Class now ranked #21

[RedSpartan]

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/all-teams

Yes, there's a long way to go. Yes, anything can happen. Yes, a lot may depend on how we look this season. But still...

11 commits thus far, 9 from NJ, including top OL, WR, QB and second ranked RB (who runs a damn 10.55 100m!). It's happening. #FenceTheGarden

 

[oldman87]

Rivals is the only one who doesn't have Taylor at #1.

Scouts has Lopez the #1 CB, 247 has yet to rate him.

 

[sct1111]

Jonathan Taylor's recruiting is going to explode.

 

[seels2662]

Jonathan Taylor's recruiting is going to explode.

So is Lewis if he ends up an Elite 11 QB.

Being top 25 in most publications is a big deal. People will talk about it now. On Friday on XM84 they have a show dedicated to recruiting from 11:00 AM to 1:00 PM. Don't be shocked if Rutgers is mentioned there. The more they talk about us the more kids will listen and start to consider us.

 

[scarletschuyler]

Well, numbers don't lie, but I'm trying to believe that we could out recruit SC, UCLA, Stanford, Mich. St, Florida, and Texas. Tell me when to exhale.

 

[ArminRU]

Just waiting for the average star Debbie downers to show up

 

[Knights 1212]

We're moving on up.

 

[superfan01]

Remember when everyone was nervous because this staff had no nj ties and people thought we couldn't recruit nj as a result.

 

[Waldo73]

Scout has class at # 30.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Compared to one year ago today-HAPPY!!!!....blown away this is happening so quick

 

[Knight Shift]

Kyle Flood's first B1G class was #3 in the B1G in August.

 

[oldman87]

Scout has class at # 30.

Both Scout and 247 (#27) still has Watts as a 2 star, that will change soon based on his performance in spring camp and the fact that his recruitment has blown up recently.

 

[CERU00]

Kyle Flood's first B1G class was #3 in the B1G in August.

I knew it couldn't happen... We cant have a single thread where someone doesn' bring up a previous coach.

 

[Knight Shift]

I knew it couldn't happen... We cant have a single thread where someone doesn' bring up a previous coach.

You are right. People usually bring up our old coaches to crap on them.
The OP made the point. There is a long way to go between now and signing day, and anything can happen. We should be very happy right now and cautiously optimistic. But as we learned from the past, we should not get too far ahead of ourselves in June (or July or August or . . . ). Did not mean to bring the thread down.

 

[oldman87]

Shift is suffering from Flood PTSD

 

[scarlet night]

Scout guys will be upping some of our guys rankings soon

 

[RUschool]

You are right. People usually bring up our old coaches to crap on them.
The OP made the point. There is a long way to go between now and signing day, and anything can happen. We should be very happy right now and cautiously optimistic. But as we learned from the past, we should not get too far ahead of ourselves in June (or July or August or . . . ). Did not mean to bring the thread down.

For some reason, I have more confidence in Ash ability to recruit than our old coach Flood.

 

[Knight Shift]

For some reason, I have more confidence in Ash ability to recruit than our old coach Flood.

Just hope everything holds, and the class does not get derailed by offers/defections from elite teams and on field performance. And the circus sideshow and bad press machine that was the AD will not repeat like it did in 2014. So we have that going for us.

 

[CERU00]

You are right. People usually bring up our old coaches to crap on them.
The OP made the point. There is a long way to go between now and signing day, and anything can happen. We should be very happy right now and cautiously optimistic. But as we learned from the past, we should not get too far ahead of ourselves in June (or July or August or . . . ). Did not mean to bring the thread down.

We all know this... but this is a new start with a new staff. No need to keep bringing up the past. We should be confident and hopeful.

 

[wheezer]

I knew it couldn't happen... We cant have a single thread where someone doesn' bring up a previous coach.

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You are missing the point I believe..... We had this exact thread last year, because last year we also had a high number of verbals early..... And with that, a temporarily high ranking by services that do the measuring

It seems that people just forget from one year to the next... A large number of verbals, even three star verbals, puts you high up the rankings for a period of time

....... It is not comparing coaches, it is comparing the similar situation

 

[Knight Shift]

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You are missing the point I believe..... We had this exact thread last year, because last year we also had a high number of verbals early..... And with that, a temporarily high ranking by services that do the measuring

It seems that people just forget from one year to the next... A large number of verbals, even three star verbals, puts you high up the rankings for a period of time

....... It is not comparing coaches, it is comparing the similar situation

Don't try to sugarcoat my post. We are not allowed to bring up the past on this board unless we are assailing or insulting former coaches.

I said this in another thread I started on the USA today story. There is a buzz about RU right now, and we are perceived as a "hot" team for recruiting purposes. We need to ride this hot hand, temper expectations and fend off elite teams as they will try to poach our class. Early indications are that Ash will do a much better job at this than prior coaches. He will also get some leeway this year as the team transitions to a new offense. Unless the on field performance is a total disaster, which I believe is highly unlikely, most of this class should hold and we will all be very happy on signing day.

 

[oldman87]

If you truly believe that, which is what I and most fans believe, why the first post? Were you just playing devil's advocate?

 

[wheezer]

Don't try to sugarcoat my post. We are not allowed to bring up the past on this board unless we are assailing or insulting former coaches.

I said this in another thread I started on the USA today story. There is a buzz about RU right now, and we are perceived as a "hot" team for recruiting purposes. We need to ride this hot hand, temper expectations and fend off elite teams as they will try to poach our class. Early indications are that Ash will do a much better job at this than prior coaches. He will also get some leeway this year as the team transitions to a new offense. Unless the on field performance is a total disaster, which I believe is highly unlikely, most of this class should hold and we will all be very happy on signing day.

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Agreed..... We are definitely doing better in state, and it is being noticed by outsiders who have written favorable articles....

. We have to add a few more high profile recruits, a couple of them are in the top 10 in state

And then we have to hang onto them till signing date..... At least one of our prizes will be tempted
Sometime in the future..... A test for our staff.

All this we all know as fans..... And all this has nothing to do with any current ranking of the class.... we should not get overly excited with a ranking on the first day of June.

 

[Knight Shift]

If you truly believe that, which is what I and most fans believe, why the first post? Were you just playing devil's advocate?

Geez, not sure how to answer, as we are not allowed to talk about the past and only be positive. You know what the one key missing ingredient in the analysis is right now? What kind of game day coach is Chris Ash? All of us want to believe he will be fantastic, but how do we know until we see his on the field performance? A lot of folks on this board are already giving him a ton of slack because the field will be full of the former coach's (dare we speak his name) recruits. If this board is any indication, the FANS will be patient, but will the RECRUITS show the same patience?

There is a bit of irony on this board. Folks used to pummel Flood for getting recruits that did not have high star ratings. Someone above even threw a warning flag that the star ratings should not be brought up. I never gave star ratings a lot of weight. But is it not a fair point to look at the linked rankings and ask how is Northwestern, with zero 4 and 5 star recruits ranked ahead of Maryland, with one 5 star and two 4 star recruits, or Nebraska with four 4 star recruits?
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/big-ten

 

[oldman87]

Was it so hard to say all that without mentioning Flood?

No one is delusional about what June recruiting rankings mean, everyone has been around long enough to know how to read it in context. Yes on field performance will affect keeping the class together but I have a sneaky suspicion that Ash and this crew will do a much better job in looking at least competitive on the field even with the little that we have, as well as in both staying on top of already committed kids and managing their expectations.

 

[Knight Shift]

Was it so hard to say all that without mentioning Flood?

No one is delusional about what June recruiting rankings mean, everyone has been around long enough to know how to read it in context. Yes on field performance will affect keeping the class together but I have a sneaky suspicion that Ash and this crew will do a much better job in looking at least competitive on the field even with the little that we have, as well as in both staying on top of already committed kids and managing their expectations.

Why does mentioning Flood get some folks so worked up here? Seems to be an odd double standard. Will make a mental note of it.

 

[oldman87]

Because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Flood based your posts across different threads. I know you fought a good fight for a few years as a loyal fan and have taken and given countless grieves over the issue of Flood but the fact is, Flood turned out to be a complete disaster for Rutgers on and off the field, time to end the love affair and stop fighting the battle that has already ended.

 

[Knight Shift]

Because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Flood based your posts across different threads. I know you fought a good fight for a few years as a loyal fan and have taken and given countless grieves over the issue of Flood but the fact is, Flood turned out to be a complete disaster for Rutgers on and off the field, time to end the love affair and stop fighting the battle that has already ended.

LOL. Thought you were smarter than that. Love affair. That's good. I have a love affair with my alma mater, and remaining positive in the face of adversity. For the record, I am glad he and the clown show of an AD are both gone. Today was a day where a lot of irony and duplicity came to light. You can look at numbers, ratings and statistics many different ways to make a case for or against something. Let's just look forward, and hope that everyone follows the admonition to not compare to the past regime(s). Peace.

 

[oldman87]

Ok perhaps love affair was too strong, my apologies. Don't go to bed mad.

 

[Alamo Al]

Nice that we are there for now, but wait til the programs such as Mich St, Wisc, etc, get in full gear. I doubt we wind up really low unless the recruitment takes a dip, but I think a top 25 rating will be a bit lofty.....for this year. I decent season, at least 6-6, better yet, 7-5 with a bowl, will b ea boost for the next cycle. Ash and staff are doing a pretty god job considering the recent disaster and whom we are up against. Out recruiting Penn St would be great but difficult.

 

[TheVictors97]

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You are missing the point I believe..... We had this exact thread last year, because last year we also had a high number of verbals early..... And with that, a temporarily high ranking by services that do the measuring

It seems that people just forget from one year to the next... A large number of verbals, even three star verbals, puts you high up the rankings for a period of time

....... It is not comparing coaches, it is comparing the similar situation

As I look at the number of Rutgers Verbal's it is at 11. 8 of the teams ahead have more. I think it is time for the Rutgers faithful to be positive. My only caution is most of the 11 are from NJ. I would be hoping to bring in kids from around the region and country to help overall talent pool.
Time will tell.
What is the anticipated class size for Rutgers this year?

 

[RU from Jersey_rivals]

If RU shows improvement, on the field, this class will pretty much stick(it is exciting to be part of something new and improved). If RU craps the bed look for many defections as doubt will creep in and the negative recruiting will take off.

 

[Virginiarufan]

To whoever was comparing this year to last year, and saying we were in a similar situation, are you smoking crack? You can't be serious. We couldn't get a verbal from a NJ kid to save our lives last year, let alone one in the top 10 in state. Don't even pretend that happened last year, it didn't. This is not a similar situation.

And I really don't see how this is similar to Flood's first recruiting class in the B1G. We have a coach that was the D-coordinator of a national championship team and a staff of go-getters that have all been on brand-name, very successful P5 staffs. They know what it takes to hold a class together. Kyle Flood's staff was a rag-tag group of buddies he rounded up from Colgate, Columbia and Hofstra. The current staff has proven that they're willing to outwork anyone from day one, and they haven't let up since. Comparing that to the Kyle Flood regime couldn't be more inaccurate. So stop comparing and foreshadowing the worst possible situation, it will not happen with this staff.

 

[RBS05]

All you have to do is look at the list of where we stood with NJ commits in 2016 and where we stand now with 2017 to see the differences in recruiting. I call ******** on this "we were in the exact same spot last year" crap.

 

[j10oreo]

I knew it couldn't happen... We cant have a single thread where someone doesn' bring up a previous coach.

but at the same time, it's relevant.

 

[wheezer]

To whoever was comparing this year to last year, and saying we were in a similar situation, are you smoking crack? You can't be serious. We couldn't get a verbal from a NJ kid to save our lives last year, let alone one in the top 10 in state. Don't even pretend that happened last year, it didn't. This is not a similar situation.

And I really don't see how this is similar to Flood's first recruiting class in the B1G. We have a coach that was the D-coordinator of a national championship team and a staff of go-getters that have all been on brand-name, very successful P5 staffs. They know what it takes to hold a class together. Kyle Flood's staff was a rag-tag group of buddies he rounded up from Colgate, Columbia and Hofstra. The current staff has proven that they're willing to outwork anyone from day one, and they haven't let up since. Comparing that to the Kyle Flood regime couldn't be more inaccurate. So stop comparing and foreshadowing the worst possible situation, it will not happen with this staff.

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you seem to misunderstand..... the discussion is about our class rank at this point in time....and this year is much like last year, and several other years, in the fact that RU has more verbals at this point in time
than a lot of other programs....it played out the same last year.

click on the link on the first post and look at the number of recruits that the teams have, from around number 30 through 50 or so.... the vast majority have at least three less recruits than RU.....teams like Tennessee (8), Auburn (5), Florida (6) Stanford (5) Michigan st (8)... most of these programs will more than likely surpass RU in total points by signing.....Now, I hope like hell we land multiple 4 star players and wind up in the top 20 and stay ahead of those teams, but their recruiting, while less numbers, has higher rated recruits, for the most part, and it will take a lot of work to stay ahead

so don't confuse the debate about class ranking with us having a better recruiting coach and staff in place this year....we do...... we have secured the verbals of many of the top NJ players

 

[RBS05]

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you seem to misunderstand..... the discussion is about our class rank at this point in time....and this year is much like last year, and several other years, in the fact that RU has more verbals at this point in time
than a lot of other programs....it played out the same last year.

to prove this, click on the link on the first post and look at the number of recruits that the teams have, from around number 30 through 50 or so.... the vast majority have at least three less recruits than RU.....teams like Tennessee (8), Auburn (5), Florida (6) Stanford (5) Michigan st (8)... most of these programs will more than likely surpass RU in total points by signing.....Now, I hope like hell we land multiple 4 star players and wind up in the top 20 and stay ahead of those teams, but their recruiting, while less numbers, has higher rated recruits, for the most part

so don't confuse the debate about class ranking with us having a better recruiting coach and staff in place....we do......

I believe we had 6 verbals at this point last year. The 4 still showing on our commit list plus Russo and Wright. I don't think you're accurately remembering where we were. I seem to recall posts like "class is up to #35". There's a huge difference between #21 and #35.

 

[wheezer]

I believe we had 6 verbals at this point last year. The 4 still showing on our commit list plus Russo and Wright. I don't think you're accurately remembering where we were. I seem to recall posts like "class is up to #35". There's a huge difference between #21 and #35.

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I definitely remember this discussion last year..... it may not be exactly at the beginning of June, but we always seem to have fans
excited about an early ranking, and then in the end we wind up at 40 or a bit worse
could not tell you if it was at 21, or 31.... the point still remains that, while encouraging, it will take a lot of 4 star players to remain in that ballpark.

 

[NBKnight]

but at the same time, it's relevant.

But it is not relevant, different staffs.

 

[Knight Shift]

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I definitely remember this discussion last year..... it may not be exactly at the beginning of June, but we always seem to have fans
excited about an early ranking, and then in the end we wind up at 40 or a bit worse
could not tell you if it was at 21, or 31.... the point still remains that, while encouraging, it will take a lot of 4 star players to remain in that ballpark.

Here you go:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ut-of-25-commits-with-one-4-2016-looks.13068/
June 6, 2015.
9 commits, seven 3 stars (and Russo who should have been a 3 star to many here). Think there was a thread on Round Table saying that put us at #37. But, believe that was based on #'s of recruits, which is fluid among teams.