It’s more than obvious you either didn’t read or completely failed to comprehend a single word the OP posted.
The Juzang fallacy
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Maybe he realized that Cal plays certain guys regradless and he knew that the next crop coming would get the same treatment. He was right.
The problem was not Quickley, the problem was he knew the next class would get to play no matter what. He knew and he was right.
Its way easier to cure homesickness by making bank for a pro team in any city, USA than it is to stay in college far from home. I bet being Vietnamese in a town without a very big Vietnamese community played a factor, too.
Matthews turned out pretty good at Michigan.
Also a kid named Brad Calipari left his momma to go play somewhere else even though Cal said repeatedly that he was the best shooter on the team.
There are others.
I disagree with this as I don’t think if we had Lebron James on the bench he would have gotten askews, Boston’s or Clark’s minutes (when healthy)
look at the per 40 stats for Johnny and Allen:
Per 40
Allen
15.4 points
4.6 reb
.9 assists
1.1 steals
.9 blocks
Juzang
19.1 points
5.2 reb
2.2 assists
.9 steals
.5 blocks
the numbers are not so different thus suggesting if Allen and JJ were basically the same player this year except one got way more minutes. I imagine UCLA had a point guard as well which does influence his points a little bit as opposed to UK who had no point guard or an offense.
as many have pointed out JJ prob left because Boston and Clark are Cal’s guys and we all know Cal’s guys get a long leash and anyone else gets one mistake and out.
You left out “after he was basically forced to play him”. Rode that wave for a few games before banishing Allen back to the bench where he wanted him.
You probably hit the nail on the head. Just awful player evaluations by the coaching staff. Cal is a shell of his former self at the moment. Things have changed, and he hasn't adapted to ****.
Guess noone watched the sec tournament game?
Allen went through a rough stretch where he couldn't buy a shot and Boston was hot. Allen didn't deserve to play more.
Juzang would've been a key piece. He already was. He had alot of minutes towards the end of last season
I was about to blast this comment, then saw who posted it.
Nice work, BBI.
You got me for a minute.
You allow shooters to keep shooting to shoot out of a slump. He sure as hell allowed Boston to keep chucking brick after brick. Hell, Boston couldn’t even make layups most of the time.
Boston was hot?! I’m not sure that’s what I would call it. I mean he finally hit some shots over a period of a few games. He did get hot one game and hit six 3s. The next game he scored 0 points.
What about the SECT game? Why wasn’t Allen getting more PT in the several games leading up to the tournament? That’s the question. Because he was in a shooting slump? Doesn’t make sense.
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The bottom line is that Juzang is better off at UCLA. The kid may go to the Final Four and the be the star of his team. The campus is beautiful and women are smokin' hot there. Cal's system was not good for Juzang at all. Why should he have to fight for playing time and get scraps cause of the next hot 5* recruit when he can be the star and shine in March Madness?
Yeah, someone already had called out SKJ and Matthews.
Wynard doesn't count, he was effectively kicked off the team.
No one has left that I didn't think wouldn't.
I also said I was giving Cal next season to right the ship.
In the long run it will be tough for me to ever be miserable about it because there is nothing you or I can do about it. I will always be supportive of UK.
He took a gun to a party on or off campus...something like that. Or was with a guy who had one...I can't remember.
More or less he landed in Cal's dog house.
. Way to go Cal and pull out all the stops by finally reinserting your best shooter for what turned out to be the last game of the season. Good lord, hilarious that you bring that up. Boston had a 2-3 good game stretch and that was it. Allen’s bad shooting stretch he had was when he was seeing about 4 minutes a game. Boston’s least minutes played in any game this year was pretty much equal to the most minutes allen played in a single game this year that didn’t include an overtime. There simply is zero defense of cal playing Boston as much as he did in favor of Allen but you keep giving it your all.
This board definitely subscribes to the flavor of the month. When Kentucky is winning and the board is happy with Cal, transfers are all pussies that aren't willing to compete with incoming freshmen for minutes. After a bad year and fans are upset with Cal, all transfers leave because Cal recruited over them. No consistency whatsoever. If Juzang would have stayed, he probably would've gotten more minutes this year given the lack of success by our freshman. But, we won't know, because he chose to leave and not compete against those freshman. I know, the agenda driven will say that Cal wouldn't have given him a shot, but that is nonsense. Players earn playing time in practice, and if Juzang is as good as people think he is, he would have earned minutes.
no, that's not based on any evidence we see. If Juzang wasn't a star prospect in Cal's eyes, he wouldn't have got any run.
Cal would have told everyone the same thing regardless, I have to let these kids get their shots in, I'm not going to take a players heart..
of course he won't be making eye contact with Juzang or Allen when he says that.
We just had a historically bad season at UK and Cal refused to deviate from his plan until it was all over but the shouting.
actually there were more than a handful of posters about 3/4 of the way into the season that were already raising the next to transfer alert on him. He fit a pattern of other players in the past and future players unless Cal makes changes to his approach that will or did transfer out.
Juzang was a 5-star that Cal talked into reclassing. Yes, Cal wanted him to stay!
Matt Jones always has an answer, not the right one but always has an answer. Take Allen this year, I did not want him to start, I just wanted him to get minutes when it counted and in games where he should have played. Teams like Ole Miss and Florida who zoned the Cats Allen should have seen around 15 minutes + or-, but sees almost none, then Cal plays him against a team that played mostly man to man???????? Why??
He shot plenty. I bet he averaged the most shots per minute of anyone on the team.
At this point in his career, if he isn't hitting his shots he doesn't add much.
Juzang was the opposite. He was a scrappy kid who had a nose for the ball and had a knack for hitting shots. With an off-season of development, he improved. He will continue to improve. He would not struggle for PT at UK.
There simply is zero defense of cal playing Boston as much as he did in favor of Allen but you keep giving it your all.
Boston should've played way fewer minutes early, but he came on late. Allen had a few good games and that's it. If he isn't hitting his shots, he adds nothing.
Wrong. That simply isn’t true. What did Boston bring, other than being a black hole on offense? Seriously, what?
Boston came on late?! Really?! When was that exactly?! You mean like a two or three game stretch. Boston had a few good games and got All American type minutes.
I think all you Allen detractors are gonna be in for a big surprise once this kid gets in tune with the speed of the college game. Can’t wait to serve y’all some crow.Wee bit of difference in Juzang & Allen
I'm not sure where the disconnect is, but I didn't say boston played well. Other than the stretch of about 3 weeks, he was awful. Bad news is, other than a few games, allen was awful too.
The disconnect is that you’re saying Boston deserved the minutes he got.
I didn't say that. Unfortunately mintz was the only solid backcourt option we had. None of the other three brought much to the table unless they were on (rare for any of them).
I understand Boston's minutes the first half of the season. For the team to do anything significant, he had to be great. After it was obvious that wasn't going to happen, minutes should've been split 3 ways between boston askew and Allen; with mintz at point.
I think you're right about Allen. Of course, he might not reach the level I think he can, but I think the most important ingredients are there. Starting with the fact he has a high level scorer skillset. He's not just a long-distance shooter, he shoots an accurate ball from anywhere on the floor. In high school he showed an innate knack (feel or whatever you want to call it) for judging the basket that's not very common. Add in his length and I think now you just need to see the intangibles.
Just like Quickley, Allen has to learn to get his shot off quicker. This is what Calipari was trying to instill this season with Allen, and I think a lot of fans didn't understand it. This developed ability to get your shots off quicker (and yet with greater focus and accuracy) is, I think, a main reason upperclassmen are so much better shooters than freshmen. I don't know anything about Allen's commitment and drive to be better. If he has that - especially if he has a good basketball IQ - I think UK will have a heck of SF on its hands in the near future. I'll be disappointed and feel like he missed an opportunity, if Allen ends up being just a spot up shooter.
Now this I can agree with. It’s about spot on.