Jimmy Butler trash talking KAT.

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

You can definitely have a hatred toward Butler for some of his antics, but overrated he is not. He did not make the All Stars nor is he in consideration for DPOY or any even in the weakest chatter for MVP. But Butler has those stats in his D and is leading the NBA in steals per game. His assists and rebounds are solid and scoring and clutch in the 4th qtr are amongst the tops in the NBA.

Hes a good well rounded player that plays extremely hard, including during the regular season when most players are coasting.

Come the playoffs he always fades because everyone plays hard during the playoffs.

He's a really good player, but you're going nowhere if he's your best player.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Take it a step further. Butler is playing on a team that has other players and he doesn't have to do it all, but still is doing it night in, night out.
22 PPG / 7 RPG / 7.25 APG / 2.14 Steals per game.
* Draws the other teams best player on defense night in and night out.
* Makes every player on the floor around him better, true sign of a leader. They ALL follow Jimmy Butler. He is the clear cut leader of the team.
* But the biggest telling stat, he has played in 50 games. Heat are 31-19 with him / 6-12 in games with out.

Towns wanted buddies / friends to join forces with him, he wanted guys that would not threaten his place as the big man on campus with the Wolves. Can't have another top guy getting shine. THAT is why he will never leave Minnesota, he loves being top dog, most important player on a losing team, than be one of the 3/4 guys on a winning team.

 

[BlueLegends]

Hes a good well rounded player that plays extremely hard, including during the regular season when most players are coasting.

Come the playoffs he always fades because everyone plays hard during the playoffs.

He's a really good player, but you're going nowhere if he's your best player.

I see your point and I’m truly not arguing that. I’m happy that that OUR boys made it to the finals and were KEY pieces in just their rookie and sophomore years. You’ve got quite a few NBA stars today that have never made it to the finals in careers that have been over a decade long. Could you imagine if Bam and Herro were to get that far again on just their 2nd or 3rd seasons.

True, in today’s NBA, stars must have that so called BS Big 3 to become this lock to win it all. But I believe in the underdog and with a passion don’t want LeBron nor Harden getting there.

People talking how college used to be glorious, the NBA used to play the game the way it was meant to be played as a team. Boston Celtics, 76’ers (80’s), and even the Detroit Bad Boys, played with unity and intensity that made it an enjoyment to watch.

 

[Lord Z]

From the outside looking in, as I don't watch the NBA, sounds like KAT needs to grow up a bit and stand up to Butler. Butler wants KAT to be tough? Well, then KAT needs to lay him out like Kareem Abul-Jabbar did to Kent Benson. Take the suspension, pay the fines, then drop 50 on Butler every time they play. I'm not sure KAT had that in him, though.

This basically was the whole point of my thread. When a man calls out another man like Butler did to Kat's face, it doesn't matter where you are that is an immediate fight. You have to punch Butler square in the face the moment that comes out of his mouth. Ain't no more talking after that. Time to roll his *** up.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

I see your point and I’m truly not arguing that. I’m happy that that OUR boys made it to the finals and were KEY pieces in just their rookie and sophomore years. You’ve got quite a few NBA stars today that have never made it to the finals in careers that have been over a decade long. Could you imagine if Bam and Herro were to get that far again on just their 2nd or 3rd seasons.

True, in today’s NBA, stars must have that so called BS Big 3 to become this lock to win it all. But I believe in the underdog and with a passion don’t want LeBron nor Harden getting there.

People talking how college used to be glorious, the NBA used to play the game the way it was meant to be played as a team. Boston Celtics, 76’ers (80’s), and even the Detroit Bad Boys, played with unity and intensity that made it an enjoyment to watch.

You make a great point. Look how differently butler accepted herro and bam. There's a reason

 

[BlueLegends]

This basically was the whole point of my thread. When a man calls out another man like Butler did to Kat's face, it doesn't matter where you are that is an immediate fight. You have to punch Butler square in the face the moment that comes out of his mouth. Ain't no more talking after that. Time to roll his *** up.

I want to sit next to you in anger management class and copy your notes. Lmao.

 

[MakinMusic_rivals]

I loved KAT in college. He is definitely a finesse player in the NBA. He really was in college too. Hopefully Butler’s comments will make him change that to propel his game further.

 

[irishcat1965]

10 boards for someone his size isn't great. It's decent, but it kinda tells the story of a guy who doesn't go all out

What a ridiculous statement. AD has averaged 10 boards over his whole NBA career. You saying AD doesn’t go all out?

 

[ToniTonyToneDelkDelkDelk]

Yeap, 21-47 is definitely headed in the right direction. Right direction for another top 5 lottery pick that they will draft a player who is soft or do not need. Right direction, 1 game ahead of the professionally, and one of the best all time, obvious tank jobs in history, Detroit Pistons. Hell they are so bad, the only way to go is up. They let KAT bring his "buddy" Deangelo Russell (another soft as charmin, one way player) and gave up 3 #1 picks to do so. I love former Cats as much as the next guy, but KAT is the poster child of one way player. He gets abused on defense, abused. Has not shown ANY signs of improving. I bet he can't bench half his weight. Out shape, weak, but he can shoot the 3, looks good from a 7 footer. Rebounds in his area (under the goal), and drops a few dimes, total player ? Not even close. Franchise player ? LOL. Nope.

Lol... you sound informed.

 

[catsfanbgky]

10 boards is OK for Towns, he is a 7 footer and rebounds in his area. He is not a guy who will track balls / go and take rebounds. There are 10 rebounds a game, then there are 10 rebounds per game. I bet some will call Westbrook a stat chaser, but will not give him credit for AVERAGING 10 RPG as a 6-3 guard. To me, Westbrook averaging 10 is amazing, KAT on defense NEVER leaves the rim area. One stat to back my point up, he gives a 63% FG % from inside 5 feet (around the rim guarding guys his own size, and a terrible 60% inside 10 feet. KAT is a fine offensive player, and even better human being, he is just not a franchise player you can build a championship team around with him as the focal point. He has only finished one time in the top 10 of box + / - category (7th last year. Rest of the years, he has been in the 15-18 ranked range. I mean if we are going strictly on averages and not eff. and the analytics that are so important Russell Westbrook has a 99.9% chance of being a HOF'er, KAT has a 4% chance. Jimmy Butler has a 47% chance.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Lol... you sound informed.

Not informed, I just use facts, not be bias because a guy played at UK. Pretty simple really.

 

[ToniTonyToneDelkDelkDelk]

Not informed, I just use facts, not be bias because a guy played at UK. Pretty simple really.

Yes how can anybody dispute the "facts" that KAT is "soft", "out of shape", what he benches, D-Lo is also soft or the fan fiction you wrote about Jimmy Butler beating up Magloire.

A lot of facts.... I'm overdosing on facts.

 

[mash_24]

Butler is a career 17 point- 5 rebound a game player. In other words a dime a dozen. Who has whined his way out of every franchise he’s ever played for due to his inflated sense of his worth. Why anyone listens to anything that idiot says is beyond me.

 

[precipitance]

You make a great point. Look how differently butler accepted herro and bam. There's a reason

Jimmy has wore out his welcome at every stop. Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be taking his word on who is soft. As soon as Miami has a rough patch he's gonna Jimmy all over again.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Jimmy has wore out his welcome at every stop. Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be taking his word on who is soft. As soon as Miami has a rough patch he's gonna Jimmy all over again.

I don't think anyone took his word. In fact when this all first happened I remember most of us disputing kat being weak.

Everyone is looking at the years of continuously calling him weak in the media and to his face without kat doing anything. Sadly that's the very definition of weak

 

[BlueLegends]

Butler is a career 17 point- 5 rebound a game player. In other words a dime a dozen. Who has whined his way out of every franchise he’s ever played for due to his inflated sense of his worth. Why anyone listens to anything that idiot says is beyond me.

While it is true that Jimmy’s offensive numbers don’t explode off the stat sheet, players that fill the stat sheets and are completely solid on both ends and in every aspect of the game at his level are not a dime a dozen. Butler actually leads the NBA in steals.

Basketball is so much more than just PPG. There’s efficiency, clutch scoring at the end of the game, offensive rise during playoff or tourney, and other variables. If it’s PPG, then James Harden is in the discussion as one of the greatest player of all times.

 

[UK-Chulo]

If KAT put the same effort into defense as Butler, I'd venture that Jimmy would not have an issue with him.

 

[jameslee32]

Jimmy's won nothing meaningful. The Heat will win without him. Just like last night. Maybe team him up with Chris Paul so they can cry together.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Yes how can anybody dispute the "facts" that KAT is "soft", "out of shape", what he benches, D-Lo is also soft or the fan fiction you wrote about Jimmy Butler beating up Magloire.

A lot of facts.... I'm overdosing on facts.

Well the only NON FACT and I prefaced by saying "In a fantasy situation" was the Bulter / JM part.

So you saying that Towns being soft, Not physically strong, out of shape is not true ???? D. Russell is not soft / 1 way player ????? It is pretty well known not just by fans, but most importantly, players in the NBA know this. It is why they keep abusing KAT. That is not MY opinion, but a FACT that only UK / KAT fan boys try to refute. Sorry you can not admit it, but it is ok to still be a fan of KAT and see his flaws. Do you see players punking Bam or Randle ? Hell no, they know they will not just back down and be scared. They are DAWGS and they will not be intimidated or be pushed around. Real knows real, and they know when they can get in a players head or push them around.

 

[jameslee32]

Nobody’s expecting him to lead them “to titles.” But at least maybe be average once in a while? The only time KAT’s teams have ever done that was when Butler was his teammate.

Racking up stats for perennial last place teams fails to impress after awhile.

Dook fans....

 

[BlueLegends]

Jimmy's won nothing meaningful. The Heat will win without him. Just like last night. Maybe team him up with Chris Paul so they can cry together.

Cough cough, Butler ain’t no real fan of Chris Paul. I’d pick Jimmy up any day at a park pick-up game over just about anyone.

 

[Lord Z]

KAT needs to put something on that pumpkin head of Butler's. No words. First time he starts sh&t he gets rolled up right there on the spot. Slept. Take your suspension as many times as it takes.

 

[precipitance]

I don't think anyone took his word. In fact when this all first happened I remember most of us disputing kat being weak.

Everyone is looking at the years of continuously calling him weak in the media and to his face without kat doing anything. Sadly that's the very definition of weak

He chooses to not handle this situation with violence and that makes him weak? What is weak about being a decent human being?

Jimmy and Karl don't like each other. One of the two act like a man about it, the other wines in the media every chance he gets.

Jimmy acts like a head case. The title of this thread and the only reason anyone is talking about "soft" is Mr Head Case, I run from adversity, Jimmy Butler.

Karl just needs to keep cashing those checks and know he never has to pay rent because he lives in Jimmy's head for free.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

He chooses to not handle this situation with violence and that makes him weak? What is weak about being a decent human being

Doesn't require violence. He can handle it on the court too but he won't. It's bizarre. Kp really did his best work with Kat teaching him how to fight and play inside.

 

[precipitance]

It's bizarre that so many cat fans are reaching to make Jimmy's case for him.

Karl's is so terrible, they gave him a max contract. I guess Jimmy's narrative will not change until Karl gets a better supporting cast. He probably needs to leave Minnesota for that to happen. Who know, maybe Edwards and Russell will help Karl "look" better next year.

 

[BlueLegends]

It's bizarre that so many cat fans are reaching to make Jimmy's case for him.

Karl's is so terrible, they gave him a max contract. I guess Jimmy's narrative will not change until Karl gets a better supporting cast. He probably needs to leave Minnesota for that to happen. Who know, maybe Edwards and Russell will help Karl "look" better next year.

Just keep wondering how this thread would go if it was with Ron Metta World Artest vs Dennis The Worm Rodman. Now that’s a UFC I’d pay for!

Speaking of which, times and views have changed drastically. Two guys enter a cage and beat one another to a pulp with blood everywhere in UFC or MMA it’s a sport. Yet, if two guys on the court fight it’s sheer violence.

 

[LoavulLou]

This basically was the whole point of my thread. When a man calls out another man like Butler did to Kat's face, it doesn't matter where you are that is an immediate fight. You have to punch Butler square in the face the moment that comes out of his mouth. Ain't no more talking after that. Time to roll his *** up.

But then KAT would be out of the game, meaning the game would be over for his team.
Why is the narrative that he is "soft" when you could actually say that he is "above" such punk foolishness? He's not going to risk ejection or a technical over trash talk.
He's letting his play do the talking.

I know it's fun watching "tough guys" but geeze, pretty soon will we expect NBA players to shoot opposing players who "dis" them?

 

[ToniTonyToneDelkDelkDelk]

Well the only NON FACT and I prefaced by saying "In a fantasy situation" was the Bulter / JM part.

So you saying that Towns being soft, Not physically strong, out of shape is not true ???? D. Russell is not soft / 1 way player ????? It is pretty well known not just by fans, but most importantly, players in the NBA know this. It is why they keep abusing KAT. That is not MY opinion, but a FACT that only UK / KAT fan boys try to refute. Sorry you can not admit it, but it is ok to still be a fan of KAT and see his flaws. Do you see players punking Bam or Randle ? Hell no, they know they will not just back down and be scared. They are DAWGS and they will not be intimidated or be pushed around. Real knows real, and they know when they can get in a players head or push them around.

Pretty much everything you said was a clear cut definition of an opinion.

Opinion: If you were in a room alone with KAT and there was threat of legal repercussions, and you called him soft. There’s a high probability he would smack you.

Now neither of us know if that’s true or not. But you most certainly know whether you would say that to his face or not.

Saying KAT is physically weak or out of shape is clearly not true. And both are ridiculous statements.

Who are these players that keep abusing KAT? Honestly... list them.

Jimmy Butler called KAT soft. Did Jimmy Butler touch KAT. Did he threaten him in any way? Nope. He said words. At the end of a game. A game that was virtually over and the Heat were leading And KAT said words right back at him.

The only time a player laid hands on KAT was when KAT swung first.

Narratives run in sports with the players and fans for whatever reason. Mainly when people get comfortable because there is no fear of retaliation. The same reason players try to test Blake Griffin or Dwight Howard. Are either of them soft?

But for some reason you think KAT is scared on a NBA basketball court. Lol... you grow up on Sesame Street?

 

[BlueLegends]

Udonis Haslem 40 years old just got ejected for getting up on Josh Howard and putting his finger straight up in his face for jawing. Haslem just entered the game for the 1st time all season!!!

 

[nssdigitalchumps]

Maybe, maybe not. All we know is what’s happened. NBA guys are not in love with Towns right now. Maybe he needs a change of scenery.

Which guys?

 

[BlueLegends]

 

[BlueLegends]

Butler doesn’t shy away from being open about it, that’s for sure:

 

[Lord Z]

Miami is intimidating teams. They're channeling the old Piston's aura of always playing while simultaneously looking to fight over the slightest provocation. Haslem looked like he was going to rip Dwight's face off if he said one more word.

 

[BlueLegends]

Miami is intimidating teams. They're channeling the old Piston's aura of always playing while simultaneously looking to fight over the slightest provocation. Haslem looked like he was going to rip Dwight's face off if he said one more word.

Really don’t see that at all. I’ve watched every single game this season and last, and last night’s occurrence is literally rare. On top of that, Josh Howard is the biggest punk in the game and his antics draws this kind of response weekly.

The Sixers were getting b!tch slapped and this is how Howard tried to muck it up. And a 40 y/o wasn’t going to tolerate it even if it meant losing whatever minutes he was going to get in his entire career. I actually and totally respect that.

 

[Lord Z]

Really don’t see that at all. I’ve watched every single game this season and last, and last night’s occurrence is literally rare. On top of that, Josh Howard is the biggest punk in the game and his antics draws this kind of response weekly.

The Sixers were getting b!tch slapped and this is how Howard tried to muck it up. And a 40 y/o wasn’t going to tolerate it even if it meant losing whatever minutes he was going to get in his entire career. I actually and totally respect that.

Cool, but it's almost as if you didn't read your own quote from Jimmy Butler where he talks about how much he loves confrontation and says the team thrives off it. If that's not Pistons-esque then OK.

 

[BlueLegends]

Cool, but it's almost as if you didn't read your own quote from Jimmy Butler where he talks about how much he loves confrontation and says the team thrives off it. If that's not Pistons-esque then OK.

No I read it. I did post it for a reason. He’s got a bully mentality. There’s no questioning he’s got that control complex and if he feels crossed in the least, it comes out.

Miami as a team does not play bully ball, but Jimmy is aggressive, not the rip your head off in the lane agitators that Detroit Bad Boys had in guys like Laimbeer and Rodman. Butler isn’t an instigator like Josh Howard is either.

But I can see where if you don’t follow suit in Jimmy’s ways such as playing aggressively on D or putting in the work, or playing some style of individual fill up your own personal stat sheet, he’s going to be abrasive and vocal. Just my opinion.

I just think he’s on a Heat team filled with players that try fit the bill of a culture of team first and try not to piss of Butler with their play, lmao. Just me, I like Butler, he is who he is. Not trying to defend him in the least.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

Id love to have seen Butler pull that **** with Magliore.

 

[Flipflopsandsocks]

That is exactly right. Butler tried to pull something out of KAT, and Wiggins, that so far doesn’t appear to be there. The numbers are there, the night to night impact isn’t.

Wait, you're the dude who claims Lonzo Ball isn't a bust yet you're shitting on KAT? Too funny.

 

[Flipflopsandsocks]

Jimmy Butler goes 4-22 in game one vs the Bucks so naturally they're starting to call Bam soft now.

 

[LEDGENDARY]

Butler's trash! There's a reason his own momma didn't even want to **** to do with his ***.