizona at 97 and ASU at 103. Arizona is the flagship university in Arizona, ASU started out as a normal school. When I lived there we were told the story that the great compromise was that Phoenix got the state capitol and Tucson got the university. Having said that, ASU has made great strides to improve academically in the last 20 years, wasn’t even close when I lived there back in the 90s.

The academic changes at ASU are really impressive. Much more exciting thinking happening there now than at Arizona.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

so actually the end result will be The B1G & PAC will be the 2 football divisions of the Fox Sports Network Conference, while The ESPN Conference will have the ACC and SEC divisions.
The CBS Conferences will get the leftovers.
NBC will be the Notre Dame channel with little Big 12 & AAC part of scheduling

I said this in the other thread but any large transformative move by the B10 will likely require Fox to partner with someone (CBS, NBC, streaming or maybe even ESPN in reduced fashion similar to MLB). I've said before the B10's next tv contract will be fine regardless of a move or not but if you add teams, specifically a wide swath of teams at those prices, then I think it's beyond Fox's resources so they'd need a partner. I mean ESPN is a partner in all their current college football deals. If you remove the B12 and PAC12 out of the picture there is cost savings but is it enough? I don't know but I feel like the answer is no in a large expansion scenario. So any large expansion probably hinges on finding a willing partner.

 

[RUTGERS95]

move on, no Arizona school will be in BIG

coasts baby

 

[RUforlife]

The academic changes at ASU are really impressive. Much more exciting thinking happening there now than at Arizona.

Agree. Arizona does have the AAU membership, that is a tough club to get an invite. However, even without the AAU membership, ASU is still sitting in the 5th largest city in the US and the second largest in the PAC, larger than Seattle and Portland combined, and growing. Any discussion of a B1G/PAC merger will include the Arizona schools, that is just an undeniable fact.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Agree. Arizona does have the AAU membership, that is a tough club to get an invite. However, even without the AAU membership, ASU is still sitting in the 5th largest city in the US and the second largest in the PAC, larger than Seattle and Portland combined, and growing. Any discussion of a B1G/PAC merger will include the Arizona schools, that is just an undeniable fact.

Now if we are thinking long term, does it matter that Arizona won't have any water to support it's population in the not too distant future?

 

[rucoe89]

If you go PAC -12 have to look at media and markets to also prevent SEC entry. That means all California Schools, Seattle, one or the Oregon schools, one of the Arizona schools and Denver.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Phoenix is now the number five city in America.

 

[WhoRU?]

Phoenix is now the number five city in America.

With state schools you risk elected officials meddling. They may say it’s a package deal — University of Arizona and ASU. Same goes for Oregon/OSU and Washington/WSU. Both Cal and UCLA are AAU, but they may come as a package too. USC and Stanford don’t come with strings attached.

I seem to recall that when the AAC was expanding, the Virginia legislature applied pressure to get VT included. It was apparent that the Big East was dying and they didn’t want to leave VT stranded. The PAC would be in a similar situation if we were to start expanding.

 

[MADHAT1]

It seems mow the talk is : The PAC,ACC & BIG are in talks about forming some kind of an alliance and the Big 12 isn't involved , except maybe some B-12 programs a poaching target that's part of the discussion.

I had based a lot of my speculating how the Big 12 could remain a P-5 Conference on their rumored talks with the PAC about an alliance between both conferences, if this 3 P-5 rumor bares fruit and an alliance is made, Southern Gentleman's prediction of the B-12's demise might wind up an accurate one.
My implications of THE B-12 surviving because of additions and an alliance with PAC are not looking so good now, I must admit

 

[RUBlackout]

I like gray storks eventual divisions…

let’s just turn it into an AAU/Research conference for FOX

the SEC will expand and be the ESPN conference