LOCKED—-OT - Corona Virus, please explain

[jethreauxdawg]

Why the panic? 11 people have died. Not trying to be cruel, but these 11 were close to death from anything at their age or physical condition. 61,000 people died from the flu last year in the US, that’s a normal year. No one panicked.

Also, the government just agreed to give away $8 billion of tax payer’s money to fight the corona virus. How does that work? Are we paying it to leave? Or are we giving most of that to pharma companies to research it and then profit off selling us the research we paid for? Forgive me if I’m being cynical, but I really don’t understand how throwing an absurd amount of money around is supposed to help. Maybe it’s because I don’t know where the money is going, but I haven’t been able to find that info. At least the state of MS got a nice volleyball court out of their wasted money, what will the US citizens get?

 

[Chris Mannix]

We all know this thread is headed somewhere political, so I would like to be the first to say in before the lock baby!!!!!!!

 

[dorndawg]

NPR reported this morning it has a 1.4% death rate. Flu has a death rate of 0.015. Kinda important to contain that, wouldn't you say?

 

[PirateDawg]

Dr. on NPR said flu kills about .1% at 1.4% we should be concerned

NPR reported this morning it has a 1.4% death rate and we're not exactly sure how it transmits still. Kinda important to contain that, wouldn't you say?

Those numbers sound ok until someone you know and love is a victim.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Agree, not sure why some in Congress made such a mockery of the $2.5B that was asked for. WHEN congress wants to get something done they can get it done. Wasn’t like they couldn’t approve another $2.5B or whatever amount seemed warranted once it looked like more was needed.

 

[Shmuley]

I can assure you that the emergency appropriation is PACKED full of election year goodies for constituencies that will be ... ahem ... encouraged to "express appreciation" as we approach November.

 

[Chris Mannix]

I can assure you that the emergency appropriation is PACKED full of election year goodies for constituencies that will be ... ahem ... encouraged to "express appreciation" as we approach November.

That didn’t take long!!!!!!

 

[mstateglfr]

Its killed 3.3% so far, based on a report I read earlier today.
That is an astronomical amount.

Even if it's only half that in countries with better medical care and cleaner living conditions, that is still a scary high death rate.


The common flu is more easily transmitted, but kills at an extremely lower %.

As for funding- if it's used for population education, research, and vaccination of those unable to pay- seems like it's well spent money.

Unfortunately, there are people in this country who dont recognize why it could get really bad, so education would help.
And teaching common ways to avoid it vs not avoid it will reduce its spread.
Developing a way to stop it seems like obviously well spent money.

Epidemic turning into a pandemic = bad news for all. Health, economy, way of life, etc.

It's usually best to keep pandemics from happening and that costs money.

 

[Chris Mannix]

Its killed 3.3% so far, based on a report I read earlier today.
That is an astronomical amount.

Even if it's only half that in countries with better medical care and cleaner living conditions, that is still a scary high death rate.


The common flu is more easily transmitted, but kills at an extremely lower %.

As for funding- if it's used for population education, research, and vaccination of those unable to pay- seems like it's well spent money.

Unfortunately, there are people in this country who dont recognize why it could get really bad, so education would help.
And teaching common ways to avoid it vs not avoid it will reduce its spread.
Developing a way to stop it seems like obviously well spent money.

Epidemic turning into a pandemic = bad news for all. Health, economy, way of life, etc.

It's usually best to keep pandemics from happening and that costs money.

The resident expert on everything weighs in. Typical day on the sixpack.

 

[mstateglfr]

We all know this thread is headed somewhere political, so I would like to be the first to say in before the lock baby!!!!!!!

There is just no reason it should turn political. It already has, I guess, but this should be one of the least political OT topics there are.
A discussion on Dale's and mole crickets should be more political than this.

 

[PineGroveBully]

ANYONE that tells you they know the mortality rate is lying. Only a small fraction have even been tested. The number of people that brushed it off as a really bad cold is an unknowable number so once tests are readily available and everyone suspected can be tested no matter the age/health then they’re much more likely to find its closer to 1/2, 1/3, maybe even 1/10 of some of the figures being thrown around.

Still just as serious of an issue, but some talking heads seem to have confused it with plague.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

ANYONE that tells you they know the mortality rate is lying. Only a small fraction have even been tested. The number of people that brushed it off as a really bad cold is an unknowable number so once tests are readily available and everyone suspected can be tested no matter the age/health then they’re much more likely to find its closer to 1/2, 1/3, maybe even 1/10 of some of the figures being thrown around.

Still just as serious of an issue, but some talking heads seem to have confused it with plague.

Somebody here gets it. Don't be convinced by the small sample size.

 

[mstateglfr]

ANYONE that tells you they know the mortality rate is lying. Only a small fraction have even been tested. The number of people that brushed it off as a really bad cold is an unknowable number so once tests are readily available and everyone suspected can be tested no matter the age/health then they’re much more likely to find its closer to 1/2, 1/3, maybe even 1/10 of some of the figures being thrown around.

Still just as serious of an issue, but some talking heads seem to have confused it with plague.

True- statistics are only for those who are confirmed with the virus.
There are un-registered people who arent counted due to not having been checked for the virus when they had it. There are also people who died and it wasnt registered as due to the virus.
Then there is the issue of China actually reporting truthfully, which hasnt been a strong point of theirs in the past.

 

[92Alum]

I’m more concerned about how easily the media can drive a panic among the population than the virus itself. They are creating it and loving it because it drives up ‘clicks’ and viewership which equals $$. Also note the death rate will plummet once they get a handle on the true numbers of infected. The death rate is artificially inflated right now because they are only using figures of reported cases. Many many more people have this than have been tested. Annual flu numbers already take this into account as it’s been around long enough that we can accurately estimate the number of infections annually. This is not from me but from CDC officials today.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

The panic is caused by the uncertainty of it all. It’s brand new. We don’t know the mortality rate. We don’t know its long term effects. We don’t know the best means of treating it once infected. Initially, we didn’t even have much insight into how it’s transmitted. And we are struggling to mass produce the means to test for the virus.

We KNOW the flu. We don’t know this. And that’s why you are seeing the panic and hysteria.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

ANYONE that tells you they know the mortality rate is lying. Only a small fraction have even been tested. The number of people that brushed it off as a really bad cold

Exactly, I experienced some of these symptoms a few weeks ago, maybe I had it? Don’t know.

I wish I sold hand sanitizer and MRE’s**

 

[dorndawg]

ANYONE that tells you they know the mortality rate is lying. Only a small fraction have even been tested. The number of people that brushed it off as a really bad cold is an unknowable number so once tests are readily available and everyone suspected can be tested no matter the age/health then they’re much more likely to find its closer to 1/2, 1/3, maybe even 1/10 of some of the figures being thrown around.

Still just as serious of an issue, but some talking heads seem to have confused it with plague.

Appreciate your input, but I for one am going to err on he side of listening to trained health professionals versus a poster on Sixpack

 

[Nunya.sixpack]

I wish I sold hand sanitizer and MRE’s**

dust masks.... I wish I was in dust masks.

 

[WAdawg]

Here are some statistics from the infection in China.

While it's nowhere near the 10 percent mortality rate of its cousin SARS, or the 34 percent mortality rate of MERS, COVID-19 has an overall mortality rate of 2.3 percent, with 80 percent of deaths occurring above the age of 60. Almost 81 percent of all cases turn out to be mild, and children under ten seem to be unaffected, likely because they routinely catch and share benign types of coronaviruses that result in the “common cold.” Below are the most reliable mortality numbers from the first 44,672 infections in China, released by China CDC on Feb 14th, 2020, by age, and comorbidities.
Age and mortality Rate of COVID-19
0-9: 0%
10-19: 0.2%
20-29: 0.2%
30-39: 0.2%
40-49: 0.4%
50-59: 1.3%
60-69: 3.6%
70-80: 8%
80+: 14.8%

Comorbid disease: Mortality rate of COVID-19
Hypertension: 6%
Diabetes: 7.3%
Cardiovascular disease: 10.5%
Chronic Respiratory disease 6.3%
Cancer (any): 5.6

I live in Seattle, which has had the moth deaths so far. Most companies are forcing people to work from home if possible, and some school districts are shutting down, some even without confirmed cases of Covid-19. I do think closing down is an overreaction in most cases, but if you employ people in the high risk categories I don't see how you could ask them to risk a >5% chance of death if they got the virus. I am also not personally worried about getting the virus, but I would be worried about having it and passing it onto my 70+ parents.

Also if there is any sanitizing wipes, hand sanitizer, or TP at the stores where you live, send them my way, we are all sold out.

 

[Chris Mannix]

dust masks.... I wish I was in dust masks.

Don’t forget Clorox wipes.

 

[WrapItDog]

And teaching common ways to avoid it

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[dorndawg]

NOT WASHING HANDS TO OWN THE LIBZ!!!1!!

 

[hatfieldms]

1.4% of cases reported. How many have coronavirus but never reported it because it isn’t that bad too them?

 

[GloryDawg]

I’m more concerned about how easily the media can drive a panic among the population than the virus itself. They are creating it and loving it because it drives up ‘clicks’ and viewership which equals $$. Also note the death rate will plummet once they get a handle on the true numbers of infected. The death rate is artificially inflated right now because they are only using figures of reported cases. Many many more people have this than have been tested. Annual flu numbers already take this into account as it’s been around long enough that we can accurately estimate the number of infections annually. This is not from me but from CDC officials today.

In 2009 12,469 Americans died from H1N1. I remember that going on and the media did not make a big deal of that. I wonder why?******

 

[catvet]

It is a variant of the common cold that is a more virulent strain. So far the only ones dying in the US are the elderly and immunocompromised. Most of the deaths are in a nursing home. Has it been blown out of proportion? Absolutely yes. Do you want to take precautions to prevent contracting it? Absolutely yes. As with any air borne or contact illness, many will catch this illness, but it will be treated like the flu and most of the population will have a transient upper respiratory illness and get over it. A vaccine is in the works, but who knows when it will be available. Bottom line: be very cautious if you are very young, very old, or have lung issues such as COPD, asthma, previous cancer, immunodeficiency, etc. The hysteria around this is insane and to be frank, if we weren't such a scientifically illiterate nation, we would be much better prepared to understand the issues of a low level pandemic.

 

[dorndawg]

Probably because H1N1 killed about 0.01–0.03% of those infected, similar to what we generally call "the flu". Just a hunch*******

 

[dorndawg]

So you're telling me it's WAY safer than driving through Jackson??

 

[GloryDawg]

Probably because H1N1 killed about 0.01–0.03% of those infected, similar to what we generally call "the flu". Just a hunch*******

yeah but we didn't know the kill factor until it was over but while it was going on it was no big deal unlike now. I suspect we will far less infected in the United State then we did the swine flu. The quarantine and the shutting down of flights from other country's is what going to keep it down.

 

[catvet]

So you're telling me it's WAY safer than driving through Jackson??

A Hari Kristna waving an American flag in Tehran is safer than driving through Jackson

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Hadn’t seen it mentioned here, but another scary part of this virus is the incubation period. People aren’t showing symptoms till late and by then it’s already spread. Another disturbing aspect is how quickly this virus is reported to be mutating. Add all that with the 3% mortality rate, this thing is serious. Especially to the elderly.

 

[Bully78]

I am 67 with cancer and a compromised immune system. Looks like I am a prime candidate to die should I get the virus. Having said that, in December and January I had Type A and Type B influenza, and pneumonia. I beat that and I’ll beat COVID-19 should I contract it. I am a tough old Bulldog!!

 

[dawglawz]

Also, the government just agreed to give away $8 billion of tax payer’s money to fight the corona virus. How does that work? Are we paying it to leave?

dude, just make whatever political statement you're trying to make and get it over with.

 

[Chris Mannix]

So you're telling me it's WAY safer than driving through Jackson??

Completely wrong, been driving through Jackson for 10 years. Never had a single issue, and I drive a very nice truck. So before you insult an entire city actually know what you are talking about.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Then why open a thread about coronavirus instead of just listening to all those experts. Experts that can’t even agree on a number, I mean that should have been the first clue. I didn’t dispute anything those experts said on what to do/not do, I just said they don’t know the number, and any expert statistician will likely tell you the same.

 

[Bcash2]

Cheers to many frustrating Bulldog seasons ahead.

You've got the right mentality.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Love your outlook man, it makes all the difference.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I am 67 with cancer and a compromised immune system. Looks like I am a prime candidate to die should I get the virus. Having said that, in December and January I had Type A and Type B influenza, and pneumonia. I beat that and I’ll beat COVID-19 should I contract it. I am a tough old Bulldog!!

Prayers sent your way. Keep fighting the good fight brother!

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Can we admit that there is a better chance of getting a two tire blowout in the Jackson Street potholes than getting the COVID-19 then?

 

[thatsbaseball]

I got real sick back in early Nov. Went to my doctor on a Monday after a rough weekend, including some fever. I have had a very mild (diagnosed by test) case of the flu in the last few years that I thought was only a sinus problem....this Nov deal was much much worse. Told my doctor my symptoms and looks at me and simply says "you don't have the flu" even after I had asked to be tested. Gave me a watered down Decadron shot (that didn't do ****) and sent my *** home. I was sick as a dog for a month. Looking back, I now wonder if he simply had run out of testing kits and didn't want to admit it or just incompetent . This is what worries me about the new virus....are we really prepared AND KNOWLEDGEABLE enough on the local level to help the people who really need help ?

 

[tenureplan]

So it's a fix for social security.***