When did it go wrong? Pin point CCC beginning..

bluedog79

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It started going wrong when he tried to be the Dominican Republic basketball coach and then he did the junior USA team. Got his *** destroyed in both.

That's when John Calipari become exposed and he's never been the same since.
He lost his way and maybe some confidence
 

Boyd94

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I knew he was flawed during the West Virginia game. He was getting the horses so I overlooked it at the time. He no longer gets those horses and the product we are getting is what we should expect. He needs an elite point guard who can get to the rim and a shot blocker first and foremost.
 

Bevcat

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Agreed. The Wisconsin game was the beginning of a down slide for Cal. It’s like, after that game, he was not the same coach. Perhaps he knew in his own mind that he was losing his coaching abilities, which devastated him. He keeps trying to be the coach he use to be, but I don’t think he has the stamina or the heart to do it. Sad really because I’ve always admired Cal, but he just doesn’t have his MOJO like he use to. If he can’t win, and win big next year, he needs to go.
 

know1

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It was around 2015 for sure. By 2018, our downhill slide was picking up lots of momentum. That's when I wanted him gone before he did major damage to the UK program...which he's now done.
 

FinnaGoHAM

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Nov 13, 2015
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I knew he was flawed during the West Virginia game. He was getting the horses so I overlooked it at the time. He no longer gets those horses and the product we are getting is what we should expect. He needs an elite point guard who can get to the rim and a shot blocker first and foremost.
It's like you're living in my brain. The WVU Regional Final exposed Cal because it was obvious he didn't have a clue how to attack a 3-2 zone. Before then - and for several years later - he was able to overcome his own deficits with overwhelming talent. Then, when he lost his recruiting edge it all came to the forefront. Additionally, you hear commentators calling his offense the dribble drive, but he hasn't run the DDO in years. Guys might dribble and some will drive but you rarely see the true DDO.
EDIT: For the record I'm not saying I knew Cal wasn't a good coach back then; I overlooked it as a bad beat, you know, it's the tournament and things like this happen. It was years before hindsight revealed the truth to me.
 

Uk2k4

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The day he decided it was a good idea to:
  • play 3-4 non 3 point shooting threats together for extended minutes
  • Take the air out of the ball every possession no matter what whenever you have any sort of lead and there is less than 5 minutes left in the game
  • Just get the ball in on inbounds plays
  • Never adjust defenses
  • Run the absolute worst stand-still, do-nothing offensive sets I’ve ever seen
  • Act like an extremely animated drill Sargent during games on the sidelines
  • Hate the fans
 
Nov 15, 2008
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Once K started poaching the one and done's, it's been a snowball effect downward ever since, as other coaches have joined in. He was and is a one trick pony jackass - marque recruiting - thing is now he faces stiff competition from others with $NIL and an AD with tic tac sized testicles who refuses to run with the big dogs...

Face it...he had cornered the market in elite young talent, which served as the smoke and mirrors to mask his deficiency as a bench coach. Once the flow of true 5 Star elites dried up, we commenced on the great skedaddle, the darkest it's been here in over 100 years.

We'll see what happens next year...my guess is his fat *** drowns in his own ineptitude and stubbornness again.

He can't possibly leave soon enough.
 
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I have to go with the Wisconsin game been downhill ever since.
The 2015 had 12 scholarship players 9 of which were McDonalds All Americans and 9 of which played in the NBA for at least a short stint.

This teams has 11 scholarship players 4 of which were McDonalds All Americans and will be lucky if anyone outside of Wallace and Livingston play in the NBA.

Maybe the old saying is true that it's not about the X's and O's it's about the Jimmie's and Joe's.
 

WeWant9

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Dec 18, 2013
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2015 was the beginning. But I think the nail was that screwing we got in the UNC loss. I think Cal just said screw it after that.
That’s been my belief for awhile now, too. 2015 was a gut punch to everyone in BBN, but people still had some faith Cal would get back to FFs and another title. 2017 was the last team I really enjoyed from start to finish, and I think that E8 loss just made Cal say eff it.

He had his title, HoF, many draft picks and was content with it. He lost his fire after that year and it has never been close to being lit again. How often does he even talk about titles, etc now?

2018 to present has been a mixed bag, with more negatives than positives. It’s crazy to even think about, but here we all are now.
 
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Short-Dawg-69

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Wisconsin game.
We have had some good moments and memories after that but to be honest Cal has not been the same since.

Move forward to today and Cal is just a Babbling Buffoon.
 
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EliteBlue

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This will be long so bare w me.

There are some obvious answers already listed so I’ll go w the less obvious that I believe created some of Cals sticking points now.

2010 WVU: Yep, year 1…going 4-32 (2 of which came late in desperation) when you had Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe, Patterson. 2 guards that could blow by anyone and finish through contact and 2 elite big men. Since then we rarely shoot more than 15ish threes…especially in March. 2015 shot 5 total (3 for 5) against Wisconsin.

2014 Tweak: that season was an early peak of what we’ve witnessed the majority of the time since 2015 (exclude 2017 and some of 2020). Cal once again tighten led the reigns and went all in are Bully ball. Twins putting their head down and getting to the rim combined w Randal bulldozing from short corner and post. We shot a tonnn of freethrows (but the game isn’t called that way anymore) and we had that miraculous tournament run.

That run essentially was confirmation for Cal that a strategy of forcing it to the rim at all cost and playing as big a lineup as possible was the way to play. It’s an extreme version of the cliche “when you go to the rim 4 things can happen and 3 are good. Get fouled, score, get an offensive rebound, change of possession” but we happened to have a strong as an ox NBA all star and 2 6’6 strong guards. CBB also emphasized changing how they called the game in the following years and stopped bailing out of control players out w fouls. You rarely see teams shoot 30+ freethrows now. It was the really common then.

2015 was a superteam so it worked again, same 6’6 bully guards and KAT, Trey Lyels, but the strategy was the same once he abandoned the platoon. End of the year we were only playing through KAT every possession. 3-5 from 3 when we got knocked out. Might as well not have had the 3pt line. They were +12 from 3. And w all that pounding we shot 10 freethrows.

2016 we lacked size and had an early exit…further Cal confirmation.

2017 guard oriented but still played through our bigs fairly often…prob too much w the elite guards we had (our best team since). Ended in a screw job. But we got bullied in the paint a little. “I NEaeD SiZE” - Cal probably….The last season we haven’t spent half a season trying to tinker w lineups and force big basketball

Since then we’ve watched the same oversized lineups. Tinkering w 5s at the 4 and 4s at the 3…waste half the season…force it inside stagnant on the perimeter basketball.

It stems from the 2010 failure and the over correction on the 2014 and 2015 success. But 6’6 guards and NBA all star big men don’t grow on trees.

Think about it..pre 2014 Cal was known for elite guards and his teams attacked from the perimeter. Wagner, Evans, Rose, Wall, Bledsoe, Knight…… 2 peak years dominating w bully ball w 6’6 guards and elite big men just bigger and stronger at every position….followed by 2 years where Cal likely felt not having size was a downfall…since then he’s been trying to recreate the 2014-2015 success and not shoot yourself out of a game like 2010
 

willievic

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I believe when he was sending all the players, after one year to the NBA, and a lot of us were saying that was great, and he would hold press conferences and saying, "How many of you will be going to the NBA, stand up." Then, he thought his job was to send the players to the NBA, and winning a Championship was second. The "Dribble Drive," allows the player to show his talents, and ability to get to the basket. The NBA can teach you to shoot, but they can't teach athleticism, or height.
 

sluggercatfan

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It started going wrong when he tried to be the Dominican Republic basketball coach and then he did the junior USA team. Got his *** destroyed in both.

That's when John Calipari become exposed and he's never been the same since.
He lost his way and maybe some confidence
Started with 2015 choke job and closed with Shaden Sharpe and his posse punking him.
 

uk78_rivals88018

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The answers so far are all of the above.

I will add that it also has gone wrong when Cal doesn't have a shot blocking physical post presence. His man to man defense where switching can lead to a guard on a 6'8" guy near the baseline really then depends upon a post presence to change the shot. Cal has one style with his defensive scheme for the most part and with an Anthony David or KAT his teams will be good defensively.

Cal is putting Oscar in a defensive situation that is OK but won't solve exactly what I said about the defense. I don't put that on Oscar, how about changing the defensive scheme? Watch Virginia which doesn't have the greatest talent on defense. They quickly double team the man with the ball, force the ball to one predictable side, stop a lot of post penetration and yet still have a man to man basic concept.

The Wisconsin loss hurt, but don't forget KAT got into foul trouble and Wisconsin was a very good team.
 
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He is still paying for his loyalty to Justus and Barbee.

The 2020 recruiting class, specifically missing on Cade Cunningham, was a complete disaster. UK has been using the transfer portal to build rosters, instead of supplementing them, ever since.

After one recruiting cycle with Antigua and Coleman, that all changes next year. Is it enough talent to overcome Cal's coaching inadequacies?

I don't think that bell can be un-rung, but we will see.
 

MegaBlue05

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Mar 8, 2014
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2015 dented his ego and put doubt in the minds of the fans.

2017 and 2019 were pretty good, close to great. 2020 was pretty good and had great guards. 2022 was a regular season paper tiger.

Every other team (2016, 2018, 2021 and 2023) has been mediocre to downright awful.
 
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2015 Wisc. tournament loss....
We easily and often ran 9-10 deep and very athletic.
They 7 deep tops....athletic not so much.
Should have pressed them full court. At the very least they get tired legs, making it difficult for shots to fall.
A middle school coach could see this.
 

rick64

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Jan 25, 2007
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The question is does BBN have it within them for one more season with an amazing recruiting class coming in.
 

HerrosHeroes

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2015 when we wore the white lettering on the white jersey’s. Cursed the program.
Hated em then, hate em now.