So your expectations are at least a decade plus of failure for the Yankees, based on your stated view of failure. Yes?
Let's go METS 2016 thread ......Just get in and anything can happen!
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Now with the 2nd WC in play, I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks make the playoffs next year. More likely not, but still, I wouldn't be shocked. If I was making a bet, I would say 2018. The Yanks are heading in the right direction and it's going to be fun to watch!
That would, at least, make it 9 years of not winning a worlds championship. How many years of expecting failure and not winning a World Series, do you think it takes before the fan base takes on developing a loser's mentality? Reading your and Kbee's answers that you may in the next couple of years squeak into the second WC but have no expectation of winning a World Series, it sounds like you guys are there.
That seems fair. You can knock the mets around for having a failed season, but the Mets fans should be able to criticize you for adopting a loser's mentality and for rooting for a failure of an organization. I'm glad we're in agreement.
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Wow. Talk about timing. You just beat me with your latest post. Sorry. I had to walk the ugly rat.(Actually he's a Shih Tzu)
I'd just add to my post above that it has indeed been too long since the Yankees won a championship. And I never referred to the mets as the jv team. "Little brother" is more like how I see it. And I've also spoken many times about how much more I'd like to see the Yankees spend on improving their ballclub...especially through free agency. With their income they can surely afford a "bloated" payroll. If we had Daniel Murphy at second base and perhaps another quality starter through free agency we'd be ahead of the Bosux. Hopefully, Yankees leadership is as sick of disappointing seasons as I am.
And finally, the idea that one can project how many seasons it will take for the Yanks to get back to where everyone expects them to be is absurd. Just ask mets fans....who never expected their team at this point in this season to be closing in on the Braves and the Phillies instead of the Nationals Just reread this overlong thread and you'll see mets fans explaining just about all of the things that can derail a team. Chit happens.
And I think you now this.
You've accepted the loser's mentality about the Yankees that the Mets fan base has developed. It sounds like the fans of the two organizations are in the same boat. Two failed organizations with fan bases that expect failure.
Nah. This weasel is cool with 27 World Championships.
I checked with a couple of mets fans the other day and they said it gets real bad after 25-30 years. Hopefully, the Yankees won't have to wait THAT long.
You don't see the loser mentality in pointing to the number of worlds championships won, especially since all but one occurred in the last century.
You do know it's 2016, right?
After 2000 everything else is gravy.....and there's been plenty of gravy.
For mets fans not so much. I hear you though. If the Yanks had won one World Series in over 45 years, I'd be pissed.
BTW, whenever I get a little bummed over a Yankees setback I just look over at Citifield and think of that song "There But For Fortune".
You've had one WS this century and that's plenty of gravy? You're continuing with the loser mentality, you seem to so dispise. You might as well be a ND fan telling me about the great Lou Holtz.
You've been clear that the Mets ownership doesn't invest money in the team and that the Mets are the "little brother." So how can you have any expectations for the Mets to be successful? It sounds like the Yankees should be successful yearly based on all the things you've clearly pointed out. They have a bigger fan base, owners who invest in the team, and a history of success. All these benefits should make them perennial contenders.
Based on your reasoning, this year has been a significantly greater dumpster fire in the Bronx than in Queens. You should constantly be posting about how big an embarrassment this years Yankees team is. What am I missing about your rationale or are you just taking the weasel approach and deriding a team that you expect less from than your own?
You're like the rich old white guy that derides all the poor and minorities for not reaching your level of success, even though they don't have anywhere near your resources. Sounds like a weasel to me.
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ND, seriously? Stop trying to reach. That Yanks have won 5 WS Championships since ND won their last NC. They have also not been under .500 since 1992. Relax.
And still you've only won one WS this century. It's 2016, let me know when the Pros make it to the Bronx. ND played in the championship game two years ago. When was the last year the Yankees played in the WS?
I'm not the one interjecting myself in a thread about a team I don't root for. Nor am I trying to demean that team by calling them JV or the "little brother." You and KBee are the ones who seem to have been upset that Mets fans could possibly be happy with last season and had high expectations for this one. I think you're the one who should take his own advice and Relax. Why so upset at Met fans rooting for their team?
If you take so much pleasure in pointing out failed baseball teams and are so offended by ignorant fan bases, maybe you can start a thread about the dumpster fire of season going on in the Bronx.
So now your standard of success, is how long it's been since you were under .500? The goal posts keep moving closer and closer. A sure sign of a loser's mentality.
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Judge and Austin called up today and are the first players in MLB history to hit back-to-back HRs in their first at bats!
It's good to be a Yankees fan. Here comes the new core! :sunglasses:
Clearly a sign of future success. You still haven't explained why you post this in a Mets thread, but refuse to start a Yankee thread where this information would actually be relevant.
You're in fourth place and are six games back. I can't imagine how good it is to be a Yankees fan these days.
Do you think this young core will juice as much as Giambi, Arod, Clemens, Pettitte, Jeter and Rivera? Those guys were great when they were HGHing
Their fans on this thread will have as much juice as a douche nozzle, well, because if the shoe fits. . . . .
Hold on there. This season isn't over yet. There is a poster on this board whose father once said something like "It ain't over 'til it's over."
The Yankees currently have the same record as the two teams currently battling for the final playoff spot in the National League. They're not THAT far behind the teams battling for the final playoff spot in the American League. Perhaps this recent injection of youth into the Yankees lineup is providing just the spark that was needed. They're certainly headed in the right direction....unlike their little brothers from Queens.
As for Yankees fans having the audacity to inject some truth and reality into a thread ON THE RUTGERS FOOTBALL BOARD, I suggest you take it to the mets board.....where I promise you we will never venture. Other than that, I suggest if you wanna post dumbass stuff here about the mets...too bad. I see no reason as a regular poster here to not feel free to respond with the truth to any thread ...whether it's the mets, London broil, the weather, or Jimmy Buffet.
So the truth about the Yankees is they're still in it, but the truth about the Mets is they're a dumpster fire?
It's clear that you don't know the difference between the words truth and opinion.
I'm going to say this because I care. If you're older than a prepubescent teen, this board can't help you with your problems. You may actually want to seek some professional help.
LMAO, how many of those 27 WS Championships were won when baseball only had 16 teams, and there was no Wildcard and ALCS. Win the season, and on to the WS. Much easier back in the day. How many of those were you able to celebrate Kbee3?
Amazing game - 5 players under the age of 26 hit homer's today, only the 4th time in the history of MLB. It's starting to look like our future is coming into focus a lot sooner than expected?
How is Generation K 2.0 going?
Wow... the ignore button is awesome ! Reyes back tonight. Ces Friday , Asdrubul Saturday.
If all comeback ,lineup not bad....terry needs to drop Grandy
Reyes
Cabrera
Cespedes
Bruce
Walker
Grandy
Loney
Catcher
Pitcher
If all comeback ,lineup not bad....terry needs to drop Grandy
Reyes
Cabrera
Cespedes
Bruce
Walker
Grandy
Loney
Catcher
Pitcher
Over half the Yankee titles occurred when either blacks couldn't play or Jeter was injecting teammates with HGH.
Drop half of the Yankees' titles and we still have more than anyone else. But keep hating.Almost half the Yankee titles occurred when either blacks couldn't play or Jeter was injecting teammates with HGH.
Those sound like the words of a fan of a team that's lacking in titles.
Better than Joba, Kennedy, and Hughes. They, at least, took us to one WS so far.Amazing game - 5 players under the age of 26 hit homer's today, only the 4th time in the history of MLB. It's starting to look like our future is coming into focus a lot sooner than expected?
How is Generation K 2.0 going?
Since you won't be playing anymore triple AAA teams the rest of the month, except for the Angels who are borderline, I assume you'll be under .500 and in last place September 1. Also, it may be a while before you see a AAAA starter after tomorrow. Your "new blood" might begin to remind of you of Kevin Moss, once they actually face a major league level starter and have to leave that video game of a stadium.
I watched the game and Austin's homer probably wouldn't have gone out of Hall Little League Field in Union. I have to give Judge credit though, something you're unable to do when discussing the Mets due to an emotional disturbance. He absolutely destroyed the pitch from whatever scrap heap pitcher the Rays through out there.
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Spoken by a fan who continues to live in the past. Another sign of the loser mentality you've adopted but yet continue to despise in others. Seek help.
I hesitate to do this in a Mets thread... but, since Yankee fans have (as Yankee fans inevitably do) hijacked this thread to 27th Street, let me offer the following not as criticism but as analysis.
From a competitive balance standpoint, I believe the MLB can be divided into four eras:
From a competitive balance standpoint, I believe the MLB can be divided into four eras:
- Pre-1965, when no rookie draft was in place. Teams were free to sign all the incoming talent they could. Much like college football today, it was a case of the rich get richer. Largely due to the box office failure of "No, No Nanette", and resulting sale of Babe Ruth to the Yankees, no one was richer than the Yanks. They won 20 of their 27 championships during this era.
- 1966-1975. This was the most egalitarian baseball era (although least friendly to the players). The rookie draft was in place and there was no veteran free agency. All teams were pretty much on an equal footing. No championships for the Yanks during this period.
- 1976-2001. The golden era of free agency. Back to the rich get richer. Yanks win six championships during this period, two in a row in 1977-78, and then four in five years from 1996 to 2000.
- 2002-present. The revenue sharing era. The playing field is not completely level, but far less tilted than before. Yanks have won only one championship in this period.
Everyone played by the same rules during the same time period. The Yanks have 27 championships and the next most are the Cards with 11 (who were founded 20 years before the Yanks). Nuff said.
SAE, exactly how bitter are you? Why are you so obsessed with repeating the same stuff about 'loser's mentality' over and over and over again, as if repeating it 600 times will somehow make you correct?...and Met fans accusing Yankee fans of 'living in the past'??? Holy crow...I actually came into this thread to try and get a better sense on what exactly has been happening with the Mets this year (kinda shocked at their record, especially considering last year) and stumbled into this somewhat 'new' twist on the played-out Yankees-Mets debate.
Joe P.
Joe P.
And all NCAA teams are subject to the same rules, correct? Are you suggesting that the University of Alabama (and its peers) do not enjoy significant competitive advantages over Rutgers (and its peers)?
When the rules allowed the Yankees' competitive advantages to be most pronounced, they won. When the rules didn't, the Yankees didn't. That's all I'm saying.
And the mets came through tonight. Big win.
Perhaps this is the beginning of the big turnaround.
No, they don't. The rules are the same, they have just done a better job running the program and building support year over year. It sounds like you are whining because some teams/programs do a better job than others. Do you want everyone to get a participation trophy at the end of the year?
It's been thirty years since the mets won it all. That creates a ton of bitterness.
And 2000 probably stoked the fire real good too. I think the Yankees having a better record than the mets at this point in this season is just too much for some mets fans to handle.
NY market has always been an advantage for them. They've had good ownership while the Mets have mostly had awful ownership. All that said why don't you Yankee fans go start your own thread? I promise to stay out of it if you'll stay out of this on. You're all just trolling now and I think we can all agree that trolls suck.
Trolling...schmolling.
I think I sorta explained the way I feel about your complaint already:
"As for Yankees fans having the audacity to inject some truth and reality into a thread ON THE RUTGERS FOOTBALL BOARD, I suggest you take it to the mets board.....where I promise you we will never venture. Other than that, I suggest if you wanna post dumbass stuff here about the mets...too bad. I see no reason as a regular poster here to not feel free to respond with the truth to any thread ...whether it's the mets, London broil, the weather, or Jimmy Buffet."
I guess you don't see the irony of a Mets thread being hijacked by Yankees fans. The Mets are inconsequential to the storied Yankees. If so, then why take the time to invade a thread called "Let's Go Mets" to put down the JV team and its fans? Unbelievably, you show up and whine when a Mets fan points out the illogical argumentation and how it sounds a lot like the justifications that you hear from typical loser fan bases. Such as the never old "history of success" determinent of future success, the inconsequential "better attendance," and the unknowable "future looks bright." We as Rutgers fans always do it, especially when we can't accept our own athletic history of ineptitude.
Yes, people like KBee and TK make arguments that make it sound like the Yankee fan base has adopted a loser mentality. This thread is littered with the following statements about the Yankees which they've decided are somehow important to Mets fans:
"We haven't been under .500 in 25 years.
We have 26 championships.
We may not be back in the playoffs for several years but we're moving in the right direction.
We may go 10 to 15 years without another WS title but we're not a failed organization, and we're better than you."
Who cares about any of it?
I would rather discuss why the Mets are going to use Niese in Verret's place, even though both pitchers are terrible. I'd like to talk about David Wright and whether he has a future with the Mets. I want Mets' fans opinions on Terry Collins and the job he's doing. I want to discuss mets prospects like Ahmed Rosario, Domonic Smith, and the surprising Gsellman. However, I can't have any of these discussions because idiots like you think it's more important to tell me how great the Yankees are. I would prefer to discuss the Mets with like minded individuals who can objectively look at the team and its season. The only bitterness I have is that I can't do that because Yankee fans, like you, propagate like rats and repeat the same tired cliches.
Get over yourselves, Come back after you've crawled out of fourth place and are actually a competitive team. Start your own thread where you can falate each other about the championships you've never seen and the one game wonders you keep calling your "future base." Enjoy Saverino getting lit up like a Christmas tree by a AAA team. Tell yourselves one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball will be competitive next year. Spend the next three weeks watching the Bronx dumpster fire burn hotter as you play the Orioles, Blue Jays and Royals. Discuss all of it somewhere else. I know this may be a novel idea, but a thread dedicated to this miserable Yankee season should be a good place to start.
Reading your post is quite rich, given how big a whiner you are about all things Penn State and their delusional fan base. Look in the mirror. There may be no more delusional, living in the past, thin skinned fan base than that of the Yankees. Guess what, we as Rutgers fans have the same loser mentality as modern day Yankee fans. We'll talk about our streak of bowl games last decade, our NY tv ratings, how we're located near the largest city in the world, and our fertile recruiting ground. Like I said earlier, none of it matters if we don't win. It's the same for the Yankees. Your past was fantastic, but your present is pitiful. Only winning will change that and you're years from even being a competitive team in your own division.
Yankee fans are bitter about the last couple of season. I get it. You're a bunch of entitled douchebags who can't imagine a world where the Mets may actually have a better team. Guess what, it happens. When Rutgers has a better season than Penn State, I sure hope I don't see any posts from you calling them out for being bitter, living in the past and whining. In truth, any objective person who goes through the entirety of this thread can come to only one conclusion: That years of rooting for a successful franchise have made Yankees fans entitled. However, when things don't go their way they channel their bitterness and discontent into putting the other local team and its fans down. If you want to start a bash the Mets thread go ahead. Given the Yankee fan brainpower that I've been forced to endure, that thread should be quite entertaining.
So please give me a break with the self-righteous bitterness routine. Sit back and enjoy the **** show in the Bronx, without annoying the rest of us. As Mets fans, we have our own problems to deal with.
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Worm you're right. The problem your encountering is that you can't have a rational discussion with these guys. There's no reasoning with the delusional. They didn't come here to discuss baseball. Their only purpose is to denigrate the Mets and their fan base. Sometimes you get the sense that some of them would rather celebrate a Mets loss than a Yankees win.
SAE96. I used others advice ...IGNORE BUTTON !!!!!!
Just somehow get in and you never know. Nobody has 3 dominate pitchers , some barely have two. The issue right now is the Mets are making almost every pitcher look like Arrietta.
Wheeler and Conforto for Lucroy looks a lot different now that wheeler is going to see Dr Andrews again.
Just somehow get in and you never know. Nobody has 3 dominate pitchers , some barely have two. The issue right now is the Mets are making almost every pitcher look like Arrietta.
Wheeler and Conforto for Lucroy looks a lot different now that wheeler is going to see Dr Andrews again.