Would you be happy with 5-7?
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5-7 would be acceptable to me if:
1. He beats BC.
2. The team is competitive vs. the conf big boys.
3. He gets a signature win over a ranked program.
Beating Maryland, Minny, Illinois and the Liberty/UMass daily double and getting blown out by everyone else would not show improvement. I think the ceiling is 4 wins this year just like last year.
1. He beats BC.
2. The team is competitive vs. the conf big boys.
3. He gets a signature win over a ranked program.
Beating Maryland, Minny, Illinois and the Liberty/UMass daily double and getting blown out by everyone else would not show improvement. I think the ceiling is 4 wins this year just like last year.
Last year Ash put out there we would go to a bowl. Obviously we just missed that goal. For me to be happy, team needs to go to a bowl. Realistically, I don't see that happening.
I could accept improving from 1 win to 5 wins IF he were taking over someone else's 7 wins over 3 seasons. But, being a half full guy...If he improves HIS record from 1 and 2 win seasons to 5 wins and playing balls out against everyone else...then I can maybe say, it took him 3 years to get his head out of his *** and maybe we have something here. But those 5 wins better be convincing wins that are over by half against UMass and Liberty and at least 1 signature win. I would also be ok if there is a blowout or two against the elites but ONLT IF, we put a serious scare into them for 2.5-3 quarters and they only pull away at the end because of overall talent just wearing us down.
So, there is a window of opportunity for Ash but I will be honest, I just don't see it happening.
5-7 is really not acceptable in year 4. I cannot believe what I'm reading. Only at Rutgers is this acceptable. Sure it's better than 1 win. But that 1 win season has Ash's hand prints all over it! What part of this program is going well right now compared to our peers? Compare ourselves to the rest of the B1G. Use the crappiest team from a couple of years ago, Purdue. It's amazing what a decent coach can do. They beat the **** out of OSU, a team that many of you say we'll never beat. Well guess what, they were worse than us when Brohm took over.
Remember the days when people were actually excited in the Spring and 20,000 fans would show up at the Spring game. I'm actually surprised Ash hasn't gotten rid of the Spring game because a game has a connotation of winning and losing and we don't believe in that in our program.
Remember the days when people were actually excited in the Spring and 20,000 fans would show up at the Spring game. I'm actually surprised Ash hasn't gotten rid of the Spring game because a game has a connotation of winning and losing and we don't believe in that in our program.
Hell, I know I am not alone when I say that I want my Saturday's to be all about Rutgers football like they used to be. I went from attending all home games, tailgating with friends and it was understood and joined by my wife to making a couple of games at the stadium but it was must watch (live) on TV and the wife and family knew not to plan anything on a Saturday to what it is now. I am looking for things to do on Saturday's and just put on the DVR. And like I stated earlier, almost half the time, I delete without ever watching.
All of this happened in the last 3 years.
no!
I would be happy with 6-6
is .500 too freaking much to ask for in year 4 with almost no Flood players?
I would be happy with 6-6
is .500 too freaking much to ask for in year 4 with almost no Flood players?
The 2016 class is Ash's. They have been under his wing since they came to Rutgers.
Only players from Flood's last full scholarship class of 2015 on the roster that I can see are
Previlon, Venesky, Seymour, Manny Taylor and Snorweah.
I think I would be fine with that but it also depends on how we play each game. I want to see us progressing as the season develops and coming together as a team. We need to play with more consistency which translates into winning the games we're suppose to win and being more competitive against the better B10 (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, etc.). Tired of being embarrassed with these damn blowouts.
As bad as it sounds, I want this team to go 1-11/2-10 just to get Ash out of here.
I'm convinced that Ash isn't the answer, and I would rather tear it down than prolong the suffering if Ash somehow backs into a 5-7 year.
However knowing Rutgers, if Ash goes 1-11 but every single one of those losses was competitive, they would still keep him here for some ungodly reason.
I'm convinced that Ash isn't the answer, and I would rather tear it down than prolong the suffering if Ash somehow backs into a 5-7 year.
However knowing Rutgers, if Ash goes 1-11 but every single one of those losses was competitive, they would still keep him here for some ungodly reason.
I struggle with rooting for another winless season,but if it means we get rid of Ash,Im all in.Question is can Hobbs be trusted to hire the next head coach and will he let Gregg Brown be involved in the search and final decision?
The only place Hobbs should be searching is the Patriots defensive office
Considering that 5 wins would be FIVE times as many W's as in '18,one should consider saying YES to being happy.I say NO. Give me a Bowl Game and I could smile some. The 6 or more wins could be the turning point that this Sad Sack Program needs.
I agree with it. Obviously, need to win the games we're suppose to win, but more importantly looking like a normal football team.
Showing a better offense with some big play capability and consistency. Defense good enough to keep us in games against the top tier B1G teams if the offense isn't working.
Time to start showing something.
This says it all right here.
I think outside of another major scandal with the program, no matter what the record this year he will be back for 2020.
I would never want the team to tank just to see the coach fired.
If he wins Five games,counting two wins as liberty and Umass,he STILL NEEDS TO BE FIRED.
the fact that Barchi and Hobbs would accept this level produced by Ash with a current record at RU of.7-29 with a .194 win percentage is just mind blowing.Oh,forgot,the Winless B10 entire schedule and current longest power five losing streak entering this season as Cherry on top.
At NO other power five school would this be accepted.
He dosent get to 500 he needs to be fired,after the whistle blows in final game.
No fan base should support this non investment into the football program.
the fact that Barchi and Hobbs would accept this level produced by Ash with a current record at RU of.7-29 with a .194 win percentage is just mind blowing.Oh,forgot,the Winless B10 entire schedule and current longest power five losing streak entering this season as Cherry on top.
At NO other power five school would this be accepted.
He dosent get to 500 he needs to be fired,after the whistle blows in final game.
No fan base should support this non investment into the football program.
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5-7 may yet get a bowl bid depending on the number of bowl eligible teams. I think he is retained at 5-7, but that sets up bowl or bust for 2020. He is not a popular coach and does not emanate momentum like Greg. Ash's 5-7 is not equal to Schiano 2003-2004 teams. With Greg you felt the energy increasing, not with Ash.
I would be ok with it if there were close losses . If we are 5-7 or 4-8 and we lost to Ohio state or Michigan in overtime and penn state by a field goal that would be ok, especially if we find our quarterback. But if it is still beatdown after beatdown that’s another story.
I think 5 wins and even I would give him another bowl or bust season in 2020.
so.... IF two of the five wins are Umass and Liberty that means he may get One more win out of BC ..but that says then hes getting TWO B10 wins to reach five total wins?
You are good then with TWO b10 wins in TWO seasons?
that gets no other coach retained in the Country..
4 or 5 wins and I think Ash gets another year. Considering the circumstances, having new coaches and system every year and being so bad last year, 5 wins would be a huge achievement. I think I would be mildly happy. If two of those 5 wins are Michigan State and Penn State and the losses were competitive, I would be very happy.
It is more complicated than the win loss record. It is how competitive RU is in the games. RU is not a senior laden team, they are mostly young guys who will improve each year.
They very close to Texas State. Here are their last year's rankings from the BCS computers:
Anderson: Liberty 98, UMass 102, Texas State 121
Billingsley: Liberty 108, UMass 111, Texas State 118
Colley: Liberty 95, UMass 101, Texas State 124
Massey: Liberty 99, UMass 108, Texas State 124
Sagarin: UMass 138, Liberty 139, Texas State 171
Wolfe: Liberty 99, UMass 104, Texas State 144
It is noteworthy there were 130 teams in FBS and Sagarin rated all three lower than 130. Computers who only ranked FBS teams had the three fairly close, although Texas State is last in all the rankings.
Liberty was 6-6 last year and NOT bowl eligible because they were 2-0 against FCS opponents (Idaho State and Norfolk State). They were also 1-1 against New Mexico State (who Texas State defeated).
If we win 5 games I will eat my proverbial hat. I hope I'm wrong but 3 wins seems like a more realistic goal
Hobbs loves this clown because he was fooled by his BS when he interviewed him. Barchi loves him because he doesn't have a huge salary. He's going nowhere
I would not be happy.
If they went 5-7 I think that I would be relieved that the players did not have to suffer from being one of the worst teams in the country- again. I don't have any confidence in any of the coaches at this point. If the team wins 5 games, it will be because they came together to work as a unit and willed themselves to win. It is sad that I am counting on the players to coach themselves up. The players deserve better coaching. The fans deserve better coaching.
If they went 5-7 I think that I would be relieved that the players did not have to suffer from being one of the worst teams in the country- again. I don't have any confidence in any of the coaches at this point. If the team wins 5 games, it will be because they came together to work as a unit and willed themselves to win. It is sad that I am counting on the players to coach themselves up. The players deserve better coaching. The fans deserve better coaching.
I wouldn’t say I am good with it . But He will be retained with 5 wins . I don’t think he should have ever been hired and he should have been fired by now.
I just penciled in 7 wins.
But what @sherrane posted is interesting. Will be interesting to see how Liberty and UMass respond to their new head coaches.
Couldn’t agree more, but my opinion doesn’t count. Ash is performing for a demographic of two - Hobbs and Barchi. All but the most loyal fans have already abandoned or severely cut their season tickets, so the revenue hit can’t get much worse in Year 5 or 6. I believe that Hobbs will bring Ash back with 3 wins (hell, maybe even with 2 and a couple of close losses) because RU money won’t be used to fund a buyout. Hobbs and Barchi need to save their major donors for capital projects. So they will let football rot until the B1G money increases.
Wow, once again the “Fire Ash at all cost” crowd come out of the woodwork with little objectivity. --------RU has a terrible first half of the season in 2018, losing games no one thought they should have, as they go 1-6 in their first 7 games. Following that, RU is looking at a 5 game stretch that many had stated before the season was going to be a disaster and possible the toughest stretch of games in RU’s existence. And what did Rutgers do in those 5. I guess everyone stopped watching RU after that first 7? Because most of the guys I attend the games with saw that yes, we went 0-5, but the coaching staff really turned things around for the better and actually competed against one of the toughest stretches we have played in our history:
1 – Against the BIG west champion, #22 Northwestern RU has a chance to win, in losing a close, hard fought 18-15 contest
2 - At Wisconsin, a team that has destroyed RU in each previous meeting, RU shows some life, and play fairly competitively in a 2 TD loss. Don’t get blown off teh field as we did in prior meetings.
3- Against another team we had been completely embarrassed by under ASH in prior meetings, we lose convincingly to one of the best teams in the country ( #7 Michigan), but not after a mild surprise, as we were only down 7 at halftime and don't get completely embarrassed and run out of the building.
4 – Against PSU, the #12 team in the country RU plays another competitive game in a fairly close 20-7 loss to Penn State, another team that had crushed RU in the two prior ASH meetings.
5 - On the road @ MSU after a 1-10 start, against another team that had destroyed RU in the two prior meetings, you might have expected RU to mail it in, but RU has a real chance to win in a close 14-10 loss.
People must be blind if they haven’t seen improvement in the second half of the year. Or maybe more likely it was really that all our fair weather fans gave up watching and didn’t really see what was happening on the field. I'll certainly be happy with 4 or 5 wins and expect the upward trend in play to continue.
1 – Against the BIG west champion, #22 Northwestern RU has a chance to win, in losing a close, hard fought 18-15 contest
2 - At Wisconsin, a team that has destroyed RU in each previous meeting, RU shows some life, and play fairly competitively in a 2 TD loss. Don’t get blown off teh field as we did in prior meetings.
3- Against another team we had been completely embarrassed by under ASH in prior meetings, we lose convincingly to one of the best teams in the country ( #7 Michigan), but not after a mild surprise, as we were only down 7 at halftime and don't get completely embarrassed and run out of the building.
4 – Against PSU, the #12 team in the country RU plays another competitive game in a fairly close 20-7 loss to Penn State, another team that had crushed RU in the two prior ASH meetings.
5 - On the road @ MSU after a 1-10 start, against another team that had destroyed RU in the two prior meetings, you might have expected RU to mail it in, but RU has a real chance to win in a close 14-10 loss.
People must be blind if they haven’t seen improvement in the second half of the year. Or maybe more likely it was really that all our fair weather fans gave up watching and didn’t really see what was happening on the field. I'll certainly be happy with 4 or 5 wins and expect the upward trend in play to continue.
1: 15 points scored
2: 17 points scored
3: 7 points scored (also, we were down 14 at halftime 21-7)
4: 7 points scored
5: 10 points scored
I don't think "improvement" and "upward trend" mean what you think they mean.
so after an ENTIRE winless B10 schedule and a 194% over winning record for ASH ,a 'close loss" is something you want to point to as "progress"?
No "close game losses" against bottom feeder Kansas or mighty Buffalo in this Ash lovevest "progress" review? No longest losing strike in nation power five included either?
Ha HA
And right on cue ... the usual suspects come through with their lack of objectivity
And right on cue ... the usual suspects come through with their lack of objectivity
Actually, your post was also completely subjective and not objective at all.
You didn't actually provide any statistics from those games (or the entire season) that indicate an improvement or upward trend going forward.
I can quote the list "offensive points scored" for you again if you would like to see "objective" stats that do not indicate any improvement or upward trend.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/article/966/objective-vs-subjective-d1113/
Subjective refers to personal perspectives, feelings, or opinions entering the decision making process.
Objective refers to the elimination of subjective perspectives and a process that is purely based on hard facts.