The end of the NCAA?
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Amazing it lasted as long as it did, considering the amount of money college athletes generate. Hopefully, like the article said, something more honest and open will take its place. We all know the NCAA has been corrupt for decades.
They’ve brought this on themselves. By selectively enforcing their own rules they’ve made themselves pretty weak and people were growing tired of them anyway. The bottom line during our game kept talking about the punishment Creighton received for NCAA violations. LSU has to be laughing every time they see that.
That’s apart from the massive amount of revenue they we’re bringing in and the issues that caused. Oh well, it was good while it lasted and has been great for most of the collegiate athletes, many of whom would not have gone to college otherwise.
That’s apart from the massive amount of revenue they we’re bringing in and the issues that caused. Oh well, it was good while it lasted and has been great for most of the collegiate athletes, many of whom would not have gone to college otherwise.
I too pine for the old days but things just got out of control. Coaching salaries were the biggest offenders.
True, it’s hard to say with a straight face that the players shouldn’t be paid when their coach is getting $7mill/year. I understand practically none of the players who make it to the pros could do so without that coaching, nutrition, weight training, etc. that they don’t pay for, but the optics are bad.
The ultimate solution is a minor league for the NFL and NBA. The fact that major colleges are a free farm system for the NFL and NBA has ruined college athletics because way too many of the players in college don't care about a college education and their only real goal is to get to the NFL and NBA. For those types, there needs to be an option to go to a minor league and skip college altogether. What is about to happen is that college players are going to get paid like they are professionals, not college students.
This is a long term threat to the NFL and NBA. Those organizations have corporate sponsor money. Universities have wealthy boosters with sentimental incentives to give and an endless network into upcoming players.
When the universities ban together (and it's coming) to maintain the alumni bases, continue recruiting and then go after corporate money the pro leagues will be in jeopardy.
When the P5 figures out it can be the NFL, the NFL becomes less viable.
When the universities ban together (and it's coming) to maintain the alumni bases, continue recruiting and then go after corporate money the pro leagues will be in jeopardy.
When the P5 figures out it can be the NFL, the NFL becomes less viable.
I don't pay much attention to opinion pieces. They usually have an agenda. The Supreme Court just ruled and the lawyers have not had time to digest what it means. I would not get my hopes up on the NCAA going away. I hope they do but I would wait and see what the NCAA does. The ruling was against them. Their lawyers are most likely looking at the ruling and is in contact with court behind the meaning of what they have to do now or what they don't have to do.
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Nobody wants this, though. I think if it comes to that, the NFL will step in and offer some compromises.
By "anybody" I mean the P5 and NFL (not sure if I was clear there). I think even the P5 understands that you have to maintain some level of 'amateurism' to keep your loyal fanbases. If it's just another NFL, I don't think it's sustainable. So in that vein, the P5 needs the NFL.
If nothing else, the NFL could just lower their minimum age for a year. It's pretty common sense, not sure why they haven't done it yet.
Wouldn't get my hopes up. An NFL minor league with exactly the same players that are in colleges now wouldn't draw a tenth of the TV audiences that college football draws and college football games with kids that are as much students as they are athletes won't draw much better. I can't tell you how it'll play out but at the end of the day it'll go the good ole American way....just follow the money baby. The TV networks will get their way in the end.
Find the Supreme Court ruling online, especially Kavanaugh's concurrent opinion, who gave plaintiff lawyers giant green light to sue the **** out of the NCAA. This ruling was 9-0, against the NCAA. The plaintiff lawyers are the ones licking their chops.
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I am not a lawyer and reading court ruling can be tricky. You might think it means one thing but it ends up meaning something else. Most of those opinions written are basing on what they heard and not from reading the ruling itself.
There is a minor league for the NBA. Its existed for 2 decades now.
In recent years, kids have bypassed college and instead played for the NBA's minor league. The NBA has adjusted pay a couple times now specifically to attract the elite who would otherwise play in college.
It exists and players know about it.
I do wonder where this will end. Will it end at college and not affect younger kids? Will high school athletics be changed? Will just prep schools be changed?
Whats the difference between a school and coach making money off of high school football?...is it really just that they make less overall so its OK? If thats the case, then whats the line between OK and improper? Is age the determining factor- 18 or older, then pay em?
Whats the difference between a school and coach making money off of high school football?...is it really just that they make less overall so its OK? If thats the case, then whats the line between OK and improper? Is age the determining factor- 18 or older, then pay em?
This one isn't tricky.
Edit: The Court basically said the NCAA's business model is illegal.
Edit: The Court basically said the NCAA's business model is illegal.
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I am not saying you are wrong or right. I am just not buying anything until I see what happens.
I think until the P5's tells the NCAA to go take a hike they will still be around. I could also see the NCAA pulling out of football but keeping control over the other sports.
But they do get paid.
Almost $30 to 40k per year
Full tuition
All meals
Full room and board
And a monthly spending stipend that is more than most college students get from parents
Almost $30 to 40k per year
Full tuition
All meals
Full room and board
And a monthly spending stipend that is more than most college students get from parents
The NCAA will be around in some form, no doubt. Sad thing about it, usually there are just chairs being moved around with the same people sitting in those chairs. They are like roaches. You just can't get rid of them.
I can buy this but this isn’t the ncaa fault. Anyone can start a league and try to make it work.
Capitalism is amazing.
Capitalism is amazing.
Actually, they said that with respect to additional educational benefits, the lower court properly applied the rule of reason (and the rule of reason was the proper analysis to apply) and they stated that they weren't considering the limits on scholarships and financial benefits because that ruling was not appealed and therefore not before them. The concurring opinion went further and signaled a lot about how Kavanaugh would rule on the system in general. It was not joined by anybody, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Other justices may agree but think that it addresses issues not before them. Or they could have essentially negotiated behind the scenes to get unanimity on the ruling and a strong message about the system as a whole while remaining ambiguous about how much support it has on the bench.
I 100% agree, but most people just don’t get that. Also factor in how much it would cost them to hire the coaches the get to work with. They are compensated a lot, but the head coach at most schools make a lot of money and a few make stupid money while the players do not receive a large paycheck. It’s an optics thing. No one crying for the players points out coaches starting their careers making $3,000 per year and sleeping in an empty closet on campus.
One thing is for sure, if the NCAA’s rules (pretty much the sole purpose for their existence) are now obsolete, there’s no reason to keep cutting them in on the profits any longer. They no longer bring anything to the table. So, let’s just go ahead and get the Power 5 exodus over with.
That's why it doesn't matter if social media bans some conservatives. Let them go start their own twitter and FB and tik tok, right? Capitalism, or really market-based economies, really beats other systems. But not all slogans about capitalism are true.
The NCAA is barely in football anyway. They don't make any money on it. They don't have any say in scheduling. They don't have anything to do with the post season. They barely enforce any rules, and do so selectively. They could fall off the planet and it wouldn't change football much.
Universities and university foundations are non or not-for-profits or some variation on that model (I'm not a CPA). If you don't have to pay taxes, if you don't have to directly pay players but just offer schollies and some benefits and small monthly stipends, you can pay coaches better than the NFL can. And yes, some of the scholarships have a high value (Vandy's is likely worth more than State's scholly but it's not like scholarship players actually earn more annually at Vandy so Vandy is gonna get the super-awesome players). Plus, big donors can give to athletic foundations that help make a few people millionaires. University property isn't taxed (for the most part). Endowments aren't taxed (that's around $40 billion Harvard gets to play with tax free). Plus, there's a share-the-wealth component to football conferences and even the NFL isn't some libertarian paradise. There are restrictions in place, teams make deals with local governments, taxpayers pony-up for stadiums and other cushy deals owners enjoy. It's not just about capitalism. Our system is heavily regulated, market-bases sytem with a lot of regulations in place that protect vested, wealthy interests.
I didn’t see it mentioned the last cpl days with all the baseball excitement and I don’t know all the details but how in the freak does Creighton get punished by the NCAA for basketball and LSU doesn’t even slow down years after the FBI shows up?
Grade school athletes usually don't have marketable skills; they are learning those skills. Even the best high school athlete is almost never physically mature enough to compete with a college age or older athlete.
High school coaches are basically athletic teachers.
I would think the vast majority of high school athletic programs at best break even, but I have no stats to prove that. Just my impression.
Public High School is free, College is not. No one is getting a benefit to attend, except for the education itself.
I doubt if high school athletics change much, but you never know. Just my 2 cents.
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That's a good thing, right? I pay my taxes, any player or family member who gets a big windfall needs to pay theirs too.
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