Mary Hawkins Butler

[EAVdog]

She single handedly ran the Super Target out of Madison while allowing the Sam's Club to build their faux classical big box monstrosity. For that reason alone she should never garner another vote in the State of Mississippi ever. All because Target wouldn't bow to her desire for fake columns and brick-a-brack. Super Target >>>>>> Sam's Club.

I know this seems like a joke but no Mayor should have the power to determine which businesses are allowed to move to town. Design standards are a very subjective route to enable some seriously shady deals to take place.

 

[patdog]

Target's data breach had a lot more to do with them not coming to Madison than anything Mary did. They were coming until that forced them to cut way back on expansion plans.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Costco is much better than either. But "oh noez teh CEO supported a seekrit moslem for president!" will keep Costco out of Mississippi for the next 5 years.

 

[OleMissLogo]

I disagree with that. As the state auditor I think you should at a minimum be a CPA. I think this position should have a deeper understanding of accounting principles thank most.

I don't think it should be a requirement for the position, but I could understand if someone voted for Candidate A over Candidate B based on A having a CPA license and B not. But I'm also the type that disagrees with most requirements and limitations placed on public offices because I think the people should ultimately decide through a vote what they consider to be the requirements.

That's why I'm also against age restrictions, degree requirements, etc for State Legislature and Congress. If the people of District 1 want to elect a high school dropout, then let them. If they feel he is the best representative for them, then that is their decision.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

I stopped in home depot in madison on the way home from work last year to buy some chain link fence materials and to my dismay there was nothing. I asked store employee why there was none and he said because chain link fence is not allowed in madison the city. He even told me a story about butler throwing her weight around at the home depot. I feel sorry for the people in rural madison that have to drive to jackson to buy chain link fence just because the mayor doesnt allow it.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

She single handedly ran the Super Target out of Madison while allowing the Sam's Club to build their faux classical big box monstrosity. For that reason alone she should never garner another vote in the State of Mississippi ever. All because Target wouldn't bow to her desire for fake columns and brick-a-brack. Super Target >>>>>> Sam's Club.

I know this seems like a joke but no Mayor should have the power to determine which businesses are allowed to move to town. Design standards are a very subjective route to enable some seriously shady deals to take place.

Almost as shady as having family that are huge real estate buyers/sellers/developers all while being in a position to decide what land is zoned residential or commercial.

 

[civildawg88]

[/QUOTE]It's not unusual to have bedroom communities follow that model. You've identified the downsides, but small businesses aren't the only thing that are priced out. Madison has basically taken an approach where they are attempting to freeze (or even shrink) the number of lower income people that can live within the city limits. I'm not a big fan of it, and think that it should be illegal to place minimum sq. footage requirements for new residential construction within a city, but I can understand the appeal of that approach when you are looking at Jackson to the south.[/QUOTE]

Wait. What? That's exactly why people live in madison. I for one do not want lower income families in my neighborhood because you know what low income families bring? Crime. There is a reason no apartments are in madison and the crime rate is way lower than anywhere else.

 

[ronpolk]

She single handedly ran the Super Target out of Madison while allowing the Sam's Club to build their faux classical big box monstrosity. For that reason alone she should never garner another vote in the State of Mississippi ever. All because Target wouldn't bow to her desire for fake columns and brick-a-brack. Super Target >>>>>> Sam's Club.

I know this seems like a joke but no Mayor should have the power to determine which businesses are allowed to move to town. Design standards are a very subjective route to enable some seriously shady deals to take place.

This is not correct. I know for a fact that the 2 reasons target put the Madison location on the back burner was they never reached terms with the land owner and the data breach for target. The city and target had found common ground on the design of the building.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

This is not correct. I know for a fact that the 2 reasons target put the Madison location on the back burner was they never reached terms with the land owner and the data breach for target. The city and target had found common ground on the design of the building.

Who is the land owner?

 

[GloryDawg]

Who is the land owner?

Could it be Lee Hawkins?

 

[ronpolk]

Could it be Lee Hawkins?

No, it is Dr. S.L. Sethi.

 

[johnson86-1]

Wait. What? That's exactly why people live in madison.

You must have misread something. That's what I was pointing out was part of the model Madison was following.

I for one do not want lower income families in my neighborhood because you know what low income families bring? Crime. There is a reason no apartments are in madison and the crime rate is way lower than anywhere else.

Yes, lots of problems go away if you just exile poor people, but most people don't like to openly admit that they'd gladly exile all poor people because some of them commit crimes.

 

[Col. Forbin]

The mayor cannot tell a store it cannot sell chain link fence. This is simply the company choosing not to stock it in the store because there is hardly a demand for it. And there are plenty of chain link fences around Madison, just not in neighborhoods with covenants.

 

[ronpolk]

The mayor cannot tell a store it cannot sell chain link fence. This is simply the company choosing not to stock it in the store because there is hardly a demand for it. And there are plenty of chain link fences around Madison, just not in neighborhoods with covenants.

It really is amazing how people post stuff that is not even possible that it's true. Like you said, what most likely happen is HD made the decision not to stock it.

It's also amazing to me how people down the mayor for certain things she's done with Madison. It's very simple, if you don't like it, don't live in Madison. I understand it's not for everyone but I like the fact that most likely my town won't look like Pearl in the future.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

It really is amazing how people post stuff that is not even possible that it's true. Like you said, what most likely happen is HD made the decision not to stock it.

It's also amazing to me how people down the mayor for certain things she's done with Madison. It's very simple, if you don't like it, don't live in Madison. I understand it's not for everyone but I like the fact that most likely my town won't look like Pearl in the future.

Like someone else said, if you live in Madison and all you care about is keeping your property value high and keeping the wrong people out of your town, you will love MHB. At least the mayor she is now. If you own a business, or have had any dealings with city hall, or tried to develop land, or dared to go against the mayor on any number of issues, you will not like the mayor or her heavy-handed tactics. It's really that simple.

 

[GloryDawg]

I have been trying to follow the thread and I can't figure out who you are replying to.

 

[weblow]

There is no way Mary Hawkins will win over Stacey Pickering.....I lived in Madison from late 70s up until the last 10 years.....she did great things for Madison, and she should stay there....

Stacey Pickering is the best up and coming politician in Mississippi, and I think you will see him make a run for governor when Phil Bryants term is over......and he will probably win in a landslide....wouldnt be surprised to see him end up in washington in some elected position...

Not big into politics but from what I have heard, the FBI is going to make that a little more difficult. May have bad info but that is what I am hearing. As for which is better, him or Mary? Probably both about the same.

 

[fishwater99]

Got her *** beat by Pickering.
She can stay up in Madison.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

Predictable. No one stands a chance against S.Pickering in the foreseeable futur

future.....he will be governor if he wants to.....Tate Reeves should be worried.....he doesnt have the all the republican support in mississippi.....if S.Pickering runs against him, TR will lose

 

[civildawg88]

I have to ask, but why is Pickering so great? I know nothing about his platform so that's why I'm asking

 

[QuaoarsKing]

<shrugs> Oh well. The Democratic candidate is a lesbian (and plaintiff in Mississippi gay marriage suit), so potential for an exciting general election.</shrugs>

 

[fishwater99]

Pickering will win in a landslide.
His political machine will roll.

 

[coach66]

He comes from an old politically connected Mississippi family. His dad ran

for Governor multiple times but never won. He did run respectable races if I recall correctly. I think he was a respected Judge with lot's of connections.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Judge Pickering is his uncle.

 

[Junction John]

You're talking about the second time Target was coming. She did run them off

Target's data breach had a lot more to do with them not coming to Madison than anything Mary did. They were coming until that forced them to cut way back on expansion plans.

the first time. It wasn't just 'columns' as the other guy said, but that's close. She told them what they were going to do, and when they balked, she said "This is Madison, Mississippi, we don't need Target."

True story.

 

[cristilmethod]

It really is amazing how people post stuff that is not even possible that it's true. Like you said, what most likely happen is HD made the decision not to stock it.

I heard she has so much pull in Madison she demanded that Chik Fil A close for an entire day once every weekend. Talk about an overreach of power***

 

[patdog]

That *****! It always seems my strongest Chick-Fil-A cravings happen late on Sunday afternoons too.

 

[coach66]

I was close as usual*

nm

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

I heard she has so much pull in Madison she demanded that Chik Fil A close for an entire day once every weekend. Talk about an overreach of power***

I know you guys are just having fun, but doubting what the Queen can or can not do in Madison is a loser's game.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

sorry, last minute research so I had to resort to six pack

classic!

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Heh. Local knowledge is my friend -- not to mention having an uncle who was in the same Jones County AHS graduating class as Judge Pickering.

 

[EAVdog]

This is not correct. I know for a fact that the 2 reasons target put the Madison location on the back burner was they never reached terms with the land owner and the data breach for target. The city and target had found common ground on the design of the building.

It was my understanding that Target had tried multiple locations. For whatever reason their zoning/design/approach etc... Was never approved.

 

[patdog]

The Target was always going to be on Gallaria Parkway. The project died because Target is really struggling after the data breach and failed expansions elsewhere. They're basically only adding new stores in major cities these days.

 

[Bulldogg31]

So is this lady State or Ole Miss, and is she hot?

That's really all I need to know.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Joce Pritchett is an alumna of MSU and Georgia Tech...

...and was in the Famous Maroon Band.

 

[patdog]

You're making the mistake of thinking they were 2 separate deals. That's how Mary gets her way. She tells whoever is coming in how things are going to be, they balk, she calls their bluff, and then they come crawling back. Same thing happened with Wal-Mart. They balked at her terms and threatened to put the store in at Gluckstadt. She said, fine, build it there. We see where they built it.

 

[seshomoru]

She's actually got a much better resume than Pickering..

who was really good at being a Pickering and turning that counseling "degree" from Baptist Seminary into a liaison job at Howard. Not sure what makes either one especially qualified to be auditor, but she's done a lot less "stepping on the elevator" than he has. I've heard her speak a few times, and she's really sharp. Would do a great job.

He will smoke her in the general.

 

[coach66]

NSFW,

that's all I can say*

 

[fishwater99]

So is this lady State or Ole Miss, and is she hot?

That's really all I need to know.

(girl on left)
Not hot and gay...

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[Junction John]

False, True, True

The Target was always going to be on Gallaria Parkway. The project died because Target is really struggling after the data breach and failed expansions elsewhere. They're basically only adding new stores in major cities these days.

Maybe it's semantics, but they had another site first (ca. 2006). She pissed them off. That was the separate deal I was talking about earlier. Target came back later and selected the Galleria site as an end run because it was not in the city limits. She countered that chess move by refusing them city water unless she had architectural control. Then she captured their queen by including that Galleria site in the annexation. She's 17'ing crafty, that's for sure.

Galleria had other problems, then eventually Target had their issues that you mentioned that finally killed it, at least for now.