Yes and 107 years of trying for nothing but championships—— then 12 years of head-scratching, albeit Anthony Davis.
Jay Shidler was just on KSR and said this about Cal……..
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I don’t hate Calipari. Let me get that out there first
I hate what he’s done to our program because his ego is too big to make necessary changes. Because he has his priorities skewed.
do I expect a title every year? No..the nature of the game in this era pretty much won’t allow that. I do expect to be able to contend for one consistently.
I do expect to have winning seasons and to win more than one game in the SECT
I do expect to not have to be worried whether or not we make it out of the first weekend of the NCAAT
I do expect to NOT go to the NIT
under this regime we have lost our all time wins record, our three point streak, our dominance of the SEC and a whole hell of a lot of pride
that is unacceptable. period
spin it any way you like. The facts are there. I’d rather take a chance on a new coaching staff right now than become completely irrelevant with this one.
I hate what he’s done to our program because his ego is too big to make necessary changes. Because he has his priorities skewed.
do I expect a title every year? No..the nature of the game in this era pretty much won’t allow that. I do expect to be able to contend for one consistently.
I do expect to have winning seasons and to win more than one game in the SECT
I do expect to not have to be worried whether or not we make it out of the first weekend of the NCAAT
I do expect to NOT go to the NIT
under this regime we have lost our all time wins record, our three point streak, our dominance of the SEC and a whole hell of a lot of pride
that is unacceptable. period
spin it any way you like. The facts are there. I’d rather take a chance on a new coaching staff right now than become completely irrelevant with this one.
The head in the sand attitude here is crazy. This is not about total titles in whatever amount of years, and it's not about losing to Peter's this year...
WHEREAS, it used to matter (at least people thought it mattered) where you went as a one and done. UK, Duke, Kansas etc... Ben Simmons changed all that. He did nothing but show off, lose, didn't make the NCAA and refused to play in the NIT, and STILL went #1. It's been a slide since then of kids looking for the easiest route, and honestly can you really even blame them? On top of that, the elites, for whatever reason, increasingly chose Duke. For those, it's cut Cal's recruiting philosophy to the bone. While I believe he's fine enough at X's and O's if he wants to be, he has to do it instead of coaching non NBA players like NBA players.
WHEREAS, we did have a good offense most of the year in SPITE of Cal's system, he tightened the noose even more as he always does in March, and it hurt us. Per https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency just look at the trends as our offense cratered. Our last three games has our efficiency around 119. The offense WAS a problem by the end of the year. Cal's teams are often great defensively but this one did not have the horses.
WHEREAS, Cal is a control freak who won't change, at an age where he's least likely to, and has 9 million reasons why he doesn't need to, I believe that he will not. At the risk of sounding old myself, the kids of the early 2010 are NOT the same kids as the ones of 2022. They were raised by a different set of parents with different values and different ideas about discipline and success. Cal's tactics, motivation, sideline antics, and overall demeanor appealed to a different generation, and he's appealing less and less to the newer one. I'm not here to call one generation lazy or not, but they ARE different and Cal is letting that pass him by. When a coach tries to take that lead, he shuts them down like with Coleman.
WHEREAS, Cal is not going anywhere with that contract
THEREFORE, the next 5 years or so will be a slow motion track wreck unless the above changes. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see the overall slide of the program.
How much confidence do YOU have that those things will change?
WHEREAS, it used to matter (at least people thought it mattered) where you went as a one and done. UK, Duke, Kansas etc... Ben Simmons changed all that. He did nothing but show off, lose, didn't make the NCAA and refused to play in the NIT, and STILL went #1. It's been a slide since then of kids looking for the easiest route, and honestly can you really even blame them? On top of that, the elites, for whatever reason, increasingly chose Duke. For those, it's cut Cal's recruiting philosophy to the bone. While I believe he's fine enough at X's and O's if he wants to be, he has to do it instead of coaching non NBA players like NBA players.
WHEREAS, we did have a good offense most of the year in SPITE of Cal's system, he tightened the noose even more as he always does in March, and it hurt us. Per https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency just look at the trends as our offense cratered. Our last three games has our efficiency around 119. The offense WAS a problem by the end of the year. Cal's teams are often great defensively but this one did not have the horses.
WHEREAS, Cal is a control freak who won't change, at an age where he's least likely to, and has 9 million reasons why he doesn't need to, I believe that he will not. At the risk of sounding old myself, the kids of the early 2010 are NOT the same kids as the ones of 2022. They were raised by a different set of parents with different values and different ideas about discipline and success. Cal's tactics, motivation, sideline antics, and overall demeanor appealed to a different generation, and he's appealing less and less to the newer one. I'm not here to call one generation lazy or not, but they ARE different and Cal is letting that pass him by. When a coach tries to take that lead, he shuts them down like with Coleman.
WHEREAS, Cal is not going anywhere with that contract
THEREFORE, the next 5 years or so will be a slow motion track wreck unless the above changes. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see the overall slide of the program.
How much confidence do YOU have that those things will change?
You lost bassfan at the first 'whereas.'
It’s more about the pursuit of championships.
I can't believe posters are even debating this topic. It's pretty clear to anyone who follows college BB that Cal is more into getting guys to the NBA instead of doing what's best for the University of Kentucky. This needs to change.
Well - if getting guys to the NBA is really all Cal cares about, then there may be more weight to the Laker rumors than we realize.
The days of fielding a winning team with largely OADs is over for everyone but Duke, and I think even Cal realizes that now.
Apparently, Cal's new formula is to try signing whatever top recruits are left over after Duke picks who they want, try to use NIL to coax a couple of guys into coming back who would normally choose playing professional basketball in Uzbekistan over returning to play another year at UK, try to talk a couple of disgruntled guys into not transferring, and then filling out the roster with disgruntled guys from other teams via the transfer portal.
Not quite as exciting as sitting in the Green Room every year with all the celebrities and waiting to see where 2 or 3 of your guys go in the lottery.
The days of fielding a winning team with largely OADs is over for everyone but Duke, and I think even Cal realizes that now.
Apparently, Cal's new formula is to try signing whatever top recruits are left over after Duke picks who they want, try to use NIL to coax a couple of guys into coming back who would normally choose playing professional basketball in Uzbekistan over returning to play another year at UK, try to talk a couple of disgruntled guys into not transferring, and then filling out the roster with disgruntled guys from other teams via the transfer portal.
Not quite as exciting as sitting in the Green Room every year with all the celebrities and waiting to see where 2 or 3 of your guys go in the lottery.
For the record, the "Cal only cares about the NBA" is incorrect. It was and always will be coach speak. If he really cared about that, he would be playing a style of offense that the NBA plays, and would be teaching bigs to shoot from range. He does no such thing.
His defensive hang ups (always play man, no zone) are due to stubborness, not some NBA fetish.
the problem is right now Cal is the 51 year old guy in the club, wearing a members only jacket and a comb over wondering why he cant pull the 21 year old hotties he could 25 years ago.
His defensive hang ups (always play man, no zone) are due to stubborness, not some NBA fetish.
the problem is right now Cal is the 51 year old guy in the club, wearing a members only jacket and a comb over wondering why he cant pull the 21 year old hotties he could 25 years ago.
The view and time of “Do it for Kentucky” has long passed. College basketball has changed and Kentucky is at a crossroad. Players like Brooks , Wheeler, and mintz Will NOT get it done here. That is on Cal and Cal alone can fix that. I fully expect him to for 8 Million a year.
That so called talking head was a UK player. And a really good one. You, on the other hand are just a clueless old man that probably got cut by your elementary school team. Every day brings us closer to the end of Triple C and you still won’t shut up little dude.
I can remember when all the conferences were going to a tournament for the conference champion (ACC had been doing it for years...and the SEC started it back up)....the school of thought was that a team needed to win their conference tournament to be able to have a good run in the NCAA. Used to hear it from 'talking heads' all the time. Don't hear it much these days.
Would be interesting to see how many NCAA champions also won their conference tournament.
Our historical average is one Final Four every 7 years. If we went to 60 percent of Final Fours, our number would be much higher than 17 in 119 seasons.
thanks for showing your crimson tide colors. what kind of fan doesn't know the blonde bomber? I'll tell you who, a Alabama fan.
You're absolutely right but Cal isn't going to change. He's going to ride this method until he jumps ship at a new job and leaves the new coach with either no roster or a terrible roster.
I don't think he will change, ultimately. But, we also never thought he'd clean house of assistants. The problem now is that Cal has changed everything he can that wasn't essentially changing himself. That he still needs to do. But I can't say I feel very strongly if he will or won't.
A lot of people who post on this board are showing their age. When Cal came to UK, I knew he would raise expectations with his early success to a level that he nor no other coach could not sustain. Fans expect a final four every other year and a championship every third year. Not one poster can list an active coach who has had a comparable success.
Laughs. Come now Runny. Is that all you got? They tried that crap in the Tubby wars too. Failed like crap then.
Cal’s biggest problem is being too successful to early. No one could sustain that.
Nick Saban. Granted it's a different sport but that's the level of success Cal is being paid to bring to UK.
Another talking head this dude played for UK and knows what it’s like to wear the blue and the white. He understands the prestige of UK basketball ! Man you just don’t get it!!!!!!Nope...biggest problem was his ego and players first when he was getting the best of the best, the we eat first, we don't play cbb, we are cbb and the gold standard . He was fine when getting the best of the best to hide his coaching flaws that even showed back then, but he had the best horses. Also inherited a few very talented upperclassmen he didn't recruit which played major roles.
This one is a monster he built and without the BOB players, his coaching lack of coaching skills stick out like a sore thumb.
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Way to cherry pick one season. He averaged 6.0/game for his career. Good enough to get drafted by Chicago.
The NCAAT started in 1939.
And he understands am how to leverage the fanbase for money.
no your post was so stupid It would be of no cause to respond because you're too far gone.
Saban also saw the error of his philosophy and changed!
It used to be that good defense beats good offense. Good defense doesn’t beat good offense anymore,” Saban told ESPN on Friday. “It’s just like last week. Georgia has as good a defense as we do an offense, and we scored 41 points on them [in a 41-24 Alabama win]. That’s not the way it used to be. It used to be if you had a good defense, other people weren’t going to score. You were always going to be in the game.