Sen. Dianne Feinstein unilaterally releases Fusion GPS testimony on Russian-Trump dossier

TarHeelEer

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I love that twitter now

why does anyone accept an interview from anyone in LE ever?

Voluntarily? No idea.

I had a friend that was accused of breaking into a business he was high ranking in before it was sold, and stealing a bunch of stuff. No video, no nothing, except that the new owner says he did it because he was fired that morning. There is evidence he didn't do it. He correctly did not agree to meeting with detective. He's currently charged, but he's going to be found not guilty. LE will twist and turn every word, so don't ever meet voluntarily.
 

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Explain any other reason.
To refute the lies and conspiracy nonsense THE and other weak minded Trump fans are buying that was being leaked. I don't think it shows this Simpson in a glowing light, but it served its purpose.
 

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To refute the lies and conspiracy nonsense THE and other weak minded Trump fans are buying that was being leaked. I don't think it shows this Simpson in a glowing light, but it served its purpose.
It made his NYT oped look like a big fluffy lie? Was that its purpose? I dont see how anything released changes what anyone thought of him or Fusion GPS.
 

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To refute the lies and conspiracy nonsense THE and other weak minded Trump fans are buying that was being leaked. I don't think it shows this Simpson in a glowing light, but it served its purpose.
How and what conspiracy nonsense did it debunk?
 

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Yeah. He denied it so that cleared it up.
? He didn't just deny it. He explained what happened. Under oath.

Look, I'm not saying this proves the Trump campaign colluded with Russia or anything like that. Just knocking down these dumb theories THE and his fictional Twitter accounts keep posting about Fusion GPS, Steele, etc.
 

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The dossier did prompt the investigation. Papadopolous was the "walk-in" source. Please keep up.
lol

 

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He explained what the FbI used to get a Fisa warrant?
It's like talking to a drunk ATL. At what point did I say anything about a FISA warrant? Simpson explained that Steele went to the FBI on his own and the FBI already had similar intel from inside the campaign
 

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Investigation started in July of 2016. Steele shared a partial dossier to FBI in September 2016.

Oh I don't doubt that, but the fake dossier was used for FISA warrant, if there was one. That's still not settled. If there wasn't even a FISA warrant, this gets real interesting.
 

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It's like talking to a drunk ATL. At what point did I say anything about a FISA warrant? Simpson explained that Steele went to the FBI on his own and the FBI already had similar intel from inside the campaign
Probably a good idea to keep your head in the sand.
 

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NBC is tin foil material for you? It was earlier ITT even. You're becoming an even bigger joke. lol
Come on. Good crackpot theories should be able to hold up to at least minimal inspection. Your nonsense about the dossier prompting the investigation is incredibly stupid. Unless.....You don't think....Did Fusion GPS borrow the Clinton's time machine??
 

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Come on. Good crackpot theories should be able to hold up to at least minimal inspection. Your nonsense about the dossier prompting the investigation is incredibly stupid. Unless.....You don't think....Does Fusion GPS borrow the Clinton's time machine??

I don't care what prompted the investigation, whether it was drunk talk among peons or whatever else they make up. If the warrants to were obtained by using the National Enquirer dossier, or, there isn't a warrant at all, then there are problems.
 

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I don't care what prompted the investigation, whether it was drunk talk among peons or whatever else they make up. If the warrants to were obtained by using the National Enquirer dossier, or, there isn't a warrant at all, then there are problems.
Right...so weeks and weeks and cartoon character Twitter posts after cartoon character Twitter posts later the goalposts suddenly move....after the first BS theory is blown up. Time to go back to ridiculing the dossier again! Talk about FISA!!! lol. Sad!
 

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Right...so weeks and weeks and cartoon character Twitter posts after cartoon character Twitter posts later the goalposts suddenly move....after the first BS theory is blown up. Time to go back to ridiculing the dossier again! Talk about FISA!!! lol. Sad!

I haven't changed my story at all, so if you're going to speak for me, use the right words. dossier -> warrant is the issue
 

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There you go. Keep it in terms uou can comprehend.
You don't even try to debate these things. You're just a sad little playground troll, with horrible grammar/typing skills. Try and do a little reading and thinking for yourself.

Admitting that Fusion GPS isn't the big bad meanie liar doesn't mean the Trump campaign colluded.
 
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Right...so weeks and weeks and cartoon character Twitter posts after cartoon character Twitter posts later the goalposts suddenly move....after the first BS theory is blown up. Time to go back to ridiculing the dossier again! Talk about FISA!!! lol. Sad!
You are the one moving the goalposts.
 

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I haven't changed my story at all, so if you're going to speak for me, use the right words. dossier -> warrant is the issue
Let me try and use the right words.

The dossier did prompt the investigation.

That was from 20 minutes ago. 9:38am EDT on 1/10/18. Here I'll link it for ya.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....sian-trump-dossier.165388/page-3#post-1836049

You are bad at this. Go back to posting propaganda Twiitters
 

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Let me try and use the right words.



That was from 20 minutes ago. 9:38am EDT on 1/10/18. Here I'll link it for ya.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....sian-trump-dossier.165388/page-3#post-1836049

You are bad at this. Go back to posting propaganda Twiitters

I misspoke about what started it, because I truly don't care. Simpson did correct himself on the "walk-in" informant, which was nothing more than the Aussie informing on Papadopolous. There wasn't a source inside the campaign like he made it sound.
 

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lmfao, do Trump supporters spines twist differently than most folks? Cause they go to some contortions to excuse their party and President.
 

dave

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lmfao, do Trump supporters spines twist differently than most folks? Cause they go to some contortions to excuse their party and President.
Just keep ignoring the news and nothing will happen. Enjoy the next 7 years.
 

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Investigation started in July of 2016. Steele shared a partial dossier to FBI in September 2016.
I think you have your FISA dates wrong bubba.

They tried unsuccessfully for a FISA in August (assuming this was with the campaign intel).

In October, they were granted one. (Assuming this is the FBI in conjunction with the Dossier intel).
 

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In October, they were granted one.

That's an assumption at this point, based on intel the FBI/DOJ has leaked. The existence of an approved FISA warrant has not been proven. The unmasking was completed, but we don't know if it was done with a warrant or not.
 

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The dossier prompted the FBI investigation. Fusion set up Don Jrs collusion meeting. Etc
It was never stated the Dossier promtped the investigation. It was stated the Dossier prompted the FISA. Two very distinct issues.

We’ve known for a year the investigation started in July. We knew the FISA application was turned down in August. We knew the Dossier was delivered in Sept. We know the FISA application was granted in Oct.

Trying to understand how that discredits the Dossier being a catalyst for the Dossier. Help a brother out.

As for the meeting with the lawyer, he met with her directly before and directly after the meeting but claims it wasn’t connected. That’s a hell of a coincidence. I don’t believe him as he originally denied meeting with her in an article dating back to June I think. His story has changed multiple times.
 

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It was never stated the Dossier promtped the investigation. It was stated the Dossier prompted the FISA. Two very distinct issues.

We’ve known for a year the investigation started in July. We knew the FISA application was turned down in August. We knew the Dossier was delivered in Sept. We know the FISA application was granted in Oct.

Trying to understand how that discredits the Dossier being a catalyst for the Dossier. Help a brother out.

As for the meeting with the lawyer, he met with her directly before and directly after the meeting but claims it wasn’t connected. That’s a hell of a coincidence. I don’t believe him as he originally denied meeting with her in an article dating back to June I think. His story has changed multiple times.
Again, THE and others (even in this thread) have claimed the investigation started because of the dossier. You know what would make all this "mystery" about the FISA warrant go away? Declassify it.

Coincidences between the Trump campaign and Russia are fake news, but the one about Fusion setting up JRs collusion meeting is legitimate? Trump's dealings with shady Russian mobsters and oligarchs is just Trump working worldwide, but Fusion having Russian business is suspect? Got it.
 

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Again, THE and others (even in this thread) have claimed the investigation started because of the dossier.

There is no legal ramification as to why the investigation started. AGAIN, I don't care how it started, the FBI starts things for many different reasons. What matters is whether they obtained potential evidence legally or not, and so far, that is up in the air.
 

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Again, THE and others (even in this thread) have claimed the investigation started because of the dossier. You know what would make all this "mystery" about the FISA warrant go away? Declassify it.

Coincidences between the Trump campaign and Russia are fake news, but the one about Fusion setting up JRs collusion meeting is legitimate? Trump's dealings with shady Russian mobsters and oligarchs is just Trump working worldwide, but Fusion having Russian business is suspect? Got it.
Sure, you can take things out of context and conflate timelines and relationships in order to invalidate my point and strengthen your own. Comparing bookend meetings day of with business dealings from a decade ago, that’s absolutely comparable. :rolleyes:

I agree, declassify it. I’d have no issue with them doing that. That’d be great.

As for what THE and others said, that doesn’t impact what I said or the timelines I just gave you which combat your point of this transparency killing the Dossier/FISA “conspiracy”. In actualality, it only strengthens what we’ve known for over a year. 1. It appears the Dossier was the catalyst for the FISA application. 2. We’ve had an investigation going for 18 months and to date, no one has brought to light the collusion narrative that was spun by the left.

Now, let’s talk conspiracy, I acknowledge this is it. My hunch is this:

The PapaD stuff wasn’t enough to grant a FISA application. The FBI took unverified, raw intel of the Dossier and used that in conjunction with the PapaD stuff.

The conspiracy though is that there was some shady **** between these different actors within the headshed of the FBI to coordinate details within the Dossier (Ohr and his wife, Strozk, and potentially others) to provide enough justification to corroborate PapaD’s stuff in order to push through a FISA which would give intel to Obama and Hillary to A. Assist her in getting elected, and B. Allow Obama to understand the plans the Trump Transition team were coming up with thereby allowing him to strategically do things which would slow Trump’s momentum, and protect his policies/interests.

There also exists actual historical evidence of organizations and agencies within Obama’s admin that had been exposed by whisteblowers for Govt’t overreach and political weaponization. We know about the bulk data collection. We know about the IRS. We know about intel community going after the AP reporters, Fox Reporters, etc. Is it really that big of stretch to think they wouldn’t do this under the assumption that she would win and they wouldn’t have to deal with the exposure?

Granted, this is a conspiracy discussion, but from where I sit, it lines up. They created enough surface cover for actual intent, but I think the wild card is that no one actually expected him to win.

Feel free to lol it and move on. Or, go back and look at my track record on a lot of this discussion over the last year.
 

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Sure, you can take things out of context and conflate timelines and relationships in order to invalidate my point and strengthen your own. Comparing bookend meetings day of with business dealings from a decade ago, that’s absolutely comparable. :rolleyes:

I agree, declassify it. I’d have no issue with them doing that. That’d be great.

As for what THE and others said, that doesn’t impact what I said or the timelines I just gave you which combat your point of this transparency killing the Dossier/FISA “conspiracy”. In actualality, it only strengthens what we’ve known for over a year. 1. It appears the Dossier was the catalyst for the FISA application. 2. We’ve had an investigation going for 18 months and to date, no one has brought to light the collusion narrative that was spun by the left.

Now, let’s talk conspiracy, I acknowledge this is it. My hunch is this:

The PapaD stuff wasn’t enough to grant a FISA application. The FBI took unverified, raw intel of the Dossier and used that in conjunction with the PapaD stuff.

The conspiracy though is that there was some shady **** between these different actors within the headshed of the FBI to coordinate details within the Dossier (Ohr and his wife, Strozk, and potentially others) to provide enough justification to corroborate PapaD’s stuff in order to push through a FISA which would give intel to Obama and Hillary to A. Assist her in getting elected, and B. Allow Obama to understand the plans the Trump Transition team were coming up with thereby allowing him to strategically do things which would slow Trump’s momentum, and protect his policies/interests.

There also exists actual historical evidence of organizations and agencies within Obama’s admin that had been exposed by whisteblowers for Govt’t overreach and political weaponization. We know about the bulk data collection. We know about the IRS. We know about intel community going after the AP reporters, Fox Reporters, etc. Is it really that big of stretch to think they wouldn’t do this under the assumption that she would win and they wouldn’t have to deal with the exposure?

Granted, this is a conspiracy discussion, but from where I sit, it lines up. They created enough surface cover for actual intent, but I think the wild card is that no one actually expected him to win.

Feel free to lol it and move on. Or, go back and look at my track record on a lot of this discussion over the last year.

It's not entirely conspiracy, these are facts:
  • We know Page and Strokz and their text messages, and their leaking
  • We know Comey lied to congress and leaked classified material
  • We know the original Clinton email drafts contained the verbiage "grossly negligent" (a legal term), but FBI brass changed it to "extremely careless" (not a legal term)
  • We know Obama decided Hillary's fate in March 2017
  • We know Comey reaffirmed Obama's decision in June 2017
  • We know that decision became public in July 2017
  • We know Nellie Ohr went to work for Fusion GPS to work on the dossier
  • We know A crap-ton of items were unmasked by the Obama administration, particularly DOJ staff and Susan Rice
  • We know a FISA warrant was denied in July 2017. We know another was applied for in September 2017
  • We know Clapper has denied knowing about any accepted FISA warrant for Trump nor associates, twice, 6 months apart
  • We know nothing has been corroborated except that Page went to Russia, whereabouts during trip unknown
  • We know Admiral Rogers went to Trump Tower without telling his boss, and Trump moved their operation out of Trump Tower the next day
  • We know intel derived from the FBI was leaked to Slate and Hillary. Slate published and article and Hillary a statement on the exact same date/time.
  • We now know Steele was given information from the FBI as to what they were investigating
  • We know McCabe had personal issues with Flynn that should've been enough for him to recuse himself from the investigation
  • We know Mueller has so many interdependencies with FBI staff that he should not have been considered for IC, and should recuse himself on most
  • We know Nunes saw something in a SCIF that impacted him enough to go to the president about it
And more, but that's off the top of my head. Given those facts, there's not much left to fill in.