G League is now AAA

[Doc4UK!]

With the announcement of the G League tournament in the Orlando bubble, this throws the g league into direct competition with the NCAA , ie both have their own versions of March Madness. Seems as if the G League is now AAA and NCAA is AA for the NBA.

BTW the team of high school MCDonalds AA who by passed college is competing in this tournament and the games will be well watched on ESPN. Saw at least five of our former players participating. Most of the players involved are well known to the typical college b ball fan! I am afraid college basketball will continue to decline in quality as the g league grows in popularity. The players union is certainly calling the shots .

Wishful thinking but we can all hope that the NCAA and NBA someday agree on the type of strategy used for baseball

 

[RunninRichie]

lmfao. Ralph Dalton doesn’t think the minor league system the gleauge is running will last long

 

[Lempface]

I wouldn't mind the best players going straight to NBA, competition would still be good in the NCAA even without them. The issue with the current NCAA product is not the quality of the players as much as the rules and the way they are enforced by the refs. The selective enforcement of those rules also makes the game hard to take seriously.

 

[NavyCat88]

NBA G league is the best thing that could happen to CBB. Right now the product is an unwatchable overhyped version of AAU ball.

Let's put the "student" back in college student/athlete and give good players the time and opportunity to get a good education AND develop their game for a possible NBA future.

Let's let the the nba-aspirant kids who don't want to actually go to college move straight to a paid status under the NBA umbrella.

NCAA ball will improve with four-year participants playing a better brand of BB, and the NBA can get nearly immediate access to the next big thing in sneakers.

Good riddance to OAD, 8-month wonders!

GBB!

 

[ArtSmass]

This league is a PERFECT landing place for a certain coach who thinks AAU success is the main trait to want, wants to end generational poverty, and is 100% about his success being putting guys into the NBA.

Doubt they even play the national anthem before G-League games so that's not even a potential issue.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

NBA G league is the best thing that could happen to CBB. Right now the product is an unwatchable overhyped version of AAU ball.

Let's put the "student" back in college student/athlete and give good players the time and opportunity to get a good education AND develop their game for a possible NBA future.

Let's let the the nba-aspirant kids who don't want to actually go to college move straight to a paid status under the NBA umbrella.

NCAA ball will improve with four-year participants playing a better brand of BB, and the NBA can get nearly immediate access to the next big thing in sneakers.

Good riddance to OAD, 8-month wonders!

GBB!

why are some words bolded?

 

[NavyCat88]

why are some words bolded?

Emphasis

 

[H00SIER-Cat]

I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but would having a team of actual serious students be the end of the world? Our team of college students plays against another team of college students. I know the level of play would drop off a great deal. And yes this would make every P5 team at best a little better than a good mid major team. Get back to my school/local team vs. your school/local team. I remember an ESPN talking head saying that we are the only country that has billion dollar amateur sports leagues.

Now that I think of it, the TV dollars would dry up. There's my answer.

 

[NavyCat88]

I don't think it will impact NCAA BB money.

Why? I don't think you'll have fans identify with a AAA NBA G-league teams to a greater extent than they do with MLB AAA. For CBB, I suspect fans will always identify more readily with their favorite college in America as they do with CFB.

GBB!

 

[TigerMoving]

This will get about 1% the viewers as the NCAA Tournament. Who in the world cares if the Wichita Swamprats are going for the G-league title?

 

[KyFaninNC]

Seems to me like a g league coaching position would be perfect for Cal.

 

[KyFaninNC]

This will get about 1% the viewers as the NCAA Tournament. Who in the world cares if the Wichita Swamprats are going for the G-league title?

I dont even watch the Woke, China NBA. I sure as hell won’t watch that crap.

 

[ukupay1]

Only people watching gleague are friends and family...

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Someone somewhere high up in the NBA front offices hated his college experience or something...

 

[K_TIME]

NBA G league is the best thing that could happen to CBB. Right now the product is an unwatchable overhyped version of AAU ball.

Let's put the "student" back in college student/athlete and give good players the time and opportunity to get a good education AND develop their game for a possible NBA future.

Let's let the the nba-aspirant kids who don't want to actually go to college move straight to a paid status under the NBA umbrella.

NCAA ball will improve with four-year participants playing a better brand of BB, and the NBA can get nearly immediate access to the next big thing in sneakers.

Good riddance to OAD, 8-month wonders!

GBB!

I would have not had this same opinion 10 years ago....but after seeing what is happening to the college product....this would actually be the best move to preserve college ball and let guys who don't want an education move on to the NBA as fast as they can.

I think a by product is NBA could diminish a bit if they go back to high draft picks on HS kids and then you go back to kids like BJ Boston, Scottie Miller, Cole Anthony, Jaden McDaniels, Nassir Little, Trevon Duval, Skal, Harry Giles, etc.....go back to being picked in lottery and creating a system of same franchises always sucking and back to a few markets that get all the players....maybe let them have what they want to have and sort of "eat their own".

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I would have not had this same opinion 10 years ago....but after seeing what is happening to the college product....this would actually be the best move to preserve college ball and let guys who don't want an education move on to the NBA as fast as they can.

I think a by product is NBA could diminish a bit if they go back to high draft picks on HS kids and then you go back to kids like BJ Boston, Scottie Miller, Cole Anthony, Jaden McDaniels, Nassir Little, Trevon Duval, Skal, Harry Giles, etc.....go back to being picked in lottery and creating a system of same franchises always sucking and back to a few markets that get all the players....maybe let them have what they want to have and sort of "eat their own".

Agreed. Good, **** em. They're so hellbent on maximizing a future star in the NBA, that it's bleeding the college game out. And I'm a fan of the NBA. But at this point, let them have all the HS seniors they want. Maybe they need to get a taste of that "straight to HS" style again in hopes it brings them back to the table.

But I doubt they will. Its in their best interest to give HS players just one year of college to evaluate them at a level of basketball that's closest in talent to the NBA. But not 2 or 3 college years. 1 year is jussssst enough to get most draft picks right and avoid any colossal screw ups.

 

[gamecockcat]

I'm all for HS kids going straight to NBA/GL if they can. However, like baseball, if a kid commits to a college team, he should stay a minimum of 3 years. Sure, that means the best HS kids never play CBB. But, it also means that some late-developing kids are great CBB players by their 3rd year and perhaps that evens the quality drain out.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I'm all for HS kids going straight to NBA/GL if they can. However, like baseball, if a kid commits to a college team, he should stay a minimum of 3 years. Sure, that means the best HS kids never play CBB. But, it also means that some late-developing kids are great CBB players by their 3rd year and perhaps that evens the quality drain out.

The problem is there's nothing college ball can do to prevent the kids from leaving after a year. The NBA and the Players Union would need to agree on something. It's their rule to change.

Its literally the NBA handcuffing the college game to what is best for "them", which in turn, is what's worst for the college game.

The only thing I can see happening that would help is if the NBA just goes back to taking kids at 18 instead of 19. Thats our play here. Just let it happen, let the NBA take the top15 guys and then there's more multi-year talent in college. A guy like Hagans or IQ that want to leave after their 1st or 2nd years have less of an option, because now the NBA just spent 15 of it's 60 picks on HS players. It would help keep rosters more intact.

 

[Blueaz]

NBA G league is the best thing that could happen to CBB. Right now the product is an unwatchable overhyped version of AAU ball.

Let's put the "student" back in college student/athlete and give good players the time and opportunity to get a good education AND develop their game for a possible NBA future.

Let's let the the nba-aspirant kids who don't want to actually go to college move straight to a paid status under the NBA umbrella.

NCAA ball will improve with four-year participants playing a better brand of BB, and the NBA can get nearly immediate access to the next big thing in sneakers.

Good riddance to OAD, 8-month wonders!

GBB!

why is OAD going away? just because they can go straight from HS...doesn't mean all will. UNLESS, NCAA and NBA work together, similar to baseball, it will become worse

 

[Blueaz]

The problem is there's nothing college ball can do to prevent the kids from leaving after a year. The NBA and the Players Union would need to agree on something. It's their rule to change.

Its literally the NBA handcuffing the college game to what is best for "them", which in turn, is what's worst for the college game.

The only thing I can see happening that would help is if the NBA just goes back to taking kids at 18 instead of 19. Thats our play here. Just let it happen, let the NBA take the top15 guys and then there's more multi-year talent in college. A guy like Hagans or IQ that want to leave after their 1st or 2nd years have less of an option, because now the NBA just spent 15 of it's 60 picks on HS players. It would help keep rosters more intact.

it seems like the NCAA never tried to work with the NBA

 

[Blueaz]

I would have not had this same opinion 10 years ago....but after seeing what is happening to the college product....this would actually be the best move to preserve college ball and let guys who don't want an education move on to the NBA as fast as they can.

I think a by product is NBA could diminish a bit if they go back to high draft picks on HS kids and then you go back to kids like BJ Boston, Scottie Miller, Cole Anthony, Jaden McDaniels, Nassir Little, Trevon Duval, Skal, Harry Giles, etc.....go back to being picked in lottery and creating a system of same franchises always sucking and back to a few markets that get all the players....maybe let them have what they want to have and sort of "eat their own".

yep
NBA will get "watered" down and NCAA will still struggle... it's a complete shitshow

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I still think part of Boston's problem is Cal and this team being ****..

But imagine an NBA team taking him 7th lol. It would be the Kings, too lmao.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

it seems like the NCAA never tried to work with the NBA

Yeah IDK about the inner workings. Idk if there's anything college can do. Or maybe they didn't do enough?

I've just always been surprised that the NBA and the Players Union would be so against 2AD or 3AD rule. NFL and MLB do it. NHL, I think? There's just so many people in the NBA organization that got their start in college basketball, you'd think they'd be able to work to a better solution.

 

[Blueaz]

Yeah IDK about the inner workings. Idk if there's anything college can do. Or maybe they didn't do enough?

I've just always been surprised that the NBA and the Players Union would be so against 2AD or 3AD rule. NFL and MLB do it. NHL, I think? There's just so many people in the NBA organization that got their start in college basketball, you'd think they'd be able to work to a better solution.

IIRC it has to do with veteran players being able to make more $$, because once vetted they are in league longer.
The more guys drafted on potential, the more misses...hence the good/decent vets, play longer and thus more $$$$.
again....eventually watering down the league...

 

[CB3UK]

I welcome it.

 

[Catluv]

I doubt I will watch a single game of the G league. It will get some tv money but I will be surprised if it goes over. How many people watch the AAA baseball playoffs?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

IIRC it has to do with veteran players being able to make more $$, because once vetted they are in league longer.
The more guys drafted on potential, the more misses...hence the good/decent vets, play longer and thus more $$$$.
again....eventually watering down the league...

Wow. What a BS reason if thats true. I do recall this being a Player's decision also. Its not just the 30 team offices who want 1AD, if at all.

 

[cats#1again]

NBA G league is the best thing that could happen to CBB. Right now the product is an unwatchable overhyped version of AAU ball.

Let's put the "student" back in college student/athlete and give good players the time and opportunity to get a good education AND develop their game for a possible NBA future.

Let's let the the nba-aspirant kids who don't want to actually go to college move straight to a paid status under the NBA umbrella.

NCAA ball will improve with four-year participants playing a better brand of BB, and the NBA can get nearly immediate access to the next big thing in sneakers.

Good riddance to OAD, 8-month wonders!

GBB!

All kids want to play in the nba friend. The faster they can get paid the better it is. If you out a 3 year rule in you would have atleast 60-70 kids going straight to g league

 

[LineSkiCat14]

All kids want to play in the nba friend. The faster they can get paid the better it is. If you out a 3 year rule in you would have atleast 60-70 kids going straight to g league

I dont think that many. The G-league rosters are no joke. Those aren't rosters a sub25 recruit can walk onto. They're grown men, most of which, were great college players at one point.

There just isn't enough places to go, strictly speaking of the US. There's only 60 spots in the draft and only so many G-league rosters.

If you're a sub 25 recruit, you have almost no other option than to go to college.

 

[bthaunert]

I remember G League discussions on here a few years back. Decided to go back and take a look and I actually think I might have been right once on this board for a change. Here is a post I made in April of 2018 when talking about RJ Barrett and posters saying a player like him would never go to the G League:

"I think he is the model, that's the thing. He is eligible right now to be drafted in the G League out of high school. He is not eligible to be drafted into the NBA out of high school. If the OAD rule stays, I think guys will begin to follow in the footsteps of Darius Bazley, who is already going this route."

It's going to continue to increase.

 

[cats#1again]

I dont think that many. The G-league rosters are no joke. Those aren't rosters a sub25 recruit can walk onto. They're grown men, most of which, were great college players at one point.

There just isn't enough places to go, strictly speaking of the US. There's only 60 spots in the draft and only so many G-league rosters.

If you're a sub 25 recruit, you have almost no other option than to go to college.

They aren't right now. Who's to say the market wouldn't get bigger and more landing spots. If you tell today's kids they have zero option of going pro for 3 years, you have alot of kids who believe they will be ready in less time than that. Idk what the answer is , but I don't believe 3 year rule is it

 

[LineSkiCat14]

They aren't right now. Who's to say the market wouldn't get bigger and more landing spots. If you tell today's kids they have zero option of going pro for 3 years, you have alot of kids who believe they will be ready in less time than that. Idk what the answer is , but I don't believe 3 year rule is it

We'll see. I don't see how the G-League can expand much further. It's not generating any substantial revenue. What, we're just going to create another 8-10 teams? Or another development "team" to work on NBA-style practices? We also don't know if the G-league really is the best path for every player. Some of these guys will get lost in the G-league and might never find themselves on an NBA roster. You also have, what appears to be the change to allow college athletes to prosper off their name and image.

I'm not worried about the G-League yet. I'd like a 2AD rule.

 

[Blueaz]

Wow. What a BS reason if thats true. I do recall this being a Player's decision also. Its not just the 30 team offices who want 1AD, if at all.

I'm pretty darn sure the player's union is the pusher here.
Sure enough that I would bet a 100.00 on it...but no more than that...

When I have time later, I think I may research a bit

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I'm pretty darn sure the player's union is the pusher here.
Sure enough that I would bet a 100.00 on it...but no more than that...

When I have time later, I think I may research a bit

Figured I needed to at least do SOME of the work:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ssions-stalled-over-one-key-issue-per-report/

It appears, however, that players entering the NBA straight out of high school is much farther off than we may have thought. On "The Woj Pod," ESPN reporter Adrian Wojnarowski explained why the talks on eliminating the one-and-done rule have come to a standstill:

A lot of us believed a year ago, 18 months ago, that the NBA and the player's association would come to an agreement on ending the one-and-done -- they would set a date in the future, but we thought it would be 2022, 2023 when high school players would be able to go back in the draft. That has not happened. It is not on the horizon, largely because the union and the league, as part of letting the high school players back into the draft, the league has wanted players to have to make available their physicals and medical evaluations to all teams ... The union, backed very hard by the agents, had said, 'That's not something we're gonna give in on. We're not going to give you full access medically. That's the one advantage that we feel we have as agents and players to control the process.'
That's been the major sticking point for a couple of years now. And there's a real strong possibility that the one-and-done conversation isn't picked up again until the next collective bargaining agreement in 2025.

Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress, who joined Wojnarowski on the podcast, agreed that the conversation is "stalled" at the moment, adding that the motivation to end the one-and-done rule isn't necessarily there for many league executives:

The appetite among NBA teams for eliminating this rule, I'm not sure exactly if it's there right now. Talking to GMs and executives, I think that they've made it clear to their owners that they aren't in any rush whatsoever right now to eliminate one-and-done. They like the way that things are set up right now with players going to college for a year, or going to Australia or now the G League.

 

[That's Nice]

I still think part of Boston's problem is Cal and this team being ****..

But imagine an NBA team taking him 7th lol. It would be the Kings, too lmao.

Once he gets in the NBA he will get good coaching and not surprisingly become the player he could have been here.

 

[Blueaz]

Wow. What a BS reason if thats true. I do recall this being a Player's decision also. Its not just the 30 team offices who want 1AD, if at all.

from 2012
union officials argued that the age requirement affected prospects financially because it limits their potential to acquire multiple maximum contracts during their careers --....thus less union money
from 2016
The current “one and done” rule allowing college players to declare for the NBA Draft once they’ve completed a year of college or have been out of high school for a year, will remain in place. The league has sought to increase the age limit to 20; the union has resisted that and would prefer no limit...The union sought a so-called “zero and two” compromise that would allow high schoolers in the NBA Draft but keep college players from declaring until after their sophomore season in college.

Also, the more money a player makes, the more money into the union and the more retirement benefits that are available...that was another veteran reason, see first reason

in 2016 mid level exception increased 45%...more midlevel players, more money in the union

 

[Yardeth]

Seems to me like a g league coaching position would be perfect for Cal.

Only with the UK Buyout. Memphis G-League team in Southaven, attracts maybe 100 people. The minor league hockey team attracts 5X as many people.

 

[AirRaid08]

I dont think that many. The G-league rosters are no joke. Those aren't rosters a sub25 recruit can walk onto. They're grown men, most of which, were great college players at one point.

There just isn't enough places to go, strictly speaking of the US. There's only 60 spots in the draft and only so many G-league rosters.

If you're a sub 25 recruit, you have almost no other option than to go to college.

You are spot on.....

How many players are on an NBA G League roster?

There are a minimum of 10 players on rosters, not including a pair of two-way players allowed per NBA team. A team’s active roster may expand to up to 13 players if its parent club assigns players from the NBA roster.

With 29 teams that is anywhere from 290-377 players. Like you said, these are not all kids but many grown men. many were good-great college players so thinking it will ruin college baskeball is not really accurate.

But, if the college game could get back down to a handful of no doubt one and dones and mostly 3-4 year players, I think by maturity the college game gets better, and back to what it was.

 

[bucsrule8872]

99% of the U.S. population has no idea what the G-League is.

99% of the people who do know what the G-League is still couldn’t name a single G-League team.

So who is going to watch this G-League tourney?

 

[yoshukai]

Seems to me like a g league coaching position would be perfect for Cal.

Only thing is , dont they want coaches that run something similar to modern basketball ?