MAGA gets slapped again
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GTFO with the childish name calling BS. That happens on here all the time. Its rare that it doesn't. If you need a safe space then I'd go elsewhere.Did you read the articles I linked to? If you did, please point me to where any Democrats oppose late term abortions? (especially in the legislation they sponsor) The whole point of those stories was to show you how they (Dems) are fighting for NO RESTRCTIONS on it at any time? Can you not see that accusing me of being brainwashed?
Also can we please have a "rational" discussion about this contentious issue without your childish name calling?
What have we established?
21 weeks (5 months old) is "too late" to kill an unborn Baby...Agreed?
...at least that's what you posted
Late term abortions (those just moments before a baby is born) are heinous and should be banned...Agreed?
You said no one supports that
Democrats do not favor any restrictions on abortion at any time for any reason...they want it left up to the mother....Agreed?
That's actually what they support in their legislation
Most Americans want abortion available at some point in some way...but not late term abortions...Agreed?
That's clearly what the polls show, and also what you stated
So the only thing I'm not sure on since we've established we agree on all of those things described above is where YOU stand on it and how YOU vote on it? Do you favor restrictions on abortion, particularly "late term" abortions? Why can't you explain yourself better on this?
I did read the Washington Examiner link, and as I stated before. The legislation states they are asking for no restrictions up to viability...20-22 weeks. There are restrictions on late term, and that would be if the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient's life or health. Its virtually the same thing they just passed in OH.
So, you're either lying or unable to understand the legislation if you are saying every Dem supports abortion until 2 minutes before birth.
98.9% of abortions occur before the 20th week...approximately the timeframe for viability. Therefore, you're arguing about something that happens 1.1% of the time, and you don't even understand under what circumstances that can happen.
Idaho and Texas have vague laws which have resulted in slow medical care endangering women's lives.
Idaho woman shares 19-day miscarriage on TikTok, says state's abortion laws prevented her from getting care
Texas woman almost dies because she couldn’t get an abortion
It's clear that you're ashamed of your source and your post since you won't provide your troll source or clarify your post with the missing info.
Now wait a minute here. Are we arguing the same thing? The legislation I linked ITT (three stories in fact) clearly stated Democrats want ALL RESTRCTIONS on abortion removed! No limits, no conditions, no constraints. How could you and I both read the same articles and come away with two entirely different understandings on what it clearly says the Democrat legislation is for? Did you read it?
If I'm wrong, then please tell me why are there all of these challenges to existing restrictions on abortion in the various States where they have already been passed since the SUPCO overturned Roe v Wade? Georgia's "heartbeat" law was challenged on Constitutional grounds and found to be Constitutional by our State Supreme Court. Other challenges to the restriction after a baby's heartbeat is detected were filed prior to the GA State Supreme Court ruling stating clearly that the presence of a heartbeat means Life that deserves protection from Death!
In Ohio the Pro Death crowd saw what happened to the Georgia challenge, so they wrote their challenge to Ohio's restrictions to make abortion itself (without specifying any limits) unconstitutional. Ohio voters decided to OK abortion, regardless of existing restrictions. That means the Ohio Law banning abortions after 6 weeks can be challenged on Constitutional grounds and it will likely be thrown out because of that.
Now how can you be reading that Democrats and the Left favor abortion restrictions, when they are promoting challenges all over the country to remove them? Why are you and I talking past each other on this?
What restrictions do YOU favor on abortions? Do you support or oppose late term abortions? Do Democrats sponsor legislation limiting late term abortions or even specifying at what point during gestation they should be restricted? If I'm wrong that they do not, please link me to the most recent Democrat legislation you're familiar with that specifies when Democrats agree abortions should be banned or at least restricted?
I'll be waiting for your response.
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It's your troll thread, keep trolling. I don't care enough just wanted to call out your troll post. This issue is a disaster for Repubs and will (continue to) cost them dearly at the polls. good times
I agree with you most folks oppose late term abortions...particularly just moments before the baby is born. What I'm asking you for is the legislation Democrats sponsor opposing that? It's not complicated, just link me to the Democrat sponsors of bills limiting late term abortions, and particularly those just moments before a baby is born.
You said no one favors that correct? OK, where's the legislation limiting that? Show me where voters are being asked by Democrats to approve that? Seems to me in States that try to pass limits on when a baby can be killed, some Democrat Leftists immediately run off to some Court to try and get it tossed out!
Where am I wrong about that? What am I missing? Correct my error please?
I can't answer why you don't fully understand the article you posted.
It clearly states it bans restrictions on 1) abortion BEFORE FETAL VIABILITY (generally defined as 20-24 weeks) and 2) abortions after fetal viability ONLY if a physician determines the pregnancy poses a risk to the pregnant patients LIFE OR HEALTH.
This is the article you posted: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-support-abortion-up-until-the-point-of-birth. From a right wing MSM outlet nonetheless. Here is a quote:
"...the Women's Health Care Protection Act, which would ban states from imposing any rule or regulation that would be "reasonably likely" to "delay ... some patients" from obtaining an "abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure” and even any restriction “on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.”
If you just read where it says 47 Dems votes for late term abortion, then I understand why you don't get it. It involves nuance and reading comprehensive. It only involves very specific circumstances...one of which is someone doesn't feel like being pregnant any more, which is they way you would probably describe it.
Your argument that 47 Dems want abortion to be legal until 2 minutes before birth is either a lie to further your agenda or you don't understand the legislation.
Unfortunately that is correct. Communist and Socialist control the education system. So they will keep taking advantage of the situation.
But hey. You got to vote for no restrictions on abortion.
Yesterday, the US government tried to borrow $24 billion by selling a bunch of 30 year debt. It was a huge disaster. In order to get enough people to buy, the rate had to dramatically increase. Even then, then primary dealers had to buy 25% of the debt. The primary dealer are the buyers of last resort who have to buy.China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Russia ... none of them are buying our debt. In fact, most are selling what they already have.With few buying, the US government is borrowing more than ever. $1.5 trillion in the past 4 months and they announced another $1.5 trillion in the next 6 months. The US government will have to offer higher and higher rates to attracted lenders.
Yesterday, the US government tried to borrow $24 billion by selling a bunch of 30 year debt. It was a huge disaster. In order to get enough people to buy, the rate had to dramatically increase. Even then, then primary dealers had to buy 25% of the debt. The primary dealer are the buyers of last resort who have to buy.China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Russia ... none of them are buying our debt. In fact, most are selling what they already have.With few buying, the US government is borrowing more than ever. $1.5 trillion in the past 4 months and they announced another $1.5 trillion in the next 6 months. The US government will have to offer higher and higher rates to attracted lenders.
You're excusing the main "out" in the Legislation!
Quote: "even any restriction “on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.”
I understand why you want to exclude that little "clause" because it essentially invalidates the entire rest of the proposed so called "restriction" as long as some Physician determines the Life or Health of the Mother is "threatened" by continuing the pregnancy. Why have the restriction on "viability" if it can so easily be tossed out simply because the "life or health of the Mother" is threatened? That's legalese for infanticide my friend.
Fact:
Less than 1% of abortions threaten the Life of the Mother, and it is almost never medically necessary to kill an unborn baby in order to save the Mother's Life. There are already exceptions in most State Laws limiting late term abortions because of that, as well as for rape and incest yet Democrats still challenge the restrictions!
If you can't link me to what I've asked you for (Democrat legislation pointing out when abortion should be limited) then at least admit this particular bill doesn't do that?
Less than 1% of all abortions are performed to save the life of the mother.
excerpt:
While he was United States Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated publicly that in his thirty-eight years as a pediatric surgeon, he was never aware of a single situation in which a freeborn child’s life had to be taken in order to save the life of the mother. He said the use of this argument to justify abortion in general was a “smoke screen.”
@NYC_Eer
I think throughout this discussion (since you joined the thread) I've been quite clear asking you to define:
A) Your particular position on late term abortions
B) show me any Democrat legislation you can point to that specifically limits or restricts them
You and I have been going back and fourth on this yet like most Leftists, you refuse to answer direct questions about it! Democrats insist they do not favor late term abortions, you yourself have said abortion after 21 weeks is "too late" yet you can't answer when that line should be drawn or what you'd support as a reasonable limit?
For the record here's a list of the direct questions I've asked you on this ITT, and it's apparent to anyone reading it you've refused to give me a direct answer.
You claimed:
so I asked you:
You and the Democrat party refuse to answer these questions yet you all oppose every and any limits proposed or passed by individual States specifying abortion restrictions. Then you turn around and accuse Republicans of being "extreme" on the issue, while refusing to even condemn late term or partial birth abortions, or just specifying when they should be banned!
I know I'm not ever going to get an answer from you...no Democrat will ever say when abortion should be limited because in your heart of hearts, all of you soulless Spirits on the Left are Evil and actually don't appreciate the sanctity of Human Life. I'm not sure why none of you do, but I suspect it's because you all don't appreciate the author of human Life itself. I won't talk with you anymore about this...my head hurts.
I think throughout this discussion (since you joined the thread) I've been quite clear asking you to define:
A) Your particular position on late term abortions
B) show me any Democrat legislation you can point to that specifically limits or restricts them
You and I have been going back and fourth on this yet like most Leftists, you refuse to answer direct questions about it! Democrats insist they do not favor late term abortions, you yourself have said abortion after 21 weeks is "too late" yet you can't answer when that line should be drawn or what you'd support as a reasonable limit?
For the record here's a list of the direct questions I've asked you on this ITT, and it's apparent to anyone reading it you've refused to give me a direct answer.
You claimed:
so I asked you:
and I said:
So again I asked:
Then I asked:
Next I asked:
I also asked:
Again, I asked you
going back to your original assertion, I wanted to know:
I asked you to prove Democrats oppose late term abortion with their legislation:
You and the Democrat party refuse to answer these questions yet you all oppose every and any limits proposed or passed by individual States specifying abortion restrictions. Then you turn around and accuse Republicans of being "extreme" on the issue, while refusing to even condemn late term or partial birth abortions, or just specifying when they should be banned!
I know I'm not ever going to get an answer from you...no Democrat will ever say when abortion should be limited because in your heart of hearts, all of you soulless Spirits on the Left are Evil and actually don't appreciate the sanctity of Human Life. I'm not sure why none of you do, but I suspect it's because you all don't appreciate the author of human Life itself. I won't talk with you anymore about this...my head hurts.
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I pointed it out. So, that's a lie. And I agree its almost never medically necessary, which is why it happens less than 1.1% of the time, which I also pointed out. Therefore, its simply a MAGA talking point and nothing else. If you want to spend your time arguing about something that happens 1% of the time go for it.
1) I'm fine with late term abortions if it negatively affects the Mom's health. If not, them I don't agree w/ it AND what I've pointed out clearly several times is that the Dem legislation does not allow for late term abortion otherwise.@NYC_Eer
I think throughout this discussion (since you joined the thread) I've been quite clear asking you to define:
A) Your particular position on late term abortions
B) show me any Democrat legislation you can point to that specifically limits or restricts them
You and I have been going back and fourth on this yet like most Leftists, you refuse to answer direct questions about it! Democrats insist they do not favor late term abortions, you yourself have said abortion after 21 weeks is "too late" yet you can't answer when that line should be drawn or what you'd support as a reasonable limit?
For the record here's a list of the direct questions I've asked you on this ITT, and it's apparent to anyone reading it you've refused to give me a direct answer.
You claimed:
so I asked you:
and I said:
So again I asked:
Then I asked:
Next I asked:
I also asked:
Again, I asked you
going back to your original assertion, I wanted to know:
I asked you to prove Democrats oppose late term abortion with their legislation:
You and the Democrat party refuse to answer these questions yet you all oppose every and any limits proposed or passed by individual States specifying abortion restrictions. Then you turn around and accuse Republicans of being "extreme" on the issue, while refusing to even condemn late term or partial birth abortions, or just specifying when they should be banned!
I know I'm not ever going to get an answer from you...no Democrat will ever say when abortion should be limited because in your heart of hearts, all of you soulless Spirits on the Left are Evil and actually don't appreciate the sanctity of Human Life. I'm not sure why none of you do, but I suspect it's because you all don't appreciate the author of human Life itself. I won't talk with you anymore about this...my head hurts.
2) I used the legislation you pointed to, but conveniently don't understand or are acting like you don't.
Thank you for your honesty. It must be very frustrating for you given your stated positions on this issue deciding who to support that amplifies your preferences? Republicans who want to limit abortions (no matter what restrictions they legislate) are called "extremists" and kooks by the Left.
On the other hand, most folks like you on the Left agree that the worst abortions...late term abortions...should at least be restricted or even banned however no one in the Democrat party is "extremist" enough to offer legislation to ban them? (at least you didn't provide one for me to examine)
At any rate, I promise this is my last correspondence with you on this. Too bad the very children we all claim to Love & care so much for don't feel the same passion they all need to live and survive from adults who are so in love with intent to kill them simply if they're unwanted.
Sad.
Poor kid...no one Loves you before you're born.
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At least you we can still debate if an abortion after a heartbeat is detected should be legal.
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Ok, then stop the slaughtering at 20 weeks .... except mothers life ...
Oh but the Democrat in you say it's fine to kill babies in the name anatomy but you must sport a mask and get a jab that does nothing....in the name of saving one life . Lmao ....
Not everyone...some old school Democrats don't but won't in any way support limits because the dnc will stop funding them . Sadly the Republicans are in the same situation. Hopefully Manchin runs as a moderate 3rd party and makes the two headed snake **** itself.... I won't vote for him as senator but as a moderate president I may ...for no other reason than to give the snake a big ol **** you
No. Once again he isn't even liked by the majority of West Virginians anymore. The only thing he accomplishes by running is taking votes from Trump with moderate Democrats that are not voting for the insanity the New Democrat Party has become.
From the 45 goals of Communism.
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
The Democrat Party was captured a long time ago. Now they are working on the RINOS and Globalist.
Do we get a stronger strain of Covid 19 if we don't support the CCP Belt to road Intiative?
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By Kevin Liptak, CNNLmao ....like a moderate, middle road candidate wouldn't take votes from Biden or any leftists the democrats put out . Knowledgeable Moderates who voted (actually) for Biden didn't vote for him because they thought he was honest or believed him , they voted for him because he wasn't Trump. Guess I shouldn't have called the Knowledgeable because voting for Biden means they believed the Russian collusion story and masks work ....
My argument stands a 3rd party moderate takes a equal vote count from both parties and we as a country needs it . Yes if he runs it will be the second time I've ever donated to a politician.... Ben Carson was my first ...
Easy Tonto....
Seems the marines ( thank you for your service) training has taught you not to remember the debate. Yall some bad *** people and thank God for ya ....but we have chatted back and forth a lot and if you can't remember I'm a Trump supporter who has voted twice for him than all those push ups has busted a blood vessel up in that Melon.... again thank you for your service.
You said above you would support Manchin. I wouldn't. I don't hate the guy but I don't think he should waste his time. WV loves Trump. Manchin can't even get elected again in WV.
The Left fears and hates anyone or anything they can't control. That's why they hate & fear America, wealthy people, Trump, Conservative Blacks, union free workplaces, big oil, the military, white males, unborn babies, Christians, & NASCAR.
If they don't/can't control it, they hate then fear it and seek to destroy it.
Fact.
If they don't/can't control it, they hate then fear it and seek to destroy it.
Fact.
MSM Floating a Romney/Manchin ticket crying about how nobody wants a Trump vs Biden contest. FFS sake Trump leads the Republican nomination by 40+ points. You never Trumpers are pathetic. Get it through your heads. It's you nobody wants. You are the minority.
If you’re talking about 20 weeks then over 60% of the US agree, and that means it’s more than just Dems
Muat b
I’m sure in part because he’s already paid for a few of his own.
Must be frustrating for you to support Trump who also supports abortion without exceptions for cases of rape, incest or risks to the mother’s life.Thank you for your honesty. It must be very frustrating for you given your stated positions on this issue deciding who to support that amplifies your preferences? Republicans who want to limit abortions (no matter what restrictions they legislate) are called "extremists" and kooks by the Left.
On the other hand, most folks like you on the Left agree that the worst abortions...late term abortions...should at least be restricted or even banned however no one in the Democrat party is "extremist" enough to offer legislation to ban them? (at least you didn't provide one for me to examine)
At any rate, I promise this is my last correspondence with you on this. Too bad the very children we all claim to Love & care so much for don't feel the same passion they all need to live and survive from adults who are so in love with intent to kill them simply if they're unwanted.
Sad.
Poor kid...no one Loves you before you're born.
I’m sure in part because he’s already paid for a few of his own.
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You don't know if he has or hasn't. However I'm starting to think you might of got poked in the head a few times with a coat hanger.
Here's the MSM trying to acuse him of being to strict on it and trying to debunk something that has plenty of evidence out that says otherwise.
Former President Donald Trump said in an interview posted Thursday that “Democrats were killing babies after birth, killing babies in the ninth month” after his GOP opponents peddled similar falsehoods in the third debate.
Well if Huffington Post says it's not true then obviously they wouldn't lie.
He is right. Go too far and you will lose alot of elections. He has done more for the Pro Life movement than any previous President.
Former President Donald Trump on Friday told two powerful social conservative groups that Republicans need to do a better job talking about the issue of abortion.
Former President Donald Trump on Friday told two powerful social conservative groups that Republicans need to do a better job talking about the issue of abortion.
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Nobody is pushing abortion bans with no exceptions. The only people saying Republicans want to do that are Democrats.