Has Ugonna been in more than four games? Could be a redshirt thing, which I begrudgingly understand.
IF CAL PLAYS WHEELER
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He has, most of which have been for one minute. What a waste. Should have redshirted him.
He wasn’t… which proves my point: he matches up better with some teams than others. The matchups should dictate how much he plays.
And here we go again. Just a few days ago, the conscensus on this board was that Wheeler had given up on the team and was faking procedures and injuries, intentionally skipping senior day, and had quit. Where is the thread reacting to the news he is likely to play? Crickets...
Can any of you imagine how you would respond to a group of "fans" as nasty as ours? The kid can't win.
For my part, I have no idea how much he will play, whether or not he will play well, or anything else. But here is what I know: watching Wallace limping around like an old man out there at the end of games because he's trying to play 40 minutes, and then watching Thiero trying to play point guard against pressure, I welcome Wheeler back for a few minutes here and there to help the aforementioned players and this team.
And some folks here are just plain awful. I hope Wheeler plays, the OP destroys his massive TV and can't watch another game in this tournament, and we're all left thanking Wheeler for his contributions to a big win when all is said and done. If there is any justice in the world, all the haters will wind up eating crow. I'm sure some would welcome it if it means a deep run in the tournament. Others wouldn't give Wheeler any credit for all the tea in China.
Can any of you imagine how you would respond to a group of "fans" as nasty as ours? The kid can't win.
For my part, I have no idea how much he will play, whether or not he will play well, or anything else. But here is what I know: watching Wallace limping around like an old man out there at the end of games because he's trying to play 40 minutes, and then watching Thiero trying to play point guard against pressure, I welcome Wheeler back for a few minutes here and there to help the aforementioned players and this team.
And some folks here are just plain awful. I hope Wheeler plays, the OP destroys his massive TV and can't watch another game in this tournament, and we're all left thanking Wheeler for his contributions to a big win when all is said and done. If there is any justice in the world, all the haters will wind up eating crow. I'm sure some would welcome it if it means a deep run in the tournament. Others wouldn't give Wheeler any credit for all the tea in China.
We actually agree here
I think we need Wheeler for that reason
As I said, in another thread, he’s not that bad a player and can be a valuable contributor if uses properly
Wheeler changes pace and makes Wallace a much better scorer. I for one am excited to get him back and now I actually think he takes some or all of Fredericks minutes for reasons previously stated.
Can tell how many here do not know basketball. Our record with and without Wheeler is not the same since we lost every big game he was in the lineup. With him out of the lineup we won big games against quality opponents on their home floor.
CJ sucks for the most part right now. Injuries, lack of athleticism, no explosiveness, sloth-footedness, whatever the case may be, but, when he is in the floor the lane is opened up on the offensive side. This is not the case when Wheeler is playing. Teams sag off and clog the lane which in turn enables them to have more bodies in position to fight Oscar for rebounds.
Our offense is a grind with Wheeler in.
Finally ANY player on our team provides more resistance defensively in the half court than Wheeler does. Nothing he can do to make himself taller.
CJ sucks for the most part right now. Injuries, lack of athleticism, no explosiveness, sloth-footedness, whatever the case may be, but, when he is in the floor the lane is opened up on the offensive side. This is not the case when Wheeler is playing. Teams sag off and clog the lane which in turn enables them to have more bodies in position to fight Oscar for rebounds.
Our offense is a grind with Wheeler in.
Finally ANY player on our team provides more resistance defensively in the half court than Wheeler does. Nothing he can do to make himself taller.
Amen.And here we go again. Just a few days ago, the conscensus on this board was that Wheeler had given up on the team and was faking procedures and injuries, intentionally skipping senior day, and had quit. Where is the thread reacting to the news he is likely to play? Crickets...
Can any of you imagine how you would respond to a group of "fans" as nasty as ours? The kid can't win.
For my part, I have no idea how much he will play, whether or not he will play well, or anything else. But here is what I know: watching Wallace limping around like an old man out there at the end of games because he's trying to play 40 minutes, and then watching Thiero trying to play point guard against pressure, I welcome Wheeler back for a few minutes here and there to help the aforementioned players and this team.
And some folks here are just plain awful. I hope Wheeler plays, the OP destroys his massive TV and can't watch another game in this tournament, and we're all left thanking Wheeler for his contributions to a big win when all is said and done. If there is any justice in the world, all the haters will wind up eating crow. I'm sure some would welcome it if it means a deep run in the tournament. Others wouldn't give Wheeler any credit for all the tea in China.
Doesn't that mean he isn't an impactful player? The SEC assist leader when he came here? Its crazy.
Im putting Livingston at the point before I'm putting #3 in there for the postseason.
These kinds of threads and comments about Wheeler just piss me off and make me lose a lot of faith in the UK fanbase - or at least not want to participate in the discussions or come to this board.
These people that have ripped Wheeler all year have no clue what they are talking about. He's a good player and his coach has miserably failed him by not providing structure, direction, adjustments, etc. And even then, he's still been solid. The same issues happen whether he's on the floor or not with the possible exception of the Arkansas game where we basically had no point guard and the team played differently on their own.
These people that have ripped Wheeler all year have no clue what they are talking about. He's a good player and his coach has miserably failed him by not providing structure, direction, adjustments, etc. And even then, he's still been solid. The same issues happen whether he's on the floor or not with the possible exception of the Arkansas game where we basically had no point guard and the team played differently on their own.
That's a long list of misses that continues to grow. Don't forget Harrow who was completely overmatched.
This ^. Wheeler has used UK and the team to suit himself. Time for Triple C to use him right back. When Cason is gassed Wheeler should give him a breather. And that’s all. Giving that guy major minutes would be wrong in a lot of ways. He’s a role player now and that should be it.
So, are you saying his ankle has been too bad for him to get in a game for just a few minutes to help Cason ? I just can’t buy that. He wants to be a starter and major contributor but he just isn’t good enough.
I’ll be happy if he plays within his role, which is a spot minute backup PG. But if some of you can’t see he’s “probably” going to play because the optics was turning into SS 2.0, especially after missing Senior Night, then stay blissfully gullible.
I just want UK to go out and do UK things! This isn’t the University of Sahvir Wheeler
I just want UK to go out and do UK things! This isn’t the University of Sahvir Wheeler
And here we go again. Just a few days ago, the conscensus on this board was that Wheeler had given up on the team and was faking procedures and injuries, intentionally skipping senior day, and had quit. Where is the thread reacting to the news he is likely to play? Crickets...
Can any of you imagine how you would respond to a group of "fans" as nasty as ours? The kid can't win.
For my part, I have no idea how much he will play, whether or not he will play well, or anything else. But here is what I know: watching Wallace limping around like an old man out there at the end of games because he's trying to play 40 minutes, and then watching Thiero trying to play point guard against pressure, I welcome Wheeler back for a few minutes here and there to help the aforementioned players and this team.
And some folks here are just plain awful. I hope Wheeler plays, the OP destroys his massive TV and can't watch another game in this tournament, and we're all left thanking Wheeler for his contributions to a big win when all is said and done. If there is any justice in the world, all the haters will wind up eating crow. I'm sure some would welcome it if it means a deep run in the tournament. Others wouldn't give Wheeler any credit for all the tea in China.
They need a player to bash in addition to calipari when UK loses. Not if but when and anyone thinking this bunch can win it all is high and drunk and special.
If he doesn't play 2nite and we lose he's a quitter but if he plays 5 mins and we lose people will blame that 5 mins on him being the reason we lost. If we somehow win, it will be he only played 5 mins and didn't contribute. If he plays 15 to 20ins and win it will be thats gonna lose us the ksu or Montana state game and the beat goes on.
Our fans do trash players and calipari was and is 100% right saying that. Our fanbase hates Wheeler and hated brooks and has trashed topping and Livingston this year.
Then you have the golden boys that are worshipped like thiero and ugona. I guess it's backup qb being most popular guy n town syndrome. Then the great fans we have are already starting on dissing next years class and pointing out their weaknesses but for one player because of who his daddy is and where he is from. That's nauseating as well.
Why can't sane/rational people see that 10-15 mins of Wheeler to spell Wallace is a good thing? Wallace has been run into the ground by the lack of ball-handling depth on this team. We need Wheeler to allow Wallace a break during the tournament. Now...if Calipari shoves Wheeler in the game for 30+, I may too throw something through my TV.
For the record, I don't think Calipari will play Wheeler much, if at all.
Yes he should get CFs minutes. The key is not having the ball in his hands as the shot clock winds down. Need to play him with Reeves and run late clock action through him.
He better play, we need him. Would have beat Vandy if we had somebody on the floor that could keep up with their little guard.
You pretty much nailed it man. The backup QB syndrome might be a good way to describe it. If we're not dominating people by 20+ every game, and especially if we're losing games, the fanbase will find a scapegoat, no doubt. It begins with the coach, of course, and hey- he's getting the big bucks to win so I'm OK with that- but there is always a player or two who becomes the whipping boy of BBN. Last season it was Brooks first and then Wheeler. The savior last year, greatest player since sliced bread, was Allen. As you say, it's always a guy the coach isn't playing as much. The sainthood of the player and untapped superhero abilities are used primarily to bash the coach for being a complete imbecile. This year Wheeler has been the whipping boy and Thiero was the stud, along with Ugonna. Cal played Thiero and his lack of superhero abilities became clear, so then the hidden gem was Ugonna. He would surely average a double double given the chance. But coach is too stupid to see it, according to the masses.
But truth be told, sometimes the Bennies get it right (like pointing out the most efficient lineup this season) but they get it wrong, too. If they could get their hatred for the coach out of the equation, they'd be right most of the time. UK basketball fans know the game, no doubt, and they can recognize talent and skill when they see it, but hate blinds many. Like saying Onyenso is the savior. Potential? Yes, in spades. Ready for prime time? Not at all. Used as a reason to blame the coach? All day.
2 things... he is needed to give guys breathers...and I seriously doubt you have a tv that big, you probably lie to the ladies about how big something else is too
Did you happen to see the question mark (?) after my first sentence ? A simple yes or no would have worked. Since you’re so ‘pissed off’ (your exact words) I guess you just wanted to be an ***. Triple C most assuredly hasn’t helped the kid but he’s not UK good and he’s weak. Add in that he won’t give it a go for just a few minutes and you have exactly what the majority of this board recognizes. Sorry you’re so thin skinned.
The crux of this in the fan base, at least by most of them, is everyone agrees that Wheeler should spell Wallace.
The divide is a good many of them don't trust Cal on when and how long.
And that is why they don't want to entertain the thought of Wheeler getting traction.
The divide is a good many of them don't trust Cal on when and how long.
And that is why they don't want to entertain the thought of Wheeler getting traction.
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No he’s not John Wall or SGA but the Wheeler outrage got old a long time ago.
He’s a perfectly fine player and while I’m sure there’s technically room for improvement, no matter how many limitations you want to hang on him the truth remains that in all the years we didn’t suck we would have been perfectly fine with a first-team all SEC point guard——even a bad one. Frankly to say otherwise only boils down to a conscious or unconscious attempt to make John Calipari into this mythical legendary version of himself who would have won all those miscues if he’d had a better point.
I don’t think so.
He’s a perfectly fine player and while I’m sure there’s technically room for improvement, no matter how many limitations you want to hang on him the truth remains that in all the years we didn’t suck we would have been perfectly fine with a first-team all SEC point guard——even a bad one. Frankly to say otherwise only boils down to a conscious or unconscious attempt to make John Calipari into this mythical legendary version of himself who would have won all those miscues if he’d had a better point.
I don’t think so.
Serious question.
Is Wallace even playing tonight, and if so, how many minutes and at what percent? 80? 90?
Dude looked bad leaving the floor against Vandy. Obvious back issues.
P.S. If we go anywhere in this tournament, it will have to be Wheeler that gets us over the hump. Experienced guards win at tournament time.
Is Wallace even playing tonight, and if so, how many minutes and at what percent? 80? 90?
Dude looked bad leaving the floor against Vandy. Obvious back issues.
P.S. If we go anywhere in this tournament, it will have to be Wheeler that gets us over the hump. Experienced guards win at tournament time.
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well we are only 1 game better without him, so there's that. He doesn't need to play 30 minutes a game, I'll give you that.
Also, dude we had toppin playing point at times during the vandy losses. we win both of those games if we have wheeler.
I do believe his ankle was too bad. Now, the ankle has improved to the level that he can , hopefully, fill in a few minutes to relieve Wallace. Sorry, you cant believe it but isnt that what is happening?
I am guessing you were one of the ones that regularly posted about Wheeler being done, he is selfish, he doesnt support the team and he is looking mad in photos. You have been proven wrong so now comes the great whines that always accompany dumbass predictions.
Tyler Ulis says hello. But yeah not amazing turnout by any stretch from the others
I just didn't understand why you would ask a question clarifying what I said when your question wasn't even remotely close to my statement.
