If we want to ever be a big time program.....

[Clarence Boddicker]

1) We have to continue to buy tickets and show up to games and be loud.
2) Financially support the programs.
3) Wear MSU stuff and publicly support the team.

Those are in concrete. The rest, who cares. Fans are people, and we can't control what people say on message boards, if they boo, if they leave early. I'm convinced none of that matters to recruits anyway.

But all of you talking about how an empty stadium sends a message? Well yeah, it does, just a bad one.

All this to say, all of you who are determined not to go anymore, I won't attempt to stop you, but at least make sure your tickets get in the hands of somebody who will come in your place.

Think about that when you're demanding success, from JoMo or the next coach.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

“If we ever want to be a big time program” ...lol

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I wore State **** yesterday. It’s all my dumbaass packed for the trip back. Every place I stopped other State fans just looked at me and shook their head. This is surreal how bad we got so quick. I’m in a daze today.

 

[Coast Dawg]

If we want to ever have a big time program

first you must first define what "big time" is.


In order to get that in this state and in this conference, Ole Miss and State would need to consolidate programs to Mississippi University.


That will never happen and neither Ole Miss or State will ever be Big Time in this conference

 

[Bulldogg31]

1) We have to continue to buy tickets and show up to games and be loud.
2) Financially support the programs.
3) Wear MSU stuff and publicly support the team.

Those are in concrete. The rest, who cares. Fans are people, and we can't control what people say on message boards, if they boo, if they leave early. I'm convinced none of that matters to recruits anyway.

But all of you talking about how an empty stadium sends a message? Well yeah, it does, just a bad one.

All this to say, all of you who are determined not to go anymore, I won't attempt to stop you, but at least make sure your tickets get in the hands of somebody who will come in your place.

Think about that when you're demanding success, from JoMo or the next coach.

This is correct. Also, quit leaving the stadium down 7 points with 5 minutes to go. That’s bush league. There is no way in the world LSU, Bama, Auburn, Florida, TAMU, Georgia, and the like would see their fans heading for the exits down one score with the ball.

Why are folks in such a hurry to go sit in traffic?

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

first you must first define what "big time" is.


In order to get that in this state and in this conference, Ole Miss and State would need to consolidate programs to Mississippi University.


That will never happen and neither Ole Miss or State will ever be Big Time in this conference

It's sports, you don't have to define your goal. It's already defined. Win championships. You can certainly define how you get there, though.

As far as your defeatist attitude, that's your prerogative. I can't make you be positive and won't even try.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Then whats your suggestion as to how to get a definitive message across to cohen. We cant sit by for 3 years and watch us go back into the toilet hoping to get lucky again and find a mullen. Clearly thats not so easy ro do.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Then whats your suggestion as to how to get a definitive message across to cohen. We cant sit by for 3 years and watch us go back into the toilet hoping to get lucky again and find a mullen. Clearly thats not so easy ro do.

Three things:

1 - Cohen wants to win as much as we do. He is not Templeton. He will not allow a loser to hang around and kill the program.
2 - Contact Cohen directly, but don't threaten to withhold money or anything derogatory like that.
3 - Moorhead will not be fired within 2 years minimum (but probably 3), so none of this matters until then anyway, so support the effort.

Without huge program support, we won't be to attract recruits OR future coaches.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

I wore State **** yesterday. It’s all my dumbaass packed for the trip back. Every place I stopped other State fans just looked at me and shook their head. This is surreal how bad we got so quick. I’m in a daze today.

SO let me get this straight. We lose, we are supposed to stop all support of the team and not wear MSU stuff at all? Wow. I never realized we had such a fairweather fan base. It's fine by me if all of you NEVER come back to campus and never wear MSU again. I think there is probably room on the Bama bandwagon if you all want to jump on a team that hardly ever loses.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Yawn

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

SO let me get this straight. We lose, we are supposed to stop all support of the team and not wear MSU stuff at all? Wow. I never realized we had such a fairweather fan base. It's fine by me if all of you NEVER come back to campus and never wear MSU again. I think there is probably room on the Bama bandwagon if you all want to jump on a team that hardly ever loses.

Let's not go that far. We need everybody we can get. I wish we could convert some USM folks.

 

[beachbumdawg]

Three things:

1 - Cohen wants to win as much as we do. He is not Templeton. He will not allow a loser to hang around and kill the program.
2 - Contact Cohen directly, but don't threaten to withhold money or anything derogatory like that.
3 - Moorhead will not be fired within 2 years minimum (but probably 3), so none of this matters until then anyway, so support the effort.

Without huge program support, we won't be to attract recruits OR future coaches.

1 and 3 are not consistent with each other

It’s either Cohen will pull the plug when it’s time or he will not - saying he has 2 prob 3 years min contradicts the Cohen will not allow the program to be killed

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

3 - Moorhead will not be fired within 2 years minimum (but probably 3), so none of this matters until then anyway, so support the effort.

Without huge program support, we won't be to attract recruits OR future coaches.

This is the part that no one (at least on message boards) seems to be getting. It's amazing the number of people that think we are apparently the one program in the nation that could get away with canning a guy after his first season. Stopping your support of the program because of the last two games is just assuring we won't succeed.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

1 and 3 are not consistent with each other

It’s either Cohen will pull the plug when it’s time or he will not - saying he has 2 prob 3 years min contradicts the Cohen will not allow the program to be killed

No coach is getting fired in less than 2 years (and likely 3) unless he goes 1-11 or 2-10. Why even bring that up, waste of a discussion. If you want him gone sooner than that he's got to leave on his own.

 

[The Fatboy]

Being found with a dead woman or live boy is the ONLY way he doesnt coach next year. To think otherwise is retarded.

 

[Shamoan]

that is not what he was saying. he didnt pack contingency clothing in case we got embarrassed, we got embarrassed, and on his trip back, fellow fans united in their disbelief of what is happening.

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I will support the next coach by buying season tickets the day he is introduced. I will show up to the games until he gives me a reason not to. I went to the airport to greet Moorhead. I bought season tickets. I have been to every game so far. I'm not saying this to beat my chest. I am saying I gave him a chance. A good one. And if he does what it looks like he will do, which is to inherit a Mercedes (a team that won 9 games with 18 returning starters - NOT a Lamborghini) - and immediately drive it into the ditch (last in the conference in total offense and points), he will not have a better chance than this. Not here. And I can't be spending my hard earned for entertainment that isn't entertaining. I buy season basketball tickets, and I'll continue to. I want Moorhead to be successful. I really do. But the writing is on the wall that he is in WAY over his head. And I'm not terribly sure he is aware of that. He is compensated WAY to much to have the output he has. If he was at Tennessee, I'd still have buy in. But he isn't. Tennessee was 0-8 in conference last year. We weren't.

I'm an alumnus. I want to win. In all sports. I just don't think Moorhead has it in him. So for that reason, I say Fire Moorhead.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Then whats your suggestion as to how to get a definitive message across to cohen. We cant sit by for 3 years and watch us go back into the toilet hoping to get lucky again and find a mullen. Clearly thats not so easy ro do.

Call him. Write him a letter. Send him an email. Show up at the Road Dawgs meetings and ask to speak to him one on one.

Fill out the survey that every season ticket holder and Bulldog Club member gets after every game.

We’ve never had an Athletic Director or Athletics Department as open to feedback as this one. Like the new concessions prices? Thank your athletic department for listening to the feedback from their surveys. They listen and they act, but firing a coach five games in may not be the best thing to do for a professional who actually has to make those decisions and live with the results.

I assure you, if you’ve ever met John Cohen you would know that you don’t want to win football games any more than he does. The man HATES losing. Same with Keenum.

They don’t need us to tell them we’re losing. They know that and I guarantee losing to Mullen made them nearly vomit.

What they need to hear from us is that they can count on our support (both physically and financially) as a fanbase so they can be confident making the decisions and commitments that need to be made to produce consistent winners.

I promise you I’m right on this one. We need to not Mississippi State right now.

 

[Bulldogg31]

I will support the next coach by buying season tickets the day he is introduced. I will show up to the games until he gives me a reason not to. I went to the airport to greet Moorhead. I bought season tickets. I have been to every game so far. I'm not saying this to beat my chest. I am saying I gave him a chance. A good one. And if he does what it looks like he will do, which is to inherit a Mercedes (a team that won 9 games with 18 returning starters - NOT a Lamborghini) - and immediately drive it into the ditch (last in the conference in total offense and points), he will not have a better chance than this. Not here. And I can't be spending my hard earned for entertainment that isn't entertaining. I buy season basketball tickets, and I'll continue to. I want Moorhead to be successful. I really do. But the writing is on the wall that he is in WAY over his head. And I'm not terribly sure he is aware of that. He is compensated WAY to much to have the output he has. If he was at Tennessee, I'd still have buy in. But he isn't. Tennessee was 0-8 in conference last year. We weren't.

I'm an alumnus. I want to win. In all sports. I just don't think Moorhead has it in him. So for that reason, I say Fire Moorhead.

But you’ll only support the next coach until he loses or doesn’t run the ball enough? If he also loses and has a bad offense then we should just wait and then call you when we have a winner?

I’m kidding but dang, we can’t have it both ways. We’re either in or we’re out. “In” means hanging in there no matter what. “Out” means see ya and don’t come back when things are good again.

 

[Bruce Dakinson]

Continue to buy tickets and show up to the game?

First. Tickets are expensive. The average resident of MS cannot afford to attend most games. If you live farther away (say Jackson, Memphis) to see a game you would spend a lot of money. Gas, hotel (assuming you can get one in Starkville), tickets, food.. etc. That is a lot for one person. Now imagine you want to bring your kid or your spouse or a friend. That cost increases dramatically.

Why should anyone spend that kind of money to sit in a stadium to watch an overpaid occupation... you know like $200K+ for a football position assistant?... to put a mediocre product on the field.

Moorhead is paid 2.5x more than a pediatric heart surgeon and excuse me for thinking that for that price, he could figure out that we should play to our strengths and run the ball more. The fans should show up and support that? To spend their hard-earned money to sit in a stadium and be miserable so our football coaches can become millionaires and our university richer?

Imagine if I were to attend a broadway play in New York. I would spend $400 on tickets for 2 tickets for myself and my wife, take a taxi ($25-40) to sit in a theater and buy a couple cocktails ($40). Then I sit down and the curtain rises and the actors are forgetting their lines, poor set design, terrible vocal projection, etc... I should do what you just said right?

- Continue to buy tickets and show up and be supportive for the actors
- Financially donate to the broadway show and NYC arts scene
- Buy a shirt in the lobby and publicly support the cast and crew

But I'll make sure to give my terrible Hamilton tickets to a buddy to support them.

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

But you’ll only support the next coach until he loses or doesn’t run the ball enough? If he also loses and has a bad offense then we should just wait and then call you when we have a winner?

I’m kidding but dang, we can’t have it both ways. We’re either in or we’re out. “In” means hanging in there no matter what. “Out” means see ya and don’t come back when things are good again.

So were you "In" for Sylvester Croom? Because if you were, it wasn't the best thing for our program long term. The best thing we could have done would have been to get rid of him years sooner. Then Mullen, or whoever else we would have hired, wouldn't have had as big of a mess to clean up.

I was "In" for Mullen. I was "In" for Moorhead. Mullen gave me reason to believe. We went from 3 wins the year before he got here to 5 wins (and a tenth of a yard of beating LSU) in his first year. That's improvement. Want to know why I still go to Men's basketball games? Ben Howland didn't win a whole lot his first year here. He had a mess that he inherited, then lost everyone on his roster and has to start from scratch. But, last year we saw improvement. Ths year, he better make the tournament. And he knows it.

Moorhead has shown he isn't improving anything. Hey, he didn't have to improve anything. Just keep us on par. With the schedule being easier this year, just beat the teams we did last year (blowing out LSU, UK, and A&M) and we replace UGA with a down UF and we are in a NY6 game. We have alreaddy lost to UK and UF. No improvement there. He has taken us from a pretty good team to a lousy one.

Again, I'm not going to spend my hard earned on entertainment that isn't entertaining.

 

[Upyurs]

So were you "In" for Sylvester Croom? Because if you were, it wasn't the best thing for our program long term. The best thing we could have done would have been to get rid of him years sooner. Then Mullen, or whoever else we would have hired, wouldn't have had as big of a mess to clean up.

I was "In" for Mullen. I was "In" for Moorhead. Mullen gave me reason to believe. We went from 3 wins the year before he got here to 5 wins (and a tenth of a yard of beating LSU) in his first year. That's improvement. Want to know why I still go to Men's basketball games? Ben Howland didn't win a whole lot his first year here. He had a mess that he inherited, then lost everyone on his roster and has to start from scratch. But, last year we saw improvement. Ths year, he better make the tournament. And he knows it.

Moorhead has shown he isn't improving anything. Hey, he didn't have to improve anything. Just keep us on par. With the schedule being easier this year, just beat the teams we did last year (blowing out LSU, UK, and A&M) and we replace UGA with a down UF and we are in a NY6 game. We have alreaddy lost to UK and UF. No improvement there. He has taken us from a pretty good team to a lousy one.

Again, I'm not going to spend my hard earned on entertainment that isn't entertaining.

This says it all. "Just keep us on par" so that's what Moorhead came here to do? Have a program that consistently gets beat by Bama, LSU and Auburn, goes to Music City and Liberty Bowls and occasionally loses to South Alabama, Troy and La Tech. In order to advance this program it's going to be rough. Last thing you want to do is stay on par. Unfortunately we had a lot of expectations with talent this year but change is needed and this year and probably next year will be rebuilding into what Moorhead wants for this program. Contrary to what others have said you cant have your cake and eat it too. Cant just simply change systems mid season that you have started to implement with this team. And just running the ball isnt the cure all. Anyone calling for his firing right now is a complete imbecile.

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Keeping us on par with last year would have gotten us into a NY6 game this year.

We lost to South Alabama once. You are acting like it happened several times under Mullen. We lost to UK with a first year starter at QB. The next year, we proceeded to trounce them. We only lost to UK once in the 9 years he was here.

 

[Upyurs]

Keeping us on par with last year would have gotten us into a NY6 game this year.

Says you. That is far from guaranteed. Even if we had beat UK and Florida we still have to beat very good LSU, Auburn and A&M.

The sooner everyone realizes this program is a middle tier SEC program (at best) the quicker everyone will realize that staying on par is not acceptable. I'm not for staying on par for one year even if it means a New Years bowl. If going through some hardship will result in MSU turning into a stronger more successful program in the long term, I'm all for it. This may not work out but I'll give it a shot. I definitely think we should give a guy more than 5 games before calling for his firing or thinking you know more than him.

Yeah Mullen may have just lost to South Alabama but struggled to several other weak *** teams including Miami Ohio, Samford, UMass, Troy, Bowling Green and got beat by UK, BYU and others who we shouldn't have. That doesn't include the numerous embarrassing loses to teams like Auburn and Georgia. We rarely competed with Bama. Including the choke job last year. Bottom line this program was not capable of consistently competing with other elite programs. PERIOD. If your fine with that, fire Moorhead and get someone who will maintain the status quo.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Thank you.

 

[CoolDawg]

Being found with a dead woman or live boy is the ONLY way he doesnt coach next year. To think otherwise is retarded.

Andy Cannizaro says: "Hold my beer!"

 

[CoolDawg]

If we ever want to be a big time program, we have to win the games we are supposed to win! This year was the year we were supposed to show that we are now a big time program. Instead, we have regressed back to the Croom days. Moorhead is an utter disaster. If he can't win this year, he cannot ever win given the sub-par caliber of player that he is going to be able to attract after this fiasco of a season.

 

[615 Guy]

Lets give Mrs. Moorhead a break, all that matters is she loves Starkville**

 

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Keeping us on par with last year would have gotten us into a NY6 game this year.

If going through some hardship will result in MSU turning into a stronger more successful program in the long term, I'm all for it.

Alot of people (and believe it or not, myself included) thought that when we hired Croom we needed to give him more time. We thought the same thing you just said here. There was patience with Croom, because unlike Moorhead, he inherited a team that didn't have much talent. We were coming off 8 wins in 3 seasons combined. However, I learned from my mistake. I realized that sometimes you just have to cut bait and move on. We would have been miles ahead had we fired Croom after 3 years rather than 5. What makes you think Croom deserved another year? 2? 3? How long would it have taken? I would love an answer to this.

How much time should I give Moorhead before I can ask for him to be fired? I'm all ears. I'll support him as long as you think he is due. If he hasn't changed my mind by then, and I hope he does, I can be vocal about wanting him gone. Is that ok? Any reasonable amount of time. 2 years? 3 years?

For the record, I've never said I would do better. Not saying you used that argument either. But I have seen it used. There's a fallacy to those using that argument. I don't have to do better. But someone else can. Someone else did.

 

[Dawgg]

Being found with a dead woman or live boy is the ONLY way he doesnt coach next year. To think otherwise is retarded.

He came from Penn State, so I mean...

 

[Upyurs]

MSUDAWG. I would say Croom was given ample time. This may also turn out to be true for Moorhead. He very well could end up an utter failure. Or he may get his system churning and be very successful. I don't know the timeframe to give a coach. It's really ridiculous to put a timeframe on a coach. It's like putting a timeframe on a war. It all depends on how things develop. Could be 2 years, could be 3, could be 10. I do know that saying he doesn't know what he is doing and saying he should be fired at this point is ridiculous. At least give the guy some time to do what he was hired to do. Its totally unfair to turn on him this early.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Continue to buy tickets and show up to the game?

First. Tickets are expensive. The average resident of MS cannot afford to attend most games. If you live farther away (say Jackson, Memphis) to see a game you would spend a lot of money. Gas, hotel (assuming you can get one in Starkville), tickets, food.. etc. That is a lot for one person. Now imagine you want to bring your kid or your spouse or a friend. That cost increases dramatically.

Why should anyone spend that kind of money to sit in a stadium to watch an overpaid occupation... you know like $200K+ for a football position assistant?... to put a mediocre product on the field.

Moorhead is paid 2.5x more than a pediatric heart surgeon and excuse me for thinking that for that price, he could figure out that we should play to our strengths and run the ball more. The fans should show up and support that? To spend their hard-earned money to sit in a stadium and be miserable so our football coaches can become millionaires and our university richer?

Imagine if I were to attend a broadway play in New York. I would spend $400 on tickets for 2 tickets for myself and my wife, take a taxi ($25-40) to sit in a theater and buy a couple cocktails ($40). Then I sit down and the curtain rises and the actors are forgetting their lines, poor set design, terrible vocal projection, etc... I should do what you just said right?

- Continue to buy tickets and show up and be supportive for the actors
- Financially donate to the broadway show and NYC arts scene
- Buy a shirt in the lobby and publicly support the cast and crew

But I'll make sure to give my terrible Hamilton tickets to a buddy to support them.

If you can't afford tickets, why did you buy them in the first place? LOL at you.

I'm talking directly to the people who bought tickets and now refuse to come because it looks like we suck. I'm not talking to some average joe who did not buy tickets to begin with.

 

[RocketDawg]

If you can't afford tickets, why did you buy them in the first place? LOL at you.

I'm talking directly to the people who bought tickets and now refuse to come because it looks like we suck. I'm not talking to some average joe who did not buy tickets to begin with.

In his defense, he didn't say he couldn't afford season tickets. He said the average Mississippian couldn't afford them. I seriously doubt that the average MSU graduate, or even fan, makes less money than the average Mississippian.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

In his defense, he didn't say he couldn't afford season tickets. He said the average Mississippian couldn't afford them. I seriously doubt that the average MSU graduate, or even fan, makes less money than the average Mississippian.

Considering that, he should not have replied to my post and tried to refute my points.

 

[Bruce Dakinson]

If you can't afford tickets, why did you buy them in the first place? LOL at you.

I'm talking directly to the people who bought tickets and now refuse to come because it looks like we suck. I'm not talking to some average joe who did not buy tickets to begin with.

Who said anything about me purchasing tickets? I live almost a 1000 miles from the stadium.

Please reread your own post where your first point was " 1) We have to continue to buy tickets and show up to games and be loud. "

And plus, if you have season tickets you can go or not go. That would be your choice. If you live in Starkville and can just go that's great. At worst a few hours of your day is wasted. Most people don't live close and cost time and money to watch a team lose.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Who said anything about me purchasing tickets? I live almost a 1000 miles from the stadium.

Please reread your own post where your first point was " 1) We have to continue to buy tickets and show up to games and be loud. "

And plus, if you have season tickets you can go or not go. That would be your choice. If you live in Starkville and can just go that's great. At worst a few hours of your day is wasted. Most people don't live close and cost time and money to watch a team lose.

It’s all good brother, just don’t ***** about us not being on par with other SEC programs when we don’t act like one

 

[RPOdawg]

1) We have to continue to buy tickets and show up to games and be loud.
2) Financially support the programs.
3) Wear MSU stuff and publicly support the team.

Those are in concrete. The rest, who cares. Fans are people, and we can't control what people say on message boards, if they boo, if they leave early. I'm convinced none of that matters to recruits anyway.

But all of you talking about how an empty stadium sends a message? Well yeah, it does, just a bad one.

All this to say, all of you who are determined not to go anymore, I won't attempt to stop you, but at least make sure your tickets get in the hands of somebody who will come in your place.

Think about that when you're demanding success, from JoMo or the next coach.

we’ll never be a big time program. We are at such a disadvantage with being in a small state with 2 SEC schools. We are a program that can go to bowl games every year and about every 4 years we can have a special season...and by special season I mean win 10 regular season games. That’s the way it’s always going to be. The sooner some of y’all realize that the easier life will be for you.

 

[61dawg]

This conversation reminds me of womens basketball. We have been going to womens games for years. Season ticket holders for years. On a good night there may have been 2-3 hundred people there. Always mostly the same people. We would be there every game even when we were lucky to win 10 games a year. Then they started winning and winning big. Now the lower level is sold out already and a lot of these people act like they are the biggest fans ever and have been there for years yada yada. Let them have a bad season and it will be back to the usual 3 hundred or so. Don't get me wrong, I love that it has grown so big and attendance is high. But don't come in there like you've been there for the whole ride knowing if they start losing we won't see you any more.

 

[RPOdawg]

This conversation reminds me of womens basketball. We have been going to womens games for years. Season ticket holders for years. On a good night there may have been 2-3 hundred people there. Always mostly the same people. We would be there every game even when we were lucky to win 10 games a year. Then they started winning and winning big. Now the lower level is sold out already and a lot of these people act like they are the biggest fans ever and have been there for years yada yada. Let them have a bad season and it will be back to the usual 3 hundred or so. Don't get me wrong, I love that it has grown so big and attendance is high. But don't come in there like you've been there for the whole ride knowing if they start losing we won't see you any more.

i don’t understand your point. People don’t want to spend their time and money watching bad ball. No matter the sport. I think it’s neat we have fans out there that have always gone to women’s basketball games, or basketball games during the Rick ray era, but the majority of human beings would rather spend their time and money somewhere else. I’m one of them. Give me something to watch and I’ll show up and support. Give me garbage and I’ll save money and watch on TV. Pretty smart imho.

 

[Bulldogg31]

i don’t understand your point. People don’t want to spend their time and money watching bad ball. No matter the sport. I think it’s neat we have fans out there that have always gone to women’s basketball games, or basketball games during the Rick ray era, but the majority of human beings would rather spend their time and money somewhere else. I’m one of them. Give me something to watch and I’ll show up and support. Give me garbage and I’ll save money and watch on TV. Pretty smart imho.

Well, it basically comes down to motive.

People who go to as many games as they can win or lose are likely doing it to support the school, the program, the coaches, and the kids. This is fun for them, it makes them happy, it’s all good.

People who only go to the games when the team is winning are doing it to provide entertainment for themselves. This is what’s fun for them, it’s what makes them happy, it’s all good.

Not calling anyone out. Everyone is free to spend their time and money in their own way. I’m just pointing out that there are likely two different motivations here.


It’s the same for people leaving to go home when we’re down 7 points with five minutes to go. The people who stay till the end do it to support the team, the people who leave do it so they can get home faster.