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jwheat

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Is there any way we as fans could create a go fund me or something Similar to get Oscar some nil money to send back to his mother?

I’m sure there are stipulations with the way the players can receive money but would be a cool thing to do
 
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UK90

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Huh? The problem isn’t raising NIL money, instead it’s that immigration law won’t allow him to take it.

And raising money by crowdfunding simply to “give” him or his family wouldn’t qualify as NIL, instead it would be the sort of direct payment still against the rules.
 
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Someone would have to look long and hard into whether that would mess with his Visa status. Seems unlikely he could accept that when he’s not allowed to accept NIL.

HOWEVER you raise an interesting point.

If someone made a GoFundMe or a GiveSendGo fundraiser for his mom, without the money aimed at him at all, would that be doable since it doesn’t even involve him directly? It would no doubt make a lot lot of money very fast and would probably change the picture for him.
 
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IL Wildcat said:
Yeah, I wish we could. Unfortunately, it would be a violation if we did.
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UK90 said:
Huh? The issue isn’t raising NIL money, instead it’s that federal immigration law won’t allow him to take it.

And raising money by crowdfunding simply to “give” him (or his family) wouldn’t qualify as NIL, instead it would be the sort of direct payment still against the rules.
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Could it be put under a gift to his mother
 
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ThroughBlue said:
Could it be put under a gift to his mother
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That sort of payment is still against NCAA rules.

The crux of NIL is that the player is entering a deal where he’s giving up something (ie. rights to use his name, image and likeness) to the business in exchange for payment. If it ain’t that, then it ain’t NIL.

It’s still against the rules for a school or its boosters (i.e. fans) to simply give a player or his family money for nothing in return other than being a UK player.
 
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UK90 said:
No, that would be a direct payment of the sort still in violation of NCAA rules.

The crux of NIL is that the player is entering a deal where he’s giving up something (.ie, rights to use his name, image or likeness) to the business in exchange for payment. If it ain’t that, then it ain’t NIL.

It’s still against the rules for a school or its boosters (ie. fans) to simply give a player or his family money for nothing in return other than being a UK player.
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I’ll slip him some Ben Franklin’s and name my next pet Oscar lol
Least I could do for using his name.
 
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I think you can send money directly to his mother and avoid a violation. Isn't that what Duke boosters did with Zion's family. If anyone knows exactly where his family can be found in the Congo I would like to know. There is a US naval Base there and there may be a UK soldier who would be willing to participate in distribution of gifts sent to him
 
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jwheat

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UK90 said:
No, that sort of payment is still against the NCAA rules.

The crux of NIL is that the player is entering a deal where he’s giving up something (ie. rights to use his name, image or likeness) to the business in exchange for payment. If it ain’t that, then it ain’t NIL.

It’s still against the rules for a school or its boosters (ie. fans) to simply give a player or his family money for nothing in return other than being a UK player.
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So what you’re telling me is we need to find a business that would use Oscar’s mother for a NIL and we can crowd fund to that business
 
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UK90 said:
I suppose we could give it a try, but I’m guessin investigators would see through that as a disguised NIL payment to Oscar in an instant.

Remember, this is federal law enforcement that would be lookin into it, not the piddlin incompetent NCAA. Is trying a scheme like that really worth potentially getting Oscar deported and jeopardizing his NBA future?
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Let’s form a board to head it. We will put Self, Pearl, and Wade in charge.
 
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davekersey said:
If anyone knows exactly where his family can be found in the Congo I would like to know. There is a US naval Base there and there may be a UK soldier who would be willing to participate in distribution of gifts sent to him
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Good Lord, Dave, why do you continue to post false information after you’ve been busted for it SO many times?

No, there’s not a US naval base in the Congo. In fact, it’s a landlocked country that doesn’t even have a coastline. The only US military base in Africa is well over a thousand miles away in Djibouti.

 
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davekersey said:
I think you can send money directly to his mother and avoid a violation. Isn't that what Duke boosters did with Zion's family. If anyone knows exactly where his family can be found in the Congo I would like to know. There is a US naval Base there and there may be a UK soldier who would be willing to participate in distribution of gifts sent to him
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Reggie Bush wants his heisman back
 
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UK90 said:
Good Lord, Dave, why do you continue to post false information after you’ve been busted for it SO many times?

No, there’s not a US naval base in the Congo. In fact, the Congo is a landlocked country that doesn’t even have a coastline. The only permanent US naval installation in Africa is in Djibouti (see link below), nowhere remotely near the Congo.

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Oh jeez. Dave. You keep stepping on the same rake over and over again.
 
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UK90 said:
I suppose we could give it a try, but I’m guessin investigators would see through that as a disguised NIL payment to Oscar.

Remember, this is federal law enforcement that would be lookin into it, not the piddlin incompetent NCAA. Is trying a scheme like that really worth potentially getting Oscar deported and jeopardizing his NBA future?
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Is it federal crime to give a poor woman in the Congo money?
 
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Likely some Congolese businessman is already using oscars image or name and paying him in Congo. That’s how I see it and I don’t see the ncaa being able to do anything about it. It seems to me like it would be ok I haven’t seen where nil has to come from any business in the usa or anything that would prevent a Congolese company from using oscar to endorse them. I also think if oscar wants to change his visa status to earn money an attorney could make that happen. No one knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
 
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Wildcats1st said:
Likely some Congolese businessman is already using oscars image or name and paying him in Congo. That’s how I see it and I don’t see the ncaa being able to do anything about it. It seems to me like it would be ok I haven’t seen where nil has to come from any business in the usa or anything that would prevent a Congolese company from using oscar to endorse them. I also think if oscar wants to change his visa status to earn money an attorney could make that happen. No one knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
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The NCAA doesn’t give two ***** either way. They’re perfectly fine with Oscar earning NIL here or anywhere else. They’ve nothing to do with this issue.

But you may be right about Congolese deals. His visa restricts his right to earn money in the United States …but I don’t see how that impedes him from striking deals back home.
 
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The rules really don't make alot of sense but it is what it is currently.I wouldnt worry about it.
 
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jwheat

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UK90 said:
You’re conflating issues here.

The only way players can be paid under NCAA rules is through NIL where they sell the right to use their name, image or likeness in exchange for payment. But Oscar can’t do so because of his visa status. Thus, that poster was suggesting that he might be able to get around it if a Kentucky business essentially disguised it as an NIL deal with his mother, and not Oscar. If investigators saw through that scheme (as they surely would) then, yes, it could still be regarded as a violation of federal immigration law.

As for simply giving his mother money, that would not violate federal law, but unfortunately, it would likely still violate NCAA rules. The same rules forbidding schools and boosters (.ie fans) from simply giving players and their families money still apply.
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I think Oscar would be fine not seeing a dime of the money that would be given to his mother for hard ships
 
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Panthur

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This is fun to talk about but the bottom line is Cal is richer than any of us and stands to gain a lot more than any of us if Oscar comes back. I’m sure he and the new Sandy Bell whoever that is have already forgotten more about any realistic options for keeping Oscar around than most of us will ever know.
 
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A lot of kids are going hungry tonight because Oscar decided to not score on the last possession!
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Actually, there are more people happy that Oscar didn’t attempt the last shot. The line moved from 11.5 down to 10.5. There was more money in USC than UK.
 
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kybassfan

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I assume these are fans from other teams trying to get Oscar deported. The issue is with his visa.
 
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