Tim Miles losing Arop?
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Reads like it's Nebraska's decision. I can't imagine anyone would approach a commit and ask them to reclassify without the thought of them saying no. NU advises him, he sits on it, NU doesn't change their mind while waiting and poof, he opens it back up. For the kids sake, I hope coach Chubick is correct.
Curious to see what happens come the early signing period, if we're in on someone that can come in and make an impact right away next season. Does anyone know if we are?
Curious to see what happens come the early signing period, if we're in on someone that can come in and make an impact right away next season. Does anyone know if we are?
Miles must not be too worried. He likely won't be coaching here come 2018 any way.
They speculated Miles doesn't think as highly of him. Wants him to go to a prep school.
I don't claim to know enough about the man in question, but if you're a 6'6 guard playing against Nebraska highschool competition, averaging 15 points is not all that special.
That will translate into about 3 ppg in college.
Maybe he can develop further.
That will translate into about 3 ppg in college.
Maybe he can develop further.
Athletic - yes but I believe the coaches thought he'd be much taller by now when he initially committed like in the 6-6 6-7 range. Offensive skill set needs improvement and Aguek realizes that. But let's be honest would you go to a prep school and reclassify because NEBRASKA BASKETBALL want you to? We move on and kid will be successful at a lower D1 school.
That's the risk you take when you offer a kid as young as Arop was at the time, and I worried about that at the time. IMO, it would have been much better to just not offer him.
This might not sit well with other Omaha kids, and I truly believe Nebraska will never be relevant until they get a kid out of Omaha every other year or so. Not that Omaha kids will be stars, but at least to be contributors.
Omaha South hasn't exactly needed him to score more. It's not like they didn't have other decent players. Put him in another school in the Omaha area, and I bet he'd score a lot more out of necessity.
Basketball is 100% different from Football when it comes to needing local players. When was the last time Iowa State had a starter from the state of Iowa?
Miles needs to get kids on campus that can win Big 10 ball games, not local kids.
Miles needs to get kids on campus that can win Big 10 ball games, not local kids.
Another bad look for Miles. This isn't going to have anything to do with his job status but it's becoming pretty apparent his time is running out.
Odd to read Chubbick's quote of "Either I'm full of $@%# or they are...". That's not something you hear a high school coach say very often of the school their star player is (was) committed to.
Seems to me they (Miles) are trying to free up a scholarship for an extra year by asking him to go to prep school. Obviously Chubbick doesn't agree with that request. No good for the hoops program to piss off the best HS program for D1 bball talent in the state...
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Seems to me they (Miles) are trying to free up a scholarship for an extra year by asking him to go to prep school. Obviously Chubbick doesn't agree with that request. No good for the hoops program to piss off the best HS program for D1 bball talent in the state...
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This whole story is strange. Chubbick is clearly pissed. I suspect we do not know the whole story here. Best to withhold judgement until we do.
True, but it's never good to piss off local high school coaches, especially a legend like Chubick whose son played here. That could come back to bite you in the butt if/when a legit Big 10 player from Omaha comes along in the future.
And FWIW, Teddy Allen from Boys Town might a legit Big Ten player. Iowa State and West Virginia have offered him, as have schools like Cincinnati and Virginia Tech. If he's good enough to play for Huggins and Buzz Williams, you'd think he'd be good enough to play here. But no offer from Coach Miles.
The player is not a a make/break player for the Huskers, that is the good news. The bad news is that Miles sort of looks like a moron even if it is not the case.
Teddy is a stud and sort of a bad ***. Loves rebounding, playing in the paint, getting dirty. If he keeps his head on straight he can be a glue guy that guards 1-3 (4 on some teams) and does a lot of dirty work while also able to fill it up at times.
In Nebraska's pathetic basketball history, when was Nebraska decent? What are our claims to fame? An NIT final 4, a Big 8 tournament championship, and an NIT Championship. Whoopie! What do those accomplishments all have in common? They happened when there were locals on the team. (Hoppen, Stickland, Badgett, Chubick, etc). We don't need stars, but we need bodies who can contribute from nearby, so we can maybe, just maybe have a freaking full roster sometime.
Comparing Iowa State to Nebraska in basketball is a joke. They are practically in the middle between KC and Twin Cities, much closer to Chicago and Milwaukee, they've been relevant in college basketball since Orr was there, they have 18 NCAA tournament victories (18 more than us).
So we don't need any local kids, but yet for the 2nd year in a row, we don't have UNO on the schedule (but we have Sacramento State, University of Mary, Garner Webb, and Southern!!!!!!). Hmm.
We don't need any local kids, but if Nebraska lays an egg again this season vs Creighton, I wonder how much Khyri Thomas will have to do with that?
Get kids on campus. Gee why didn't Collier, and Doc think of that? Hmmm. Maybe we wouldn't be 0-7 in the dance if they had? It's just that easy to get elite players from around the country to go to the University with probably the 2nd worst basketball resume of all Power 5 schools, who's nearest major metro area is Kansas City. So simple.
This thread is awesome.
Two years from now, Miles is 14-16. Nobody here will give coach a break because Arop or any other local kid is on the roster. Bottom line, Nebraska went 14-16.
Two years from now, Miles is 20-10. Nobody here will give a darn if Arop or any other local kid is on the roster. Bottom line, Nebraska went 20-10.
Here's the bottom line; Tim Miles doesn't think Arop is ready for college in 12 months. Bruce Chubick disagrees with him. Some posters agree with coach Miles, some posters agree with coach Chubick. Coach Chubick claims four schools have reached out to him in regards to Arop. I'll be paying close attention to who those four schools are, because as of right now he has two offers. Omaha & Denver. Not even Creighton has offered, which catches my attention.
Two years from now, Miles is 14-16. Nobody here will give coach a break because Arop or any other local kid is on the roster. Bottom line, Nebraska went 14-16.
Two years from now, Miles is 20-10. Nobody here will give a darn if Arop or any other local kid is on the roster. Bottom line, Nebraska went 20-10.
Here's the bottom line; Tim Miles doesn't think Arop is ready for college in 12 months. Bruce Chubick disagrees with him. Some posters agree with coach Miles, some posters agree with coach Chubick. Coach Chubick claims four schools have reached out to him in regards to Arop. I'll be paying close attention to who those four schools are, because as of right now he has two offers. Omaha & Denver. Not even Creighton has offered, which catches my attention.
Does the fact that Nebraska appears to be afraid to schedule UNO catch your attention?
I agree. I said above there is more to this story then we are hearing. I am not a huge Miles fan, but I am willing to cut him slack here. He would be insane to take back an offer to a local kid with D1 talent. Miles is not insane. Ergo there is an issue with this kid's talent
Two years ago UN-L and UNO played. Probably a good thing (for Nebraska) they didn't last year. And I seem to remember before that UNO game Miles being interviewed about how he had been in Darin Hansen's shoes, and couldn't get games against big schools or something along that line. Then UNO gave Nebraska all they could handle, and that series came to a halt.
You guess Creighton is scared? They probably are. But now Nebraska appears scarred of one of the two lowly programs that offered a kid who committed to Nebraska as a sophomore. Exactly how many programs do you expect to offer a kid from Omaha who committed to UN-L as a sophomore?
I agree this thread is awesome. I will admit up front that I am not a Miles fan at all.
The kid doesn't have a Big 10 game or body. So I don't fault Miles for cutting him loose. I do have a problem with Miles cutting him loose after the summer AAU season. That is chicken $4!# I do have a problem with Miles shopping him Arop around to the point that Chubbick was getting phone calls asking about his availability. Weak stuff.
The kid doesn't have a Big 10 game or body. So I don't fault Miles for cutting him loose. I do have a problem with Miles cutting him loose after the summer AAU season. That is chicken $4!# I do have a problem with Miles shopping him Arop around to the point that Chubbick was getting phone calls asking about his availability. Weak stuff.
Who is UN-L? Did you miss a letter and mean Las Vegas? Nebraska didn't play Omaha in a series, they played a single game. There were no future dates scheduled so a "series came to a halt" is impossible.
Omaha lost to Colorado, a tournament team that finished 22-12.
Omaha lost to Missouri, a terrible team that finished 10-21.
Omaha lost to Minnesota, a terrible team that finished 8-23. (NU blew 'em out)
Omaha lost to Wyoming, a terrible team that finished 13-18.
Omaha lost to Eastern Michigan, a bad team that finished 18-15.
To say, probably a good thing (for Nebraska) they didn't play last year is utterly ridiculous. The ending of the debate scene from Billy Madison can be inserted in response to your comments above.
Why is Nebraska scarred? From what? That doesn't make any sense, you're all over the place.
Interesting point about the AAU season, and if that's the case I agree with you. Good job of bringing that up. I disagree about your interpretation on Chubick receiving calls. I read it that since it became public that Arop is available, four schools have reached out to coach Chubick. Not due to Miles "shopping him around", but because of him opening it up.
From the article:
Aguek is disappointed, but he’s OK. I’ve already had four calls about him from other schools.”
I don't think Creighton will offer now, they have signed 2 guards and a transfer in this class and add 2 more guard commits in 2017. If Arop didn't commit as a freshmen/sophomore(?) in high school, I think they would of offered because interested was there. We'll see where he ends up now, and how many schools are actually calling..
Who is UN-L? Did you miss a letter and mean Las Vegas?
Check the link genius.
http://www.unl.edu/
Nebraska didn't play Omaha in a series, they played a single game. There were no future dates scheduled so a "series came to a halt" is impossible.
Yep not possible to play a school 50 miles away when one coach apparently is afraid. Non-con schedules aren't scheduled years in advance. Those two schools playing each other is not impossible.
Omaha lost to Colorado, a tournament team that finished 22-12.
Omaha lost to Missouri, a terrible team that finished 10-21.
Omaha lost to Minnesota, a terrible team that finished 8-23. (NU blew 'em out)
Omaha lost to Wyoming, a terrible team that finished 13-18.
Omaha lost to Eastern Michigan, a bad team that finished 18-15.
To say, probably a good thing (for Nebraska) they didn't play last year is utterly ridiculous.
Nebraska (UN-L, the L is for Lincoln) lost to Samford, at home last year. Samford. Not STANFORD, Samford. Most pathetic Nebraska basketball game I've ever had the displeasure to attend.
The year before UN-L, lost to Incarnate Word, at home.
The ending of the debate scene from Billy Madison can be inserted in response to your comments above.
You are the one who tried made the UNLV connection out of UN-L.
Why is Nebraska scarred?
Don't ask me, ask the guy who could have put a D1 school on the schedule over the University of Mary. It took 55 from Shelds/Petteway to beat UNO (The O is for Omaha), and the game before, UNO beat Marquette on the road. Pretty good reason to not schedule them the next year.
From what? That doesn't make any sense, you're all over the place.
Check the link genius.
http://www.unl.edu/
Nebraska didn't play Omaha in a series, they played a single game. There were no future dates scheduled so a "series came to a halt" is impossible.
Yep not possible to play a school 50 miles away when one coach apparently is afraid. Non-con schedules aren't scheduled years in advance. Those two schools playing each other is not impossible.
Omaha lost to Colorado, a tournament team that finished 22-12.
Omaha lost to Missouri, a terrible team that finished 10-21.
Omaha lost to Minnesota, a terrible team that finished 8-23. (NU blew 'em out)
Omaha lost to Wyoming, a terrible team that finished 13-18.
Omaha lost to Eastern Michigan, a bad team that finished 18-15.
To say, probably a good thing (for Nebraska) they didn't play last year is utterly ridiculous.
Nebraska (UN-L, the L is for Lincoln) lost to Samford, at home last year. Samford. Not STANFORD, Samford. Most pathetic Nebraska basketball game I've ever had the displeasure to attend.
The year before UN-L, lost to Incarnate Word, at home.
The ending of the debate scene from Billy Madison can be inserted in response to your comments above.
You are the one who tried made the UNLV connection out of UN-L.
Why is Nebraska scarred?
Don't ask me, ask the guy who could have put a D1 school on the schedule over the University of Mary. It took 55 from Shelds/Petteway to beat UNO (The O is for Omaha), and the game before, UNO beat Marquette on the road. Pretty good reason to not schedule them the next year.
From what? That doesn't make any sense, you're all over the place.
I totally agree with but basketball recruiting is so different from football. Once a kid "commits" in basketball the recruiting almost always ends. So there is a good chance he doesn't have more offers because he was committed. With that said, I don't think it is a big loss and he probably won't get many more offers, maybe 3-4 more.
I agree with the wins and losses though, like you said, it will work itself out one way or the other.
The shopping him started a little earlier in the summer. Chubbick was getting calls from coaches asking if Arop was still committed to Nebraska. I can't remember which show on 1620 this morning but it was discussed there.
Check the link genius.
http://www.unl.edu/
I don't need a link, answering University of Nebraska Lincoln would do just fine. Not sure I've ever read anyone refer to Husker sports as UN-L. Genius or not.
Yep not possible to play a school 50 miles away when one coach apparently is afraid. Non-con schedules aren't scheduled years in advance. Those two schools playing each other is not impossible.
It's possible, and did happen. Take your anger up with Creighton, who hasn't played Omaha.
Nebraska (UN-L, the L is for Lincoln) lost to Samford, at home last year. Samford. Not STANFORD, Samford. Most pathetic Nebraska basketball game I've ever had the displeasure to attend.
The year before UN-L, lost to Incarnate Word, at home.
Missouri beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Colorado beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Minnesota beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Upsets happen, as you've seen with Samford upsetting Nebraska. And Incarnate Word, at home.
You are the one who tried made the UNLV connection out of UN-L.
No, I didn't. Your misspellings made if very difficult to understand your non-sense.
Don't ask me, ask the guy who could have put a D1 school on the schedule over the University of Mary. It took 55 from Shelds/Petteway to beat UNO (The O is for Omaha), and the game before, UNO beat Marquette on the road. Pretty good reason to not schedule them the next year.
Oh, you meant scared, not scarred. I couldn't figure out how Nebraska would be scarred so thanks for the clarification. You're still wrong, Nebraska isn't scared of Omaha. Beating a 13-19 Marquette team is the best you have?
Oops, you forgot in that same season Omaha also lost by 18 to Seattle, lost by 18 to 15-17 Kansas State, lost by 16 to 14-18 Air Force, lost by 7 to 14-18 Missouri-Kansas City and to top it all off, they lost a Chicago State team that finished 8-24.
But hey, that win over 13-19 Marquette sure did make Nebraska "scarred".
http://www.unl.edu/
I don't need a link, answering University of Nebraska Lincoln would do just fine. Not sure I've ever read anyone refer to Husker sports as UN-L. Genius or not.
Yep not possible to play a school 50 miles away when one coach apparently is afraid. Non-con schedules aren't scheduled years in advance. Those two schools playing each other is not impossible.
It's possible, and did happen. Take your anger up with Creighton, who hasn't played Omaha.
Nebraska (UN-L, the L is for Lincoln) lost to Samford, at home last year. Samford. Not STANFORD, Samford. Most pathetic Nebraska basketball game I've ever had the displeasure to attend.
The year before UN-L, lost to Incarnate Word, at home.
Missouri beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Colorado beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Minnesota beating Omaha isn't an upset.
Upsets happen, as you've seen with Samford upsetting Nebraska. And Incarnate Word, at home.
You are the one who tried made the UNLV connection out of UN-L.
No, I didn't. Your misspellings made if very difficult to understand your non-sense.
Don't ask me, ask the guy who could have put a D1 school on the schedule over the University of Mary. It took 55 from Shelds/Petteway to beat UNO (The O is for Omaha), and the game before, UNO beat Marquette on the road. Pretty good reason to not schedule them the next year.
Oh, you meant scared, not scarred. I couldn't figure out how Nebraska would be scarred so thanks for the clarification. You're still wrong, Nebraska isn't scared of Omaha. Beating a 13-19 Marquette team is the best you have?
Oops, you forgot in that same season Omaha also lost by 18 to Seattle, lost by 18 to 15-17 Kansas State, lost by 16 to 14-18 Air Force, lost by 7 to 14-18 Missouri-Kansas City and to top it all off, they lost a Chicago State team that finished 8-24.
But hey, that win over 13-19 Marquette sure did make Nebraska "scarred".
Coach Chubick was on Sharp & Benning, it's the only local show I can periodically listen to. Best part of that interview, a coach sold out Miles (or 1 of his assistants) and called Chubick to tell him about a conversation he had with this Husker coach while golfing.
He also called out Kenya Hunter without mentioning the name. It was an interesting interview.
CU would not have offered because at about 6'4" or maybe 6'5", he has the size of a shooting guard but does not have high major shooting guard skills. Unfortunately, he did not grow any bigger and his game is still primarily within 10 feet of the basket - which of course is why Miles wants him to go to prep school and hone his offensive skills. Granted, Miles completely botched this one. If you are going to jump the gun and offer an in state freshman a schollie based on projected development rather than current skills and particularly when you are in Nebraska, you better be ready to honor that commitment even if he didn't develop like you hoped he would. Miles could have brought him in, redshirted him or buried him on the bench if he isn't good enough and let him transfer when he realizes he can't compete at the Big X level (or maybe he works his butt off and becomes the player Tim hoped for when he offered and Tim looks like a genius). I understand Tim getting cold feet, because I don't think Aguek is Big Ten caliber and probably won't get there, but man the guy had to know this was going to blow up in his face.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I was at the Omaha-Colorado game and if the Mavs convert some 1-and-1s early in the second half, they upset the Buffs. Also saw the Minnesota-Omaha game on TV, and let's just say Little Ricky was lucky he got the Mavs at the end of a tough road trip.
Not saying the Huskers were scared to play them, but the Mavs were a better team last year than you are giving them credit for.
Regardless of how much Arop has developed/not developed over the last two years, Miles and Nebraska have egg on their face!
Not cool Tim Miles!
Not cool Tim Miles!
So you think Nebraska basketball would be better if we focused more on Nebraska kids?
Nowhere in that was I comparing Iowa State basketball to Nebraska. I am talking about a school with a similar geographical situation. Lets not pretend those extra 4 hours is a make or break with Chicago kids especially when Nebraska is in the Big ten and have a lot more exposure in the Chicago compared to Iowa State. Iowa State is not in the middle of fertile recruiting grounds. They go out and get kids from around the country to come to Ames Iowa and they succeed at it. Hell Kansas has done it for years, you think Paul Pierce is from
Bottom line is Tim Miles has to make decisions ultimately based on if this will help them win Big 10 games and help build Nebraska basketball to take a step in the right direction as a program. That is why he offered the kid so early in the process and why he has ultimately chosen to cut ties with that kid. Who knows if this will be the right choice and if it isn't then he will be looking for new employment. But to think that the kid being from a certain area should play into this decision is absurd.
First of all, no one ever says UNL or UN-L when referring to Nebraska athletic programs. It's Nebraska, or NU or the Huskers, that could be why that was coming up.
Second, I'm not sure what the obsession with the UNO thing is, but unless you have some sort of proof they tried to schedule Nebraska and Nebraska refused, I'm not sure where you get that Nebraska is "scared" to play them. Going back 10 years, UNO and Nebraska have played three times in those ten years, and never in back to back years (go back one more year, and they did play in back to back years, though one was an exhibition game). Not exactly a regular series that you could somehow use as proof that they've been avoiding them.
Also, I wouldn't exactly say they gave Nebraska "all they could handle". After UNO went up big early, when Nebraska couldn't get a shot to fall to save their lives, Nebraska came back and took the lead, and never gave it back. A 13-point win is semi-close, but not real close, and also is pretty close to the margins of victory in the previous games against UNO, so nothing really different there. Early season game against a decent team, they aren't always going to blow them out.
As for future scheduling? I couldn't care less about UNO basketball, but if they have gotten a little better, I wouldn't be surprised if Nebraska scheduled them less. It's not being "scared" it's being prudent. Why play a team that on a good night might beat you, and then everyone will be talking about it and make a huge deal about it, but if you beat them, no one really cares and it does nothing for you? It's essentially a lose-lose situation.