Confirmed: Ash is back next year

[RU4Real]

who gave him that contract....and also not sure that it had to be used anyhow...Hobbs ****ed up by hiring him which is correctable but by extending him which created this shitshow

It was not an extension.

Repeat, please.

"It was not an extension".

Ash's actual contract, his 5 year deal, didn't kick in until the sanctions were lifted. Prior to that he was working on a contingent agreement. That was the original deal - basically, that he (Ash) could walk at any time during the period when RU was under sanction but when those sanctions ended his actual 5 year deal kicked in.

And, again, as @Knight Shift has pointed out, this is a very common arrangement under the circumstances.

 

[LC-88]

I think the poster was making a veiled reference that former AD Fred Gruninger was a golf coach.
Fred has been blamed for costing RU many many millions and counting by keeping RU out if the Big East and pursuing an all eastern sports conference in the late 70s and early 80s w Penn state, Syracuse. BC, yada. Though his snotty daughter was a highschool classmate and my pharmacist dad RIP said he was unfriendly (liked the sheas) I do know Mr Gruninger cared and up to a few years ago always seemed to run into him and the Mrs on their way to the Audi club (back from NC). Would always stop for a few words. Also ran a relatively clean sports program.

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Correct. Not joining BE, twice, killed our hoops program. He also brought us Littlepage and Shea, and kicked Frank Burns to the curb.

 

[GuessYouWereWrong]

The rest of the Big 10 smiles, knowing they’ll have an extra bye-week next season.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2018/11/chris_ash_pat_hobbs_rutgers_column_politi.html

 

[yesrutgers01]

nothing is confirmed, the inside sources refer back to a message from Hobbs during the summer about how Ash's job is safe...ARE YOU kidding me?

We have better inside sources on this board, and that isnt saying much...just saying

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

All this means is there wasn't any better coaches out there through feelers wanting to take this job over, so we are stuck with Ash with different assistants, changes to DC, OL, WR, for 1 more year.

 

[Knight Shift]

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2018/11/chris_ash_pat_hobbs_rutgers_column_politi.html

I would not line my bird cage with that article. Politi is such a tool.

"No matter how many prominent Rutgers supporters told him that he needed to make a change, no matter how many times a well-meaning colleague tried to point out that man he hired to coach the football team was in over his head, Pat Hobbs was defiant."

Name the prominent Rutgers supporters who told him this.

And "defiant?" Doubtful. Probably "resigned" because of the budget. Just wondering if next year really presents a better financial opportunity.

 

[RUDead]

I can't believe some of you guys are falling for the Politi trap again. Pathetic.

 

[bac2therac]

I would not line my bird cage with that article. Politi is such a tool.

"No matter how many prominent Rutgers supporters told him that he needed to make a change, no matter how many times a well-meaning colleague tried to point out that man he hired to coach the football team was in over his head, Pat Hobbs was defiant."

Name the prominent Rutgers supporters who told him this.

And "defiant?" Doubtful. Probably "resigned" because of the budget. Just wondering if next year really presents a better financial opportunity.

he created this mess, he is responsible for getting us out of it...before everyone leaves the building. Sorry all your inane spin cannot wipe away the decision making process of Hobbs

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I would not line my bird cage with that article. Politi is such a tool.

"No matter how many prominent Rutgers supporters told him that he needed to make a change, no matter how many times a well-meaning colleague tried to point out that man he hired to coach the football team was in over his head, Pat Hobbs was defiant."

Name the prominent Rutgers supporters who told him this.

And "defiant?" Doubtful. Probably "resigned" because of the budget. Just wondering if next year really presents a better financial opportunity.

Not a fan of Politi but the article seemed fair for the most part. Hobbs is definitely spending a lot of capital here...I mean he might not have any choice due to money issues but it doesn't change the fact.....and I was never a fan of the original contract/MOU terms without knowing what the sanctions were. I still think Hobbs will and should get another crack at a hire but if he keeps Ash a lot of goodwill has been used.

It's also fair to say...if he's staying why no official comment yet from Hobbs. What's gained by waiting. I've always thought he was coming back because we're RU and I even said before the season hypothetically even with a winless season he'd be coming back. Still holding out a little hope for a change because of the lack of comment from Hobbs but I've always been in see it to believe it mode.

Even with the record I would have felt more hope if we were running the spread with a spread OC with some gravitas but I know that's not happening. After this 1 win season I suppose it has to be bowl or bust next year and even if he does make a bowl we better not see any contract extensions/guarantees. I don't want a Mike Macityre situation giving out shiny contracts off short terms results.

 

[bac2therac]

common arrangement for a never before head coach to get 7 years...sure

and the sanctions were not really sanctions..stop trying to justify this as a contract that was mandatory

 

[Block R]

I would not line my bird cage with that article. Politi is such a tool.

"No matter how many prominent Rutgers supporters told him that he needed to make a change, no matter how many times a well-meaning colleague tried to point out that man he hired to coach the football team was in over his head, Pat Hobbs was defiant."

Name the prominent Rutgers supporters who told him this.

And "defiant?" Doubtful. Probably "resigned" because of the budget. Just wondering if next year really presents a better financial opportunity.

How do you know they didn't? Politi is often a tool but I would expect he has better sources on this than you do and wouldn't include that in his column without anything to back it up.

 

[Steve91562]

Can't blame Hobbs if Barchi is the one who is keeping the budget miniscule.

Didn't Hobbs interview and hire Ash?

Didn't Hobbs bind our cash strapped university to this unproven HC candidate for 7 years?

Didn't Hobbs negotiate this terribly one-sided contract?

Didn't Hobbs questionably extend Ash under said contract?

Didn't Hobbs fail to raise the $$ to effectuate necessary changes?

Yes, you can blame Hobbs for some of this fiasco.

 

[RU from Jersey_rivals]

Well, I just saved some money next year.

 

[RUbot]

When your highest rated recruit’s best offer is Temple, you’re not a very good recruiter.


[jumpingsmile][roll]

Who recruited Pacheco and Avery Young? Was that Floods regime? I thought I saw a thread on this board recently discussing Pacheco along with some of the best RB’s ever at RU

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

How do you know that the Rutgers admin will spend that money on athletics?

Because that money is ONLY for athletics, the AD is treated like its own school with its own budget separate from the rest of Rutgers. It takes loans and money from the rest of Rutgers but with the full payout it will no longer have to do that as much, besides student fees.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2018/11/chris_ash_pat_hobbs_rutgers_column_politi.html

He must have been reading this thread, LOL.

 

[GuessYouWereWrong]

Who recruited Pacheco and Avery Young? Was that Floods regime? I thought I saw a thread on this board recently discussing Pacheco along with some of the best RB’s ever at RU

You’re right. Both are great players (I think Pacheco might end up being one of the Big10s best, I truly believe that). They were more “diamond in the rough” recruits who have really panned out.

I meant moreso from a “head to head” recruiting aspect, based on 247s recruiting rankings, and Ash’s results when recruiting against other P5 teams.

OSU fans often thought Ash and Warriner were some of the weaker recruiters on the staff. Being a weak recruiter at a school with as many built in advantages as OSU is a bad omen.

 

[BlockR]

instead of NJ.com digging into air flight costs for recruiting they should dig into Hobbs relationship to his agent and the connection to Ash agent and how this disaster of an extension deal was cooked up.
If Ash comes back,and sends the football program further into the red,Hobbs probably needs to be fired.

 

[BlockR]

All this means is there wasn't any better coaches out there through feelers wanting to take this job over, so we are stuck with Ash with different assistants, changes to DC, OL, WR, for 1 more year.

no,not true at all.It means.
1. Barchi wouldnt approve spending the money because he could care less.
2.Hobbs refusing to admit his mistake about 'his guy,' his signature failure of a hire,then an extension,with Asherror.
If Hobbs approves the hiring of any assts to more then a one year contract,it shows how clueless he really is ,and not the guy to run a power five athletic department.

 

[Knight Shift]

How do you know they didn't? Politi is often a tool but I would expect he has better sources on this than you do and wouldn't include that in his column without anything to back it up.

That is fine, but the reality is that obviously, when it came down to $$$, there were not enough prominent supporters willing to pony up the $$$ to get rid of Ash. Politi's first paragraph is a great one for riling up the fans, but I am nearly certain that Politi had the 180 degree story on how wasteful Rutgers is by firing Ash with 4 years on his contract and costing the school $10 million. He is a tool.

 

[Knight Shift]

Not a fan of Politi but the article seemed fair for the most part. Hobbs is definitely spending a lot of capital here...I mean he might not have any choice due to money issues but it doesn't change the fact.....and I was never a fan of the original contract/MOU terms without knowing what the sanctions were. I still think Hobbs will and should get another crack at a hire but if he keeps Ash a lot of goodwill has been used.

It's also fair to say...if he's staying why no official comment yet from Hobbs. What's gained by waiting. I've always thought he was coming back because we're RU and I even said before the season hypothetically even with a winless season he'd be coming back. Still holding out a little hope for a change because of the lack of comment from Hobbs but I've always been in see it to believe it mode.

Even with the record I would have felt more hope if we were running the spread with a spread OC with some gravitas but I know that's not happening. After this 1 win season I suppose it has to be bowl or bust next year and even if he does make a bowl we better not see any contract extensions/guarantees. I don't want a Mike Macityre situation giving out shiny contracts off short terms results.

I agree with everything you said. I wanted Ash gone. I want an air raid offense. I want to be an astronaut. It ain't happening. I am moving on.

 

[Upstream]

I would not line my bird cage with that article. Politi is such a tool.

"No matter how many prominent Rutgers supporters told him that he needed to make a change, no matter how many times a well-meaning colleague tried to point out that man he hired to coach the football team was in over his head, Pat Hobbs was defiant."

Name the prominent Rutgers supporters who told him this.

And "defiant?" Doubtful. Probably "resigned" because of the budget. Just wondering if next year really presents a better financial opportunity.

I've heard from some very-deep-pocket donors last week that they've discussed Ash with Hobbs, and they left with the impression that Hobbs is unwilling to admit that Ash has failed as that would be tantamount to Hobbs admitting he failed in hiring Ash. From what they told me, Hobbs believes that with additional time, Ash will turn it around and be successful.

From what I've been told, rather than the budget being the thing that prevents Hobbs from making a change, it will be the budget and reality of massive losses in revenue that will force Hobbs to make a change.

 

[Knight Shift]

he created this mess, he is responsible for getting us out of it...before everyone leaves the building. Sorry all your inane spin cannot wipe away the decision making process of Hobbs

Spin? Politi is the one spinning.
He "created this mess." No, the mess started with Flood and continued with Julie. Hobbs hired someone who he thought would clean up the mess. Well, that has not worked out. I will make myself clear. I wanted Ash gone. But Hobbs is not the problem. You can spin quip all you want, but Hobbs should not be fired for misjudging one coaching hire when you look at his whole body of work.

 

[Knight Shift]

I've heard from some very-deep-pocket donors last week that they've discussed Ash with Hobbs, and they left with the impression that Hobbs is unwilling to admit that Ash has failed as that would be tantamount to Hobbs admitting he failed in hiring Ash. From what they told me, Hobbs believes that with additional time, Ash will turn it around and be successful.

From what I've been told, rather than the budget being the thing that prevents Hobbs from making a change, it will be the budget and reality of massive losses in revenue that will force Hobbs to make a change.

Interesting. Ash better show AT LEAST a 5-7 record next year, or better yet, get to a bowl.

 

[cicero grimes]

Just let it rip, dude.
I pointed out the Purdue AD as at Georgia Tech, first sport, and he had no football experience at quite a formidable football school. I used no personal attacks in my post, but as usual, you just let it rip with insults. Have a good night, pal.

Repectfully, the Louisville AD was Jurich for years. The new AD just came on in wake of the BBall scandal. I think the jury is out on him.

 

[cicero grimes]

Didn't Hobbs interview and hire Ash?

Didn't Hobbs bind our cash strapped university to this unproven HC candidate for 7 years?

Didn't Hobbs negotiate this terribly one-sided contract?

Didn't Hobbs questionably extend Ash under said contract?

Didn't Hobbs fail to raise the $$ to effectuate necessary changes?

Yes, you can blame Hobbs for some of this fiasco.

And BBall while improved still has not won anything yet,

 

[mildone_rivals]

If Hobbs has all these resources, why did he base his entire hiring process on some mythical "best interview ever"?

Because it was a probably a very good interview and presented a really good plan. Things don't always work out. Hindsight is 20-20. I've hired people who turned out even better than I expected. And I've hired people who didn't work out. It happens.

 

[jabbs1]

I am not a fan of Politi but I cannot disagree with this article. I have more of a problem with the Sarge article on the cost of Jets in recruiting.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

That is fine, but the reality is that obviously, when it came down to $$$, there were not enough prominent supporters willing to pony up the $$$ to get rid of Ash. Politi's first paragraph is a great one for riling up the fans, but I am nearly certain that Politi had the 180 degree story on how wasteful Rutgers is by firing Ash with 4 years on his contract and costing the school $10 million. He is a tool.

Agree with that bit, if not him someone there would have come out with an article about the buyout money even if privately funded.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I've heard from some very-deep-pocket donors last week that they've discussed Ash with Hobbs, and they left with the impression that Hobbs is unwilling to admit that Ash has failed as that would be tantamount to Hobbs admitting he failed in hiring Ash. From what they told me, Hobbs believes that with additional time, Ash will turn it around and be successful.

From what I've been told, rather than the budget being the thing that prevents Hobbs from making a change, it will be the budget and reality of massive losses in revenue that will force Hobbs to make a change.

Your first paragraph sounds similar to what Politi said then. I suppose it's typical though...ADs will give their own hires every opportunity to succeed and will cut the cord quick on someone else's hire.

 

[ru1869]

Interesting. Ash better show AT LEAST a 5-7 record next year, or better yet, get to a bowl.

Not happening.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

I've heard from some very-deep-pocket donors last week that they've discussed Ash with Hobbs, and they left with the impression that Hobbs is unwilling to admit that Ash has failed as that would be tantamount to Hobbs admitting he failed in hiring Ash. From what they told me, Hobbs believes that with additional time, Ash will turn it around and be successful.

From what I've been told, rather than the budget being the thing that prevents Hobbs from making a change, it will be the budget and reality of massive losses in revenue that will force Hobbs to make a change.

Hobbs must have an awful lot of “faith without results.”

 

[Knight Shift]

Repectfully, the Louisville AD was Jurich for years. The new AD just came on in wake of the BBall scandal. I think the jury is out on him.

Respectfully, Jurich was running a crooked operation. He gave Petrino a HUUUGE extension and payout right before he was canned. In hindsight, every move has the potential to look either brilliant or disastrous. Can understand the angst here, but some of it is just over the top. The last 2 days, the board was pretty much resigned to the notion that Ash was coming back. Don't understand some of the total outrage with the news breaking.

 

[Wolv RU]

I've heard from some very-deep-pocket donors last week that they've discussed Ash with Hobbs, and they left with the impression that Hobbs is unwilling to admit that Ash has failed as that would be tantamount to Hobbs admitting he failed in hiring Ash. From what they told me, Hobbs believes that with additional time, Ash will turn it around and be successful.

From what I've been told, rather than the budget being the thing that prevents Hobbs from making a change, it will be the budget and reality of massive losses in revenue that will force Hobbs to make a change.

This means he's the wrong guy for the AD job. He can have Ash and cratering ticket sales for one more year and if that doesn't work out both must go as he now has shown can't be involved with the hiring of the next coach.

 

[tico brown]

Because that money is ONLY for athletics, the AD is treated like its own school with its own budget separate from the rest of Rutgers. It takes loans and money from the rest of Rutgers but with the full payout it will no longer have to do that as much, besides student fees.

I hope youre right. I thought i read elsewhere that the admin and politicians were counting down i til they could get their hands on the full payouts. Like i said, maybe im wrong but this would be so NJ lol.

 

[Wolv RU]

Spin? Politi is the one spinning.
He "created this mess." No, the mess started with Flood and continued with Julie. Hobbs hired someone who he thought would clean up the mess. Well, that has not worked out. I will make myself clear. I wanted Ash gone. But Hobbs is not the problem. You can spin quip all you want, but Hobbs should not be fired for misjudging one coaching hire when you look at his whole body of work.

The problem is that he keeps doubling down on it and making it harder to fix.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I hope youre right. I thought i read elsewhere that the admin and politicians were counting down i til they could get their hands on the full payouts. Like i said, maybe im wrong but this would be so NJ lol.

100% not true! But I am sure some people wish it was true, LOL.

 

[Upstream]

Your first paragraph sounds similar to what Politi said then.

Yes. That's why I posted that, since another poster was questioning Politi's sources. It could be we both heard the same thing from the same deep-pocket donors, or from different donors. But Politi doesn't seem to be off-base in what he heard.

However, that doesn't mean that what we heard is correct. Maybe Hobb's isn't as enamored with Ash as he seems to be when talking with major donors.

 

[chase07470]

Hobbs has attached his career now to Ash and I look forward to the day when the inexperience, the incompetence and their comically supercilious arrogance is far, far away from our football program.