Guys, I'm not trying to hate on Wheeler or Kentucky. Even though I'm from Georgia, I know basketball and love the game. You can do better than Wheeler. I was happy to see him leave. Has nothing to do with being butt-hurt that he transferred. If you want to go to the final 4, you need a different point guard. Good night.
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Dude had the most single season assists at Georgia in history as a Freshman.
We cherry picked him from football country.
Problem is 3-4. Nothing outside of Oscar. Brooks and Ware is the problem. We need another Terrance Jones or PJ Washington type player to help Oscar
This. Ppl bashing Wheeler rn are showing their lack of basketball IQ.
He was one of our top 3 players on the floor and without him on the court the offense stagnates.
Bc he is the only person able to get in the lane, he has a tendency to over penetrate occasionally which leads to a forced shot or psd inside.
Still made wayyy more positive plays than negative. Without him we get beat by 20 today
Dont get too cocky until you figure out how to beat them.
Saban owns Kirby Dumb.
Gonna beat them easily. It's our time. Best defense I've ever seen. Kirby has created a monster. That being said, I would love to have a good basketball team. Our inability to take advantage of the Georgia high school basketball talent is embarrassing and not excusable. I will give Kentucky some credit. I think they're the best football team we played even though we won handily. Can't believe Tennessee beat you.
That’s great and all and he was really good the 1st half, but we’re not beating any good teams if he has 7 turnovers.. and TyTy playing like garbage didn’t help either
It “should” be your time. Bama looms as does Oklahoma.
You still have your biggest hurdles ahead of you.
Just remember UK has 8 national titles in basketball and Jawja has but 1 in football
Dont come over here and jinx it
We actually have 6. You're only going back to 1980. Not worried about Alabama and I'm not sure Oklahoma will even make the playoff with their schedule. Pretty sure we're going to shut down the Gayturd's 1980 slogan.
Wheeler has to play under control or he's a liability. He will get abused by larger guards on the defensive end. He can't be turning the ball over and getting his shots blocked during crunch time. He all but killed out momentum and any chance to win down the stretch. Five turnovers and two blocked shots during crunch time? I didn't count how many times during that stretch he tossed a bad pass in the interior.
Exactly. You are proving my point. That's the Wheeler I know from Georgia and that made me want to drink too much. He can look great when it didn't matter but really hurt the team with horrible decisions when it really mattered. Very low basketball IQ not to mention his physical limitations.
This thread is embarrassing. The OP nailed it on the head. As crappy as Askew was and now we have to deal with a 5’8” at KY? It’s like asking a KY 3 star QB to go play at GA and have GA fans rave about it after a loss. Just embarrassing.
He did some of that tonight in the second half. He needs to learn when to try and finish and when to dish it off.
Wheeler broke our backs late. We went from down 15 to only 4 and then he started driving into the trees to get blocked and throwing it away. He was too locked into hero ball at the end of the game and not even looking for guys like Grady. We don't need Wheeler taking 15 shots to get 16 pts. Nor do we need 7 TOs. 10 assists are nice but to 7 TOs who cares.
I liked his play in the first half but in the second half he seemed like a different player. Trying to do way too much. I mean they have a 7 footer and a 6ft10 guy and this 5ft8 dude is dribbling right at them only to get swatted again and again. I thought our PGs would be our strength, but TyTy and Wheeler killed us. They combined to go 9 for 29. Combined for 13 assists but had 7 TOs (All WHeeler).
I liked his play in the first half but in the second half he seemed like a different player. Trying to do way too much. I mean they have a 7 footer and a 6ft10 guy and this 5ft8 dude is dribbling right at them only to get swatted again and again. I thought our PGs would be our strength, but TyTy and Wheeler killed us. They combined to go 9 for 29. Combined for 13 assists but had 7 TOs (All WHeeler).
You ended up being exactly correct after enduring a bunch of ridiculing.
Wheeler literally lost that game in the span of about 4 possessions just doing IDIOTIC stuff.
Love the dude. Such an upgrade from last year. But 7 turnovers, and most of them just awful passes, is unacceptable. Wheeler had only two fewer turnovers than Duke's entire team.
Wheeler has some learning to do and I think he will. Yes, a quick 16 and 10 looks good on paper, but falling down on 5 turnovers and getting blocked 4 times (basically turnovers) is a problem. We will not win many games if he shoots 15 shots and leads the team in FG attempts.
His drives and kickouts aren’t very effective at 5’8” because our shooters men won’t leave to help. There will be a rim protectors waiting at the rim instead.
I like him, but slowwwww downnnn.
His drives and kickouts aren’t very effective at 5’8” because our shooters men won’t leave to help. There will be a rim protectors waiting at the rim instead.
I like him, but slowwwww downnnn.
Hard to believe thats where we are as a program . Without a guy that was really bad during the last 5 min we lose by 20 .. not exactly cause for celebration in the bluegrass . Listen the kid played his *** off .. he gave it 110% , but there is a reason he was at Ga , he's 5'9 . he turns it over a lot . Its the ole 2 things can be true at the same time , he was great for 30 minutes , he was awful for 5 . , he's a GREAT upgrade over the duds from last year , but still not true Ky material. -- historically speaking.
OP was spot on with this post. For much of the game last night I was loving Wheeler. He kept us in it. But he definitely had some costly "WTF" moments, too. That was the scouting report on him, we shouldn't be surprised.
Thanks for your posts need more positive type posts and responses like you are giving…tip my hat to you. I do disagree with one thing and I know u were being sarcastic but still rather have Clappy than Biden!! My daughter in law from Lake Park close to Valdosta.
Yeah, I like the quote about him him great and terrible in the same play, that happened a couple of times. Here’s the great thing though, he is clearly a amazing driver, surely Cal can help his decision making over the year and he can get all our shooters and Big O easy looks.
We were up by 1 with 15:59 to go in the 2nd half. Over the next 6 1/2 minutes Duke built a 15 point lead on the back of 2 Wheeler TO's, 2 Wheeler missed shots, 3 TyTy missed shots, a Brooks missed shot and a Brooks TO.
At least you got out of indyanear before too much damage was done. Also if you are not going to use your sec tournament tickets may I buy them please ?
He’s basically a worse shooting, more careless with the ball Tyler Ulis
I hope I am wrong but I agree with you. I don't care if you have 10 assist when you turnover the ball 7 times and take 6-8 bad shots by driving into the lane and throwing up one handed scoop shots it's negative. That don't even take into consideration that teams with a decent guard will just post him up.
There are two things that are 100% true about Wheeler:
1. He kept us in the game early
2. He took away any chance we had of winning late in the game.
Anyone that has watched him play at all knows this is the type of player he is. I honestly don’t think you will see a drastic improvement in the negative part of his game and that, along with not having a dominant wing scorer, could make for some tough games throughout the season.
1. He kept us in the game early
2. He took away any chance we had of winning late in the game.
Anyone that has watched him play at all knows this is the type of player he is. I honestly don’t think you will see a drastic improvement in the negative part of his game and that, along with not having a dominant wing scorer, could make for some tough games throughout the season.
I mean just watch the game and read the posts. Most people are being fair to him.
I loved him for a lot of the game. He made some mistakes in the last 5 minutes that had me ready to pull my hair out. I think that's just who the guy is.
Without Wheeler, this is a 20 point loss. He created a lot of shots for us. He did more scoring than we should need from him. He knocked down a couple of 3's. I think he's fine.
He took 2 bad layups late and made a couple of bad passes. But we're down 9 and no one else is scoring so he's trying to force an issue.
The last 5 minutes weren't ideal, but I don't think he's going to be that guy when other guys are playing well. I think he tried to do too much because no one else was delivering.
He took 2 bad layups late and made a couple of bad passes. But we're down 9 and no one else is scoring so he's trying to force an issue.
The last 5 minutes weren't ideal, but I don't think he's going to be that guy when other guys are playing well. I think he tried to do too much because no one else was delivering.
The Wheeler “debate” will last the season because his biggest fans who are screaming that his detractors have no basketball IQ are actually the simple minded ones.
It has nothing to do with Wheeler’s overall play. He’s a solid player. It has everything to do with his ceiling. The turnovers and plays where he simply got swallowed up by size are the issues. The fact that he was the “best” player for UK last night is the issue. If UKs best player is Wheeler than it speaks to UKs ceiling. And him being lead guard is going to be a problem for TY who needs the ball in his hands to be most effective.
Wheeler was effective for the most part last night. But it’s the larger issue about the roster and how much the Cats will need to rely on him.
It has nothing to do with Wheeler’s overall play. He’s a solid player. It has everything to do with his ceiling. The turnovers and plays where he simply got swallowed up by size are the issues. The fact that he was the “best” player for UK last night is the issue. If UKs best player is Wheeler than it speaks to UKs ceiling. And him being lead guard is going to be a problem for TY who needs the ball in his hands to be most effective.
Wheeler was effective for the most part last night. But it’s the larger issue about the roster and how much the Cats will need to rely on him.
He needs to when not to force the game and be better tat picking his spots. Tell me honestly how bad do you think we get beat last night without him? Duke had the best 2 players on the floor and it wasn't close but Wheeler was giving them fits for most of it.
My favorite player so far but he has to learn to stop dribbing into traffic and keep space. Space is his friend and he has to learn to manage the ball especially in critical trips down like we had yesterday when we really need to have a good possession. Just gets caught up in the moment I think but he at least adds a dimension we've lacked for a while in a guy that can break the defense down. I know he bothered Duke most of the game.