Our underlying qb problem for last decade plus has been basically the same..

[Ru-baby]

Sure, lack of development has been an issue, but the initial problem all appears the same-we have been focused on who looks the part, who does better in shorts in 7 on 7's ,better in the green non contact jersey than who is the better gamer, who does better when the lights go on. To wit:

Teel over Hart*
Nova over Dodd*
Sitkowski over anyone else

* Both Teel and Nova deserved to start, but just later in their careers.
* While Dodd got time over the more prototypical Savage it was due to Savage being shellshocked and ineffective after he was too thrown in early.
*Flood' s extreme Laviano crush defied not only the usual paradigm, but all logic.

The above were rushed in (and many times never yanked) because they looked the part better and could hypothetically "stretch the D" and throw the long ball. This continues up through Sitkowski wherein no one else was given a real shot until end of season Gio, and we saw how much more life the o had. The season was forfeited by then because of all the promise seen in the non contact drills.

We now have had a number of qbs leave who were potential gamers and angst has been set forth. We are all in on an entire program on one qb. Not so smart. Really would like to have seen Lewis with a long leash and the freedom to improvise to see if anything there.

 

[RICOelectric]

There's no there there.

 

[RU206]

I think the issue is more in recruiting than anything else.

 

[Plum Street]

That was long, and I am not really sure of your point. But what I do know is ash and staff chose wrongly on the starting QB not 1 ....not 2 ....but 3 years in a row! Three! That is pretty much impossible to do. If that doesn’t scream incompetence, then what the hell does?

 

[BaseballFan913]

If your point were true, Rettig would've started.

 

[Ru-baby]

We have consistently chosen the qb based on "practice", on 7 on 7s, throwing videos etc, rather than game opportunities and results.

This past year as an ex we should have seen what Lewis and Chatman could do to see if they were gamers. Instead, we stayed with one who looked best in the non game activities. it's been quite an RU pattern, which shows little sign of changing..

 

[Ru-baby]

If your point were true, Rettig would've started

Absolutely knew someone would not have read through and noted the Flood anamoly indicated.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

RU QB play has generally been awful - aside from about two years each of Hart, Teel and Nova, and maybe Savage's first year. Otherwise, terrible. We never seem to have depth and Ash/Flood keep guys in even after making awful mistakes.

 

[mikeru_rivals337032]

We have consistently chosen the qb based on "practice", on 7 on 7s, throwing videos etc, rather than game opportunities and results.

This past year as an ex we should have seen what Lewis and Chatman could do to see if they were gamers. Instead, we stayed with one who looked best in the non game activities. it's been quite an RU pattern, which shows little sign of changing..

I am really not following. You have to choose QBs based on practice, 7vs7s, etc. Would you rather them waste 10 games giving each QB two starts and playing the best QB in the last two games?

To your other point, I would have also liked to see Chatman and Lewis. However, I doubt these QBs were lighting it up during their opportunities/chances and the staff refused to play them. It's quite possible that Sit was the *best* QB on the roster last year.

 

[Ru-baby]

You have to choose QBs based on practice, 7vs7s,

Are you constrained to thereafter never re-evaluate the decision?

Sounds like you're ok with the 4-6INTs and keep trotting them out there because they did better in "practice". Think a number of successful coaches would tell you there are additional ways to evaluate qbs other than giving them 2 games each.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Beat players play. All those you listed were the right choices. Teel got a handful of starts in order to get him ready for 2006. We lost zero games that Teel started in 2005 and finished 7-5 that year. Do the math. But again, the bonus was having Teel ready for the 11-2 / #12 finish. How many times can this be said before some of you get it?

I can’t even believe this is a real debate. Hart started and played most of the year. Did a great job. Teel needed seasoning for the upcoming year which Schiano knew and went on record saying he had a great team before the 2006 season started. No games lost while Hart sat. How is this a mistake in any way?

Nova was clearly our best QB when he was here. He made mistakes but when he was on he was much better than anyone we had. He and Dodd went back and forth a big. I liked Dodd a lot.

I have no problem with any of the QB decisions as far as who started. Teel and Nova gave us some of our best seasons. They obviously think Sitkowski will do the same.

Football 101. Clueless fans infinity 01.

 

[mikeru_rivals337032]

Are you constrained to thereafter never re-evaluate the decision?

Sounds like you're ok with the 4-6INTs and keep trotting them out there because they did better in "practice". Think a number of successful coaches would tell you there are additional ways to evaluate qbs other than giving them 2 games each.

How would you choose to evaluate five QBs on a roster? They all can't play in a game.

 

[mdk02]

RU QB play has generally been awful - aside from about two years each of Hart, Teel and Nova, and maybe Savage's first year. Otherwise, terrible. We never seem to have depth and Ash/Flood keep guys in even after making awful mistakes.

Savage was a freshman All-American. Maybe???

 

[beaced_rivals]

Sure, lack of development has been an issue, but the initial problem all appears the same-we have been focused on who looks the part, who does better in shorts in 7 on 7's ,better in the green non contact jersey than who is the better gamer, who does better when the lights go on. To wit:

Teel over Hart*
Nova over Dodd*
Sitkowski over anyone else

* Both Teel and Nova deserved to start, but just later in their careers.
* While Dodd got time over the more prototypical Savage it was due to Savage being shellshocked and ineffective after he was too thrown in early.
*Flood' s extreme Laviano crush defied not only the usual paradigm, but all logic.

The above were rushed in (and many times never yanked) because they looked the part better and could hypothetically "stretch the D" and throw the long ball. This continues up through Sitkowski wherein no one else was given a real shot until end of season Gio, and we saw how much more life the o had. The season was forfeited by then because of all the promise seen in the non contact drills.

We now have had a number of qbs leave who were potential gamers and angst has been set forth. We are all in on an entire program on one qb. Not so smart. Really would like to have seen Lewis with a long leash and the freedom to improvise to see if anything there.

"WE" are NOT ALL IN". Some are ,BUT MANY are NOT. Too bad that the Fans can't rely on Coaches to do what is Best for the Players and the Program.

 

[Ru-baby]

Not keep sending out someone with multiple INTs and try other options. How it's routinely done. Our MO of staying the course in 4 and 6 INT games because of practiced results is largely unheard of.

RU has not really given other options a chance in the recent past after a decision made. It's locked in and stuck with whatever.

As to Teel playing early, go back and see if RU gets in a bowl if Hart not re-inserted in 2nd half v UConn. That season-and the arc of GS' tenure-may have changed if he didn't get over the bowl hump.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Savage was a freshman All-American. Maybe???

You're getting in the way of my gripe.

Dammit, you're right.

 

[RUbot]

Beat players play. All those you listed were the right choices. Teel got a handful of starts in order to get him ready for 2006. We lost zero games that Teel started in 2005 and finished 7-5 that year. Do the math. But again, the bonus was having Teel ready for the 11-2 / #12 finish. How many times can this be said before some of you get it?

I can’t even believe this is a real debate. Hart started and played most of the year. Did a great job. Teel needed seasoning for the upcoming year which Schiano knew and went on record saying he had a great team before the 2006 season started. No games lost while Hart sat. How is this a mistake in any way?

Nova was clearly our best QB when he was here. He made mistakes but when he was on he was much better than anyone we had. He and Dodd went back and forth a big. I liked Dodd a lot.

I have no problem with any of the QB decisions as far as who started. Teel and Nova gave us some of our best seasons. They obviously think Sitkowski will do the same.

Football 101. Clueless fans infinity 01.

Oh BABY !! you are sooo right, the cluless fans are out in force again in this thread for sure !! !!

The cesspool this board has become just gets worse and worse

 

[zappaa]

Oh BABY !! you are sooo right, the cluless fans are out in force again in this thread for sure !! !!

The cesspool this board has become just gets worse and worse

We played the wrong QB all year.
The coaching staff made a horrendous decision, and it more than likely cost the team a few wins.

 

[chase07470]

Look at Tua vs. Georgia, kid was on his *** the whole game. 10-25, 165 yards, 1 TD, 2ints and he ain't throwing to the guys Sitkowski is throwing to. Impossible to play that position decently when you're getting pounded all the time.

Art would have been a lot better with pass protection. He would have been a lot better with Alabama's receivers...or even Mississippi State's. And he will be a lot better with experience.

But he's a pocket passer on a bottom dwelling b1g team who will likely never come up with a combination of two three star OL's who can protect him against the schedule we play.

We need a guy who can run, evade the rush, make plays down the field, scrambling. Nothing good happens here until that guy is in place.

 

[Knight Shift]

We played the wrong QB all year.
The coaching staff made a horrendous decision, and it more than likely cost the team a few wins.

and at least a few recruits.

 

[BufSldr43]

Look at Tua vs. Georgia, kid was on his *** the whole game. 10-25, 165 yards, 1 TD, 2ints and he ain't throwing to the guys Sitkowski is throwing to. Impossible to play that position decently when you're getting pounded all the time.

Art would have been a lot better with pass protection. He would have been a lot better with Alabama's receivers...or even Mississippi State's. And he will be a lot better with experience.

But he's a pocket passer on a bottom dwelling b1g team who will likely never come up with a combination of two three star OL's who can protect him against the schedule we play.

We need a guy who can run, evade the rush, make plays down the field, scrambling. Nothing good happens here until that guy is in place.

Amen

 

[Bill 86]

Sure, lack of development has been an issue, but the initial problem all appears the same-we have been focused on who looks the part, who does better in shorts in 7 on 7's ,better in the green non contact jersey than who is the better gamer, who does better when the lights go on. To wit:

Teel over Hart*
Nova over Dodd*
Sitkowski over anyone else

* Both Teel and Nova deserved to start, but just later in their careers.
* While Dodd got time over the more prototypical Savage it was due to Savage being shellshocked and ineffective after he was too thrown in early.
*Flood' s extreme Laviano crush defied not only the usual paradigm, but all logic.

The above were rushed in (and many times never yanked) because they looked the part better and could hypothetically "stretch the D" and throw the long ball. This continues up through Sitkowski wherein no one else was given a real shot until end of season Gio, and we saw how much more life the o had. The season was forfeited by then because of all the promise seen in the non contact drills.

We now have had a number of qbs leave who were potential gamers and angst has been set forth. We are all in on an entire program on one qb. Not so smart. Really would like to have seen Lewis with a long leash and the freedom to improvise to see if anything there.

Floods Laviano crush was really the OC McDaniel's crush. The same crush was also shared by Mehringer. Give the kid some credit

 

[WhiteBus]

I read today our problem at QB was because 5 different HC an 30 OCs were racists. Solid info from a first time poster

 

[NickRU714]

Floods Laviano crush was really the OC McDaniel's crush. The same crush was also shared by Mehringer. Give the kid some credit

Not so for DM.
2016 - Gio started the last 5 games of the season. Had more pass attempts and yards than Laviano on the season as well.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Rutgers Football....aka "QUARTERBACK Who"

 

[Yeah Baby]

We played the wrong QB all year.
The coaching staff made a horrendous decision, and it more than likely cost the team a few wins.

Not sure we had a better QB but I wasn’t talking about Art per se. We won’t know for. Couple of years if he is the right guy. What I am saying is the coaches were 100% right about Teel and Nova. We won games when they started and the other guys...not so much.

We don’t have anyone on the roster who has won a lot of games so we go with the guy with the highest ceiling this year. Hopefully it pays off. Maybe we win 4 with Gio again and then next year we are back to square one.

To everyone else out there, you see Art getting hit on every pass play but we don’t really change our OL so much. Why is that? It’s because the best guys are out there. Think before you hate fans.

Trust me those of you who want the guys on the bench playing are wrong 70% of the time. Maybe more.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Oh BABY !! you are sooo right, the cluless fans are out in force again in this thread for sure !! !!

The cesspool this board has become just gets worse and worse

This board is a total ********. No other way to describe it and the posters who bash 1& year old kids on a message are the worst kind of people. Total scum IMO.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Floods Laviano crush was really the OC McDaniel's crush. The same crush was also shared by Mehringer. Give the kid some credit

Laviano looked pretty good when he had Carroo to throw to. He wasn’t our best QB but he could play. Fans ahould watch the MSU game again and not harp on the 4th down spike which meant nothing because we didn’t have a play in and time would have run out. Kid played VERY well that day. Last really well played game by a RU QB. Great reads, great command of the huddle and pretty good passing.

 

[realhoops2]

We have consistently chosen the qb based on "practice", on 7 on 7s, throwing videos etc, rather than game opportunities and results.

This past year as an ex we should have seen what Lewis and Chatman could do to see if they were gamers. Instead, we stayed with one who looked best in the non game activities. it's been quite an RU pattern, which shows little sign of changing..

I agree 100%. At minimum Lewis and Chatman should have been given extended game time (a half in 1 game each minimum) to see if they could spark the offense.

 

[Yeah Baby]

I agree 100%. At minimum Lewis and Chatman should have been given extended game time (a half in 1 game each minimum) to see if they could spark the offense.

Nobody really does that but it would have been nice to see what they had in retrospect.

 

[zappaa]

Not sure we had a better QB but I wasn’t talking about Art per se. We won’t know for. Couple of years if he is the right guy. What I am saying is the coaches were 100% right about Teel and Nova. We won games when they started and the other guys...not so much.

We don’t have anyone on the roster who has won a lot of games so we go with the guy with the highest ceiling this year. Hopefully it pays off. Maybe we win 4 with Gio again and then next year we are back to square one.

To everyone else out there, you see Art getting hit on every pass play but we don’t really change our OL so much. Why is that? It’s because the best guys are out there. Think before you hate fans.

Trust me those of you who want the guys on the bench playing are wrong 70% of the time. Maybe more.

You’re not sure we had a better QB?
That’s impossible!
What Art does in a couple years means nothing to the seniors who could have graduated with a couple more wins under their belt... he had no business being on the field this year

 

[realhoops2]

Nobody really does that but it would have been nice to see what they had in retrospect.

You may be right that nobody does that but nobody has had a QB situation as bad as RU the last few seasons. Desperate times calls for desperate measures!

 

[Hondo77]

Savage was a freshman All-American. Maybe???

And then came The Wild Knight.

 

[Yeah Baby]

You’re not sure we had a better QB?
That’s impossible!
What Art does in a couple years means nothing to the seniors who could have graduated with a couple more wins under their belt... he had no business being on the field this year

Pro style QBs develop with reps. They don’t make plays with their feet. We saw this with Teel in 2005 even though he had the benefit of a redshirt in 2004. Having said that he did not start every game or play every game in 2005. The reason being we were a bowl blind team and Hart was a good passing QB. We had no other passers this year. Gio would have kept games closer with his heart and effort. Then next year would have been much worse IMO.

 

[zappaa]

Pro style QBs develop with reps. They don’t make plays with their feet. We saw this with Teel in 2095? even though he had the benefit of a redshirt in 2004. Having said that he did not start every game or play every game in 2005. The reason being we were a bowl blind team and Hart was a good passing QB. We had no other passers this year. Gio would have kept games closer with his heart and effort. Then next year would have been much worse IMO.

Seniors don’t care about next year and coaches should play the guy that gives you the best chance to win.
Gio has a completely serviceable arm.

I’ll argue with you a true freshman should never play unless he realizes some success and flashes of play making ability.
Playing Art was more damaging than helpful

 

[RU_DIO]

2 major problems for us:

Recruiting
Pro Style Offense.

 

[Knight Shift]

2 major problems for us:

Recruiting
Pro Style Offense.

Ash
Timeouts
Arrests and Dismissals
A President Who Doesn't Care about Athletics
A HC Contract that is an Albatross
Blocking
WRs


Other than the above, everything is fine.

 

[zappaa]

2 major problems for us:

Recruiting
Pro Style Offense.

it’s called no chance for success for us in this league

 

[Knight Shift]

it’s called no chance for success for us in this league

You are not complaining, are you?

 

[RU_DIO]

Ash
Timeouts
Arrests and Dismissals
A President Who Doesn't Care about Athletics
A HC Contract that is an Albatross
Blocking
WRs


Other than the above, everything is fine.

Well I was speaking about the QB position and our offense but those are good points about the entire program.