I'm typically not a "I told you so" kinda guy

Airport

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but I told this board that the Tax law would be challenged in court. Here is the first challenge I have seen and there will be more. Will be interesting how it all turns out but I'm guessing it will go to the supreme court.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/cuomo-plans-sue-u-government-202047608.html
It's tough when the federal govt has been allowing states with high state taxes to deduct all of them and not paying taxes like other state's residents. My guess is that now the states of NY, NJ<Calf and Ill, will be under pressure to decrease their state taxes to come more in line with taxes in other states.
 

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Didn't the SC already decide that congress has the right to tax? The ACA was a tax, correct?
You simply don't understand the grounds of the unconstitutional aspect of what is being claimed in this lawsuit and others that will come. It isn't what you stated.
 

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You simply don't understand the grounds of the unconstitutional aspect of what is being claimed in this lawsuit and others that will come. It isn't what you stated.[/QUOTE

Doesn't discriminate, it only allows so much of all states taxes to be deducted. The states with high tax rates discriminate then against wealthy people by making them pay more. I doubt if it will hold up. Those states will feel real pressure to decrease their states tax rates
 

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You simply don't understand the grounds of the unconstitutional aspect of what is being claimed in this lawsuit and others that will come. It isn't what you stated.
Yeah, I do.
 

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You simply don't understand the grounds of the unconstitutional aspect of what is being claimed in this lawsuit and others that will come. It isn't what you stated.
And this is going to stop what? The tax rates will be set and everybody will follow suit. NY will feel pressure to change it's tax laws. Even more people will leave and move that can.
 

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http://thehill.com/policy/finance/367290-cuomo-ny-to-sue-over-trump-tax-law

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Wednesday that his state would sue over the new tax law, which he has said could harm his state through its limit on the state and local tax deduction.

“We believe it is illegal, and we will challenge it in court as unconstitutional,” Cuomo said during his State of the State address. He called the law "the first federal double taxation in history, violative of states' rights and the principle of equal protection."

The new tax law caps the state and local tax (SALT) deduction at $10,000, which has been a particular concern for elected officials in New York and other high-tax states.

"Washington's tax plan now uses New York and California as piggy banks to finance tax cuts for Republican states," Cuomo said. He added that the law could cause people to leave New York and could make it harder to attract new businesses to the state.

The lawsuit is part of a three-pronged approach for addressing the tax law that Cuomo outlined in his speech.

Cuomo said that New York would also launch a lobbying campaign to repeal and replace the law.

And he said that for the third prong, the state government is "developing a plan to restructure" the state's tax code. This restructuring could reduce New York's reliance on an income tax and shift toward a payroll tax system. It could also include the creation of new charitable organizations for which contributions would be deductible.

"It is complicated, it is difficult, but it is clear that we must protect New York taxpayers from this [federal] assault," Cuomo said.

Cuomo also touted cuts to state income taxes for middle-class taxpayers that the state legislature has passed in recent years. And he called the high property taxes in New York "an economic cancer" and said that local governments should increase their efforts to reduce costs.

---add this to the stack of lawsuits against Trump by Cuomo...---
 
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/11/17/cuomo-accused-of-lying/

NY Republicans Accuse Cuomo Of Lying About Tax Reform Vote

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – New York Republicans are questioning Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s honesty, accusing him of “outright lying” while criticizing the GOP tax plan.

After the House narrowly approved the Republican tax bill, Cuomo was quick to criticize the four upstate New York Republicans who voted ‘yes.’

“I talked to all of them, and they all had the same line, which was you know, ‘my political leaders are forcing me to vote for it,’” the governor said.


As CBS2’s Tony Aiello reports, those Republicans say ‘no way.’

“This is false. Cuomo did not call,” Rep. Claudia Tenney posted on Twitter.

“The governor is lying, he never called or spoke to me,” Rep. Chris Collins tweeted.

“Clearly the first thing that comes to mind is pathological liar, someone who’s not living in reality,” Collins told CBS2.

Rep. Tom Reed said he spoke with Cuomo in October, but there was no discussion of political pressure.

“I knew Gov. Cuomo was a bully, but I didn’t know he was an outright liar,” Reed tweeted.

The GOP chair said Cuomo is demonizing Republicans instead of finding common ground.

“He should be working with the entire delegation, including Republicans, and not just lie about conversations that he had with some of them,” New York State Republican Chairman Ed Cox said.

A spokesperson for the governor said the Republicans “can try to deflect from this irresponsible vote, but it’s the governor who stood up for New York taxpayers and always will.”

Aiello asked some taxpayers what they think.

“You don’t want your governor lying to the people of New York, that’s for sure,” Russ Ringelstein said.

“It leaves me, as a citizen, in the lurch, because there’s just too much misinformation around,” said Roz Goldfarb.

“I like the governor, I think he’s an honest person, I wouldn’t think he’d have any reason to lie,” another man added.

There is reason to believe, however, Republicans will revisit this controversy next year when the governor’s up for re-election.

Cuomo says the tax bill will hurt New York by reducing deductibility for state and local taxes, particularly in the city and suburbs.

The upstate Republicans say amendments to the bill will minimize impact in their districts.

 

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You simply don't understand the grounds of the unconstitutional aspect of what is being claimed in this lawsuit and others that will come. It isn't what you stated.

Did the tax change specifically name NY?
 

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http://thehill.com/policy/finance/367290-cuomo-ny-to-sue-over-trump-tax-law

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Wednesday that his state would sue over the new tax law, which he has said could harm his state through its limit on the state and local tax deduction.

“We believe it is illegal, and we will challenge it in court as unconstitutional,” Cuomo said during his State of the State address. He called the law "the first federal double taxation in history, violative of states' rights and the principle of equal protection."

The new tax law caps the state and local tax (SALT) deduction at $10,000, which has been a particular concern for elected officials in New York and other high-tax states.

"Washington's tax plan now uses New York and California as piggy banks to finance tax cuts for Republican states," Cuomo said. He added that the law could cause people to leave New York and could make it harder to attract new businesses to the state.

The lawsuit is part of a three-pronged approach for addressing the tax law that Cuomo outlined in his speech.

Cuomo said that New York would also launch a lobbying campaign to repeal and replace the law.

And he said that for the third prong, the state government is "developing a plan to restructure" the state's tax code. This restructuring could reduce New York's reliance on an income tax and shift toward a payroll tax system. It could also include the creation of new charitable organizations for which contributions would be deductible.

"It is complicated, it is difficult, but it is clear that we must protect New York taxpayers from this [federal] assault," Cuomo said.

Cuomo also touted cuts to state income taxes for middle-class taxpayers that the state legislature has passed in recent years. And he called the high property taxes in New York "an economic cancer" and said that local governments should increase their efforts to reduce costs.

---add this to the stack of lawsuits against Trump by Cuomo...---
Now that is comedy. Taxes are a federal assault.
 

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How can it be deemed unconstitutional, specifically?
It is basic civics taught in middle school. In laymans terms, the government can not pass a law that is intentionally damaging towards specific groups in favor of other groups. There are fairness qualifications each bill must pass. It was reported those procedures were ignored during the crafting of the bill. I'm not a constitutional expert and won't pass judgment. I rather find it interesting and will let the process take place as unlike many, I still believe in our democracy and country to get things right.
 

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every time I see this online....

just cracks my **** up.....

 
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It is basic civics taught in middle school. In laymans terms, the government can not pass a law that is intentionally damaging towards specific groups in favor of other groups. There are fairness qualifications each bill must pass. It was reported those procedures were ignored during the crafting of the bill. I'm not a constitutional expert and won't pass judgment. I rather find it interesting and will let the process take place as unlike many, I still believe in our democracy and country to get things right.

dave is a legal expert. You should know that. He swears a defendant doesn't have the right to be present at a grand jury.

One of my favorites was when he swore that a defendant had the right to be present and testify before a grand jury. Hahahaha


LMAO!
 

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It is basic civics taught in middle school. In laymans terms, the government can not pass a law that is intentionally damaging towards specific groups in favor of other groups. There are fairness qualifications each bill must pass. It was reported those procedures were ignored during the crafting of the bill. I'm not a constitutional expert and won't pass judgment. I rather find it interesting and will let the process take place as unlike many, I still believe in our democracy and country to get things right.
So demanding a higher tax rate from one person so others dont have to pay taxes is unconstitutional?
 

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dave is a legal expert. You should know that. He swears a defendant doesn't have the right to be present at a grand jury.




LMAO!
A defendant doesnt have a right to be present at a grand jury. It can happen but only at the discretion of the prosecutor. In a few states the defendant can testify at a grand jury if they have already appeared in court regarding the matter before the grand jury but they do so without a lawyer, they cannot question witnesses and they cannot question evidence presented by prosecutors. In most states that use grand juries the prosecutr is not obligated to inform the defendant that the case is going to a grand jury. I honestly dont think you understand the concept of a grand jury and what its purpose is in our legal system.
 
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So demanding a higher tax rate from one person so others dont have to pay taxes is unconstitutional?
Let’s be honest, he knows as does everyone else, this is just another “resistance” move. At best, the SALT cap will be increased so the affected states are under it. It’s not going to delay implementation and regardless, people actually want to keep more of what they earn so this will backfire politically.
 

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Let’s be honest, he knows as does everyone else, this is just another “resistance” move. At best, the SALT cap will be increased so the affected states are under it. It’s not going to delay implementation and regardless, people actually want to keep more of what they earn so this will backfire politically.
Even Cuomo admitted that state and local taxes were too high. It is just grandstanding.
 

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So demanding a higher tax rate from one person so others dont have to pay taxes is unconstitutional?
lmao. It is amusing how even simple concepts can just fly over your heads in order to never admit that there are some problems with the beloved right wing. This is one of those times.

I figured it was a waste of time to try and explain. I'll just sit back and let it unfold and watch the bitching as those that don't want to see, be blind to legitimate disputes.
 

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lmao. It is amusing how even simple concepts can just fly over your heads in order to never admit that there are some problems with the beloved right wing. This is one of those times.

I figured it was a waste of time to try and explain. I'll just sit back and let it unfold and watch the bitching as those that don't want to see, be blind to legitimate disputes.
What are you doing up so late? I bet that there will be judges who enjoin the law then suspend it, kicking up the ladder. It will probably end up in the sC
 

dave

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lmao. It is amusing how even simple concepts can just fly over your heads in order to never admit that there are some problems with the beloved right wing. This is one of those times.

I figured it was a waste of time to try and explain. I'll just sit back and let it unfold and watch the bitching as those that don't want to see, be blind to legitimate disputes.
Hahahaha. Blowhard gotta blow.
 

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It is basic civics taught in middle school. In laymans terms, the government can not pass a law that is intentionally damaging towards specific groups in favor of other groups. There are fairness qualifications each bill must pass. It was reported those procedures were ignored during the crafting of the bill. I'm not a constitutional expert and won't pass judgment. I rather find it interesting and will let the process take place as unlike many, I still believe in our democracy and country to get things right.
I honestly have no idea what they can be suing over. Way over my head, but I don't think I'll follow it too closely.
 

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What are you doing up so late? I bet that there will be judges who enjoin the law then suspend it, kicking up the ladder. It will probably end up in the sC
Sometimes have issues laying down therefore I can't sleep. I agree with your sentiment in this post.
 

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In your opinion what's the outcome?
Not sure. There are many precedents ruled on lower courts and the SC on similar laws and enforcement of laws. This is one "conservative" driven law that many of the conservative justices on the SC could go against the republicans in the congress and WH and they won't think much of it politically. It is going to be very interesting.
 

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It is basic civics taught in middle school. In laymans terms, the government can not pass a law that is intentionally damaging towards specific groups in favor of other groups. There are fairness qualifications each bill must pass. It was reported those procedures were ignored during the crafting of the bill. I'm not a constitutional expert and won't pass judgment. I rather find it interesting and will let the process take place as unlike many, I still believe in our democracy and country to get things right.

If that's going to be their argument, then it won't stand, especially in SCOTUS. As IMHO, it's not intentionally damaging a specific group. If it were, then so are other provisions of the tax code, such as the Estate Tax.