Covid 5.0
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Probably lack of testing everyone that has cold symptoms and they went into lock down.
Really no idea. However, I have a great admiration for the immune system of any adult living in India.
I was there for 9 days last summer and while I am glad I went I cant imagine ever going back again. The living conditions of the slums really are indescribable
You know, reading that question, it almost sounds like they just want you to narrate the evidence, not prove anything. Laughing
Pay attention much?? The U.S. just had our most new cases by far yesterday, app 17,400. Which was by far more than any other country. Good to see you're staying on top of this. You also planning on following Trump's lead and showing up in church on Easter? That would only make sense, coming from you.
When we're talking about spreading this virus carelessly, you're GD right morons that don't look out for others deserve to be put out of their misery. Them being removed from the population will save countless others that do care about community and the health of others. I'm not suggesting shooting anyone, but I wouldn't shed a tear if anyone that was being careless with other people's lives was removed from society.
I have loads of compassion for those that take this virus seriously and have the community's best interest in mind by staying home. If these people get sick from some careless asshat, that's awful. THAT person carelessly sharing this virus with others is the narcissist. Get it right, stupid..
Great story, great source, and much to understand here,and apply.
There's no way of knowing what percentage of people have lived like this, including early on, where things weren't known at all.
This effects estimates in anywheres from multiple orders of magnitude,to at least a decent sized fraction of any currently known tabulated numbers.
C'mon man...nothing is killing 500 million people a year. We would run out of people pretty quickly at that pace.
To me this is exactly what you shouldn't do? Why are they sticking all these sick people in a single enclosed space without partitions? Shouldn't there be partitions to stop aersol or plastic canopies over each bed with ventilation in&out of the canopies to mainline fresh air&discharge out of the building.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-iran-army-hospital-virus-stricken-capital.html
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-iran-army-hospital-virus-stricken-capital.html
Right in my post I literally said it kills a million not 500 million. It affects 500 million people a year that get it. Maybe you know more than the gov't I guess.
He said effecting,thats not killing. Not sure he meant US only.
But, most people end up dying from pneumonia, as infection, strength of other bodily systems break down first etc.
My bad. Thought you said 500 million. Keep in mind that many of those start out as viruses, then become secondary bacterial infections.
talk with your elderly loved ones about their wishes ... many should not be placed on ventilators or receive ICU care due to futility and the suffering these therapies can often cause without a significant hope of benefit
if things get bad enough we will see if America has the stones to deal with this pandemic
will chances of recovery and end of life decisions be left with the medical professionals or will we continue to deplete scarce resources providing futile care for weeks before families finally accept the inevitable as is the current practice in the US. Will the public be accepting of pulling support off an octogenarian WITHOUT family consent to improve the chances of survival of a 50 year old
will the legal profession feast on medical malpractice claims because front line physicians are having to take care of 50 complex ICU patients at once rather than 15.
if things get bad enough we will see if America has the stones to deal with this pandemic
will chances of recovery and end of life decisions be left with the medical professionals or will we continue to deplete scarce resources providing futile care for weeks before families finally accept the inevitable as is the current practice in the US. Will the public be accepting of pulling support off an octogenarian WITHOUT family consent to improve the chances of survival of a 50 year old
will the legal profession feast on medical malpractice claims because front line physicians are having to take care of 50 complex ICU patients at once rather than 15.
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The US also had 81,000 negative test yesterday, which was by far the most we've had. When more and more test come in (which is what eveyone was screaming about two weeks ago) the numbers for the US are going to climb and fast.
Keep on backtracking. You said what you said.
I, meanwhile, have never said what you continue to claim. You see, stating martial law is a dangerous and unnecessary overreaction is not the same thing as telling people to go out and knowingly spread the virus. Everyone with two eyes and a brain can see this.
Your emotions are causing you to argue with yourself, and you come off like an unhinged lunatic. Ts & Ps to anyone who’s forced to be quarantined with you.
We have a bonafied therapy folks.
We don't know just how good it will be, but will likely keep a fair share of people off ventilators who might have ended up on them.
No, it isnt selfenforced isolation, it's serum. Every successful person who has beaten this thing has serum. One draw, easy, not at all debilitating or difficult, can have enough for three others.
Once these tests are done, we can likely dunk this hv like a bb ,into the common flu category.
We don't know just how good it will be, but will likely keep a fair share of people off ventilators who might have ended up on them.
No, it isnt selfenforced isolation, it's serum. Every successful person who has beaten this thing has serum. One draw, easy, not at all debilitating or difficult, can have enough for three others.
Once these tests are done, we can likely dunk this hv like a bb ,into the common flu category.
I don't support censorship, but you should be outlawed from doing math.
I'm almost sad that you're this stupid.
You, idiotically extrapolated a ficticous death rate the entire population. So you seem to be contradicting yourself.
Get it together man.
Saw this, and without disputing any of those numbers, not in considerations are abundent multipliers that effect them as they are.
Giving a stagnant number in a moving situation gives a glimpse, it tells a story, but not the story.
Frst, every current number we have happened two weeks ago, as thats likely when people first got the virus.
So, we simply go back then, and inject what we were thinking and doing then.
Were states shut down? Cities? All flghts? Were we self isolating as much? Were kids still partying heavily?
All our actions since these numbers will bend those numbers two weeks from now. Getting this away from nursing homes,the elderly,the infirm, we've gotten better at, but not in those numbers, that first shockwave is included,including patient zero,Washington state nursing home etc.
Secondly, and much more importantly, more people are infected than we will ever know,ever.
That real number, divided by those who have died is the real percentage of death per infection.
This, above all things,decimates those numbers you gave, as snapshots are great for the media, but have no grounding in a more true, more understood bigger view.
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Backpedaling, not backtracking. English much?
You said EXACTLY what were in your posts that I quoted. Remember...(LOL!)..."Liberty vs Compliance?" You were the guy that wasn't going to alter his day because of some virus. The guy that threw caution to the wind. The REAL man that wasn't going to stay home for anyone.
You have been changing your story more each day to appear like you're more about being safe and community. I'm glad you finally realized you were wrong and have changed your ways.
It was an arduous task bringing you up to speed, because quite frankly, you're not a very quick study, but with the help of others on this site, at least you now realize the importance of minimizing the transmission of this virus. Mission accomplished.
Edit - At any rate, we've done what we came to do...make people more vigilant. You are now more on the side of reason, so my job is done. Thanks for complying, Mr. Liberty.
You've wasted enough of my time too, so to that vast wasteland of being Ignored you go..
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Any other President would be telling them the same thing..
We need Ventilators not making cars..
Who’s driving around other than going to work or the grocery store..
Sure they are, but it still indicates that there are multitudes of people testing positive, and generally people have some sort of symptoms to cause them to get tested. Symptoms generally drive test numbers.
Regardless of how you slice it, I'm pretty sure 17,400 positives was the largest one day total that I can remember from any country. Maybe China had more on a day or two, but that's a lot of positive tests.
I think the point of that is to show that any other president would have had meetings weeks or even a couple of months ago to to begin production of necessary supplies leveraging the Defense Production Act, and would absolutely not have been Tweeting about it in that manner like a maniac.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...s-ramp-up-calls-to-use-defense-production-act
I think it should have been years ago, j/k.
The new york legislature turned down putting monies into more ventilators.
Actions now speak the loudest, this was a action.
You do understand that freedom of choice includes choosing to self-isolate, right? You know, selfishly choosing what’s best for yourself and your family without needing a military person pointing a gun in their face to comply?
Once again your imagination is putting words in my mouth. If I said any of that, you’d quote it. But, I didn’t, so you resort to screaming into your computer like a maniac.
I haven’t changed any story. The quotes you did pull, I've restated over and over, and continue to stand by them.
Goodness, you are dense.
The ventilator thing is also a moving target.
All we need is for the most needed in a two to three week period.
Places like new york, early in, high numbers, needs numbers of them now, but not Nebraska or other states.
This just doesn't keep ramping up forever, that two week window of infection to either besting it or worse case, needing a ventilator ,but once done, that same ventilator is used for the next person, and on and on.
No one knows peak usage, where the most that need one at one time will occur, but after its done, many of those ventilators will be moved, as planned, to other areas.
Saying we need a million, that would mean we have one million at one time for our country.
I challenge those who want to try, to ascertain if we truly will ever need so many at a given time, knowing how many who have gotten over this, how many wont need them ever, at the true spread of uninfected getting it going forwards.
All we need is for the most needed in a two to three week period.
Places like new york, early in, high numbers, needs numbers of them now, but not Nebraska or other states.
This just doesn't keep ramping up forever, that two week window of infection to either besting it or worse case, needing a ventilator ,but once done, that same ventilator is used for the next person, and on and on.
No one knows peak usage, where the most that need one at one time will occur, but after its done, many of those ventilators will be moved, as planned, to other areas.
Saying we need a million, that would mean we have one million at one time for our country.
I challenge those who want to try, to ascertain if we truly will ever need so many at a given time, knowing how many who have gotten over this, how many wont need them ever, at the true spread of uninfected getting it going forwards.
I know you have trouble with words, so I provided you with your own words. And you still don't get it, which means you're too slow to engage in conversation any longer. You've wasted enough of my time. I should send you a bill, for goodness sakes. You gone..
I think it's fair to say that we don't currently have enough, and we want more than we need just in case, right?
If New York, Seattle, or Detroit were under a military or terrorist attack the rest of the nation would rally with massive amounts of support
but current state is: F em they should have been better prepared or thems the breaks for choosing to live in an urban environment.
but current state is: F em they should have been better prepared or thems the breaks for choosing to live in an urban environment.
You’ve provided nobody with anything except vast amounts of proof that you’re an alarmist with 1st grade-level reading comprehension who looks to daddy govt to put down scary non-complying dissenters while name-calling on a recruiting board.
Pathetic.
Enough of the name calling in this thread. Also, yes we are allowing political talk in the CV threads, but it needs to pertain to the CV and not just anything political.
How do we know though? How many countries are testing ~100,000 people a day? Guessing 1.
On the flip side of this, for the 80% that are symptomatic enough to get tested but don't have it...WTF do they have? And do we have the mortality rate of them?
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