I was listening to Sharp and Benning the other day. They were talking about Mickey. They made a comment that "if Frost doesn't save his job this year, Mickey will still be here". Does that mean Mickey is the heir apparent as HC?
Mickey should Frost fail
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In an ideal world yeah you want a guy with a long track record. The problem is the track record guys we end up with are the Mike Riley types, not the Lincoln Riley types. No surefire HC is going to come here.
Nebraska has to take risks on up-and-comers and hope to strike gold. That’s the just the sad reality of a school located in the plains.
Based on what I’ve heard from Mickey I’d be stoked if he were given a chance. Seems like a humble but confident leader.
I don’t know how, once the buyout cost becomes less of an issue the university continues to pay 4+ million per year to a head coach to essentially stay out of the way and not coach
any future success is a result of the assistants picking up the slack and Frost staying out of the way.
Promote one of the assistants to head coach or if you truly want a CEO have Trev take the position since he essentially made all the CEO moves to remove Frost from day to day coaching and hired the assistants.
Cook then becomes AD
any future success is a result of the assistants picking up the slack and Frost staying out of the way.
Promote one of the assistants to head coach or if you truly want a CEO have Trev take the position since he essentially made all the CEO moves to remove Frost from day to day coaching and hired the assistants.
Cook then becomes AD
He could be our college Tony Dungy. Soft spoken, but capable. Tom Osborne 2.0.
And it really depends on the situation. In 1998, Barry Alvarez should have been our coach, not Frank. While I’d argue Frank was ready to be a HC, he just wasn’t ready to be a HC at a program like we were back then. He needed something where people had less expectations. And back then we needed someone to drive a race car.
We have less expectations now.
I definitely think if we have more than 2 losses after the Purdue game, Frost is fired and Mickey in named intern. If we struggle and barley beat North Dakota (which could happen) I think frost could be fired.
Mickey will be the coach in 2022 if Frost is fired at some point during the seasons and I think he’d be the top candidate going forward.
I don’t assume Frost will ever win any games. He hasn’t proven he can win. I hope he wins and I have optimism he will but I don’t assume it
what if Mickey et al are the reason we have success and it is in spite of Frost rather than because of him
if you are successful because of your assistants and in spite of the head coach how do you retain the assistants and keep paying the head coach millions when the assistants are carrying his water?
That's how it works. Have you ever head of a head coach being fired after a successful season because his assistants are carrying his water?
No - but I’ve never heard of a head coach with Frosts record essentially being demoted to a CEO or head coach emeritus role by the AD and the AD essentially spearheading the staff changes that might lead to success
Mickey proved himself at LSU. He has proved nothing yet at Nebraska. See what the man can accomplish at Nebraska before crowning him as the next savior and future head coach or whatever. Frost proved himself at UCF and see how that worked out. I think that Mickey was a great hire, however, let's see what he can do first.
I heard this same thing about Bob Diaco back when Riley was on the hot seat. It was before Diaco even coached a snap at NU. Chill out. What a ridiculous hypothetical and dumb post tbh.
Most likely, yes. If he can't win 6 games with next year's schedule being as favorable as it is, he should be shown the door.
I'm all good with Mickey Joseph being our head coach.
Dude is bringing some serious speed and talent with him and massively respected.
Recruiting like a mofo. And he brings some serious attitude. Mickey was a high school legend still remembered in his parts in Louisiana.
Mickey got no help in his coaching career. He earned it the hard and honest way.
All in on Mickey.
I think Mickey is HC in waiting if Frost fails. No way he would have come to this unstable situation without some kind of security
Bet he doesn't. Did you read about the mess with June Jones and Hawaii? The AD wanted to pick his assistants and Jones said no and that no one does that.
I can guarantee you that not a single coach worth anything would put up with that and if they heard that was how Trev operates, they would be gone.
The last thing a coach wants is for his job to be on the line because of a coach he didn't hire and can't fire. No way.
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you go too far with the last couple of bits..
Trev is indeed in charge from a big picture perspective.
If he fires Frost and hires someone else, Trev will hire someone who coaches within the confines of what Trev wants done, like Alvarez did at Wisconsin.
If that turns out to be someone already on the staff, cool beans.
I know this is the norm, but why?
When the new IT Director is hired, he doesn't go replace all his direct reports. That doesn't happen in Marketing either, nor really any other business.
So why the exception for football/sports?
Dude just stop. It happens all the time. Nobody said he would have to keep the entire assistant staff. One coach. One who has done a great job at a high profile school and has coached multiple positions in his career…. and is an outstanding recruiter…. and is an alumnus of the school. Yeah - what future coach would want that.
Kind of like Tom telling Bo he had to retain Watson....not because he hired him but he because the thought he was very competent, he liked him and the offense was working with Watson as the OC.
Long ways off but Mickey has done it on the recruiting trail so far. We wouldn't have even gotten a sniff of a couple of those kids without Mickey.
Pelini probably had no other head coaching offers. So he wasn’t in a position to say no.
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You're thinking of the wrong North Dakota school.. There is ZERO chance we barely beat the North Dakota Fighting Hawks..
There is a huge difference between telling the new head guy that someone is good and you might consider retaining them and telling them they have to retain them.
I worked in the post secondary college arena and we went through a state wide shakeup. There were 5 schools that were part of legislative changes and when the dust settled every single place had a new head person who promptly either fired everyone in admin or made it rough enough they wanted to leave. In short, they all want "their people" in there. I can also share my personal experience when I took over a struggling post secondary school that was under a USD board, the superintendent told me I had the authority to keep or fire anyone on the campus. After all, I was the one eventually going to be judged on how well the institution performed.
That is not to say, the person previously hired isn't a good fit. In my case, I was the only state director that stayed on at the school but I knew where the new person was headed so retirement looked pretty good. The point is, he had the option as does the head coach, not some board member telling him, hey keep this person no matter what.
Coaches are a different breed. They have to have someone they mesh with, it isn't just about football knowledge. How many coaches were hired by the head guy to eventually be fired mid season or at the end of a season. You simply do not have enough time or chances to win so change can come quickly.
Any coach that can't make their own staff decisions whether it is to keep people already there or fire everyone is setting himself up for problems. I know Alvarez keeps being mentioned, it was more a style he was looking for, the pieces of the puzzle (coaches) changed. I would like to hear the EXACT transcript of the alleged conversation with Bo about Watson, was it you have to keep him or he has done very well, you might consider keeping him.
This is, as I always say, is my opinion from being around lots of coaches in both HS and college. Just had a friend go into the NAIA ranks and the new head coach retained some of the staff and hired some new including my friend but it was 100% his call.
I worked in the post secondary college arena and we went through a state wide shakeup. There were 5 schools that were part of legislative changes and when the dust settled every single place had a new head person who promptly either fired everyone in admin or made it rough enough they wanted to leave. In short, they all want "their people" in there. I can also share my personal experience when I took over a struggling post secondary school that was under a USD board, the superintendent told me I had the authority to keep or fire anyone on the campus. After all, I was the one eventually going to be judged on how well the institution performed.
That is not to say, the person previously hired isn't a good fit. In my case, I was the only state director that stayed on at the school but I knew where the new person was headed so retirement looked pretty good. The point is, he had the option as does the head coach, not some board member telling him, hey keep this person no matter what.
Coaches are a different breed. They have to have someone they mesh with, it isn't just about football knowledge. How many coaches were hired by the head guy to eventually be fired mid season or at the end of a season. You simply do not have enough time or chances to win so change can come quickly.
Any coach that can't make their own staff decisions whether it is to keep people already there or fire everyone is setting himself up for problems. I know Alvarez keeps being mentioned, it was more a style he was looking for, the pieces of the puzzle (coaches) changed. I would like to hear the EXACT transcript of the alleged conversation with Bo about Watson, was it you have to keep him or he has done very well, you might consider keeping him.
This is, as I always say, is my opinion from being around lots of coaches in both HS and college. Just had a friend go into the NAIA ranks and the new head coach retained some of the staff and hired some new including my friend but it was 100% his call.
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2017 doesn’t prove Scott can win, he proved what everyone already knows…Even a blind squirrel
Frost nut huggers will be living on to 2017 UCF until he wins here or Scott dies
been coaching since 2016 and he has one winning season. Minus the 2017 and he’s 21-36. That’s not a proven winner
The schedule agrees with you, but not sure about the leadership on the team yet. Have to see how things look offensively and defensively before I'm ready to make that bet.
ummm Why? I know MJ is a former NU player, but before he got to LSU his resume was very very light on experience..at the P5 level...and he has never even been a coordinator before.
I mean I get that we may not get a proven stud coach with a proven track record, but I would certainly have taken a Napier type experience level guy over an MJ any day of the week and twice on Sunday..MJ doesnt have a resume even close to one that should get him hired at a P5 school..and certainly not Nebraska...
Coordinating an offense or defense has little to do with being a head coach, unless you're hired because you're viewed as an exceptional play caller, i.e. Frost 2018, which obviously doesn't always work out as there are too many other responsibilities for a head coach.
There are generally two elements of coaching: scheming and leading. Leading is more important for a HC. Scheming is more important for a coordinator. To be a great HC you don't have to be able to sit down and devise the perfect scheme to beat a defense. And when it comes to leading, Mickey seems to be the real deal.
Coordinators happen to be the most common hires for HC, but that's because they're in the best position to make themselves known as candidates. An AD is going to have a hard time finding a position coach somewhere who's perfect for their HC job because there are simply too many position coaches out there. But when one falls into your lap, you don't turn him down just because he's never been a coordinator.
Now if Trev has seen evidence that Mickey isn't organized enough or maybe for some reason he believes Mickey is better suited to lead a group of 10 position players rather than a full 150 player team, then great... I trust Trev. But if he sees it in Mickey, for the love of god I hope people don't throw a fit because he's never been a coordinator.
At least Joseph understands the importance of recruiting. I’m not sure that Frost did when he started here.